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Bills Bonus or Bogus

So, there I was, scanning the AM band, through IBOC and computer hash and all sorts of flotsam, looking for a LOCAL sports talk show that would give me a guage of fans' opinions on Dick Jauron being retained as head coach of the Buffalo Bills after a third consecutive 7-9 season. Nothin'! Zero. Crank. Zip. Nimineetz. Bubkes!

WGR: Sabres losing (again) to the Capitals. Not much they could do about that.

Certainly Brad Riter would have an opinion or two on WECK. Nupe. Nothin' doin'. WECK was running FSR... er, hip talk for Fox Sports Radio.

Jeez... I have to go to Two Bills Drive to read what fans are saying. I'll bet 97 Rock is thrilled with Wilson's decision. Doubt the Bills will sell out more than three or four games next season which means the remainder will be radio-only and blacked out on local TV. WGR has to love Wilson's decision too; they get a free pass to T-off on the Bills, even as the Sabres are sucking bilge water. Yup. Sports mediocrity is a sure win-win for radio.
 
I somewhat agree with 9's point about 97 Rock and the Bills but if they are really bad next year people might not want to even listen to Murph describing how Jauron botched another decision. I'm usually an optimist when it comes to the Bills but I could see a horrendous season coming with poor ticket sales and an excuse to move to wherever. :(
 
The Bills have had 4 consecutive losing seasons and still have managed to sell out at the Ralph. It will take a Detroit Lions type season before ticket sales are affected which could happen.
 
I hope you're right qman. I just wonder with the current economy how long the fans will support a loser. Next year's schedule looks brutal. IF the Bills were going to make the playoffs this decade, 2008 would've been the year to do it. Between the Sabres and Bills I don't even want to listen to WGR these days. Too depressing.
 
My beef with WGR's local programming is that all they talk about are the Bills and the Sabres. They even ignore their minor league and peripheral sports teams like the Bisons and the Bandits. Mike Schopp even admitted on-air that he doesn't follow the NBA which happens to be one of the more popular topics in sports talk radio. Now, on the other hand, John DiTullio over at WHTK talks about everything and let's his listeners talk about anything.
 
I used to like Schopp when he did sports on WHAM and then when he was on WNSA. Now I feel that depending on the day he can be arrogant and condescending so much that I'll turn off the station. Times are tough when Bulldog comes across as the voice of reason on that show. You're right about how they won't go beyond the Bills and Sabres. Maybe that will be a New Year's resolution for them! ;)
 
WNSA. Now that was a great station. I was able to get that here in Rochester around the clock. Wonder what Zig is up to?
 
qman said:
My beef with WGR's local programming is that all they talk about are the Bills and the Sabres. They even ignore their minor league and peripheral sports teams like the Bisons and the Bandits. Mike Schopp even admitted on-air that he doesn't follow the NBA which happens to be one of the more popular topics in sports talk radio. Now, on the other hand, John DiTullio over at WHTK talks about everything and let's his listeners talk about anything.

The NBA might be a hit on sports talk radio in other cities. I hate to make generalizations. But I have to say Buffalo sports fans just don't care about the NBA. We don't have a team. The TV ratings prove this. NBA games in Buffalo generate an extremely small audience compared to the rest of the nation. If Schopp started talking NBA, I'd change the station. It's just the reality in Buffalo. And as much as I love the Bisons, what is there to say about a minor league baseball team? The same holds true for the Bandits. I even forgot they won a championship this past year until I read today's year in review in the Buffalo News sports section. The Bandits are great entertainment for fans attending the game. I'm glad we have them. But what do you say about them on a sports talk show. The Bills and Sabres rule here. That's why WGR's ratings rise in the Fall and Spring and plunge after the Sabres season ends. A sports talk station wouldn't survive in Buffalo without the Bills and Sabres.
 
We'll never know if there's any interest in sports outside of the Bills and Sabres as long as there's only one sports station in town. As far as WNSA is concerned, I like both Schopp and Howard Simon a lot more when they were doing "Sports Talk for Smart People". You have to assume that their current approach is at the behest of the program director.

As far as Howard Simon is concerned, he's constantly interrupted and/or cut off by Jeremy White, who makes me reach for the button every time he opens his mouth. There was a time that I listened to "Sports Radio 55" quite a bit. Now, it's a rare choice because I find so little of interest, even during the dayparts that are live and local.
 
There is so much you can say about the Bills and Sabres on a four hour talk show before it becomes redundant. As far as the NBA is concerned, Rochester had a franchise back in the '50s and it failed despite winning one championship. Basketball doesn't draw well here, yet you turn on local sports talk radio and that's all anyone talks about.
 
Old College Try

One might think that college sports could draw some interest in the Buffalo market, home of the two largest units of the SUNY system, as well as the home of a once-vibrant "Little 3" private school rivalry. Is this a chicken-and-egg thing? Might interest increase if there was some local discussion? After all, what's GR-55 got to lose? They're the only sports game in town.

UB has made some huge strides, first in basketball, and now in football. Maybe WECK would be smart to cash in on their existing association, and feature more college sports. In fact, WECK and WLVL offer a simulcast that covers a large area of WNY, both day and night. Sounds tailor-made for basketball coverage - and maybe for more than UB. At the very least, building up UB's opponents makes their exploits sound mightier.
 
"I'm usually an optimist when it comes to the Bills but I could see a horrendous season coming with poor ticket sales and an excuse to move to wherever."

The one thing that Western NY sports fans can breathe a little easier about, is the prospect of relocation of the Bills franchise. The Bills make a tidy profit and pack the house most games as things now stand. They'd have to find a better venue than the one that already puts them in the upper tier of profitability among NFL franchises as things now stand...or else a move would be positively nuts.

Where could they possibly go, that would give them extra profit over the boatloads of cash they already clear?

LA is out, they're probably a decade or more away from having a suitable stadium (the Coliseum and Rose Bowl have no luxury boxes to sell, Anaheim's too far away from the market center, too close to San Diego and reconfigured for baseball only since the Rams left a decade and a half ago). Toronto's Rogers Centre is 25,000 seats and 50 luxury boxes short of matching the Ralph for revenue potential, and both the exhibition game and the regular season Bills-Dolphins matchup weren't the draws they expected, so that's not looking like a very viable option any more. Any other Canadian city? They like the CFL but interest in the south-of-the-border product in Canada is about on a level with interest in the NHL in the Deep South...it's a secondary sport to them. San Antonio? The Alamo Dome's 30,000 seats short of the Ralph's capacity, really better suited to basketball (which it has) and baseball, and no new football-specific stadium's on the horizon there. Columbus, Ohio? Not that much bigger than Buffalo and the place is so college football-oriented a pro team would play second fiddle (and does Ohio State's stadium even have luxury boxes?). Mexico City? Good for an occasional exhibition game but could you generate a full-season audience? Doubtful.

All the other markets that could support a team already have one, the Bay Area and the greater New York area already have two.

The one place you could build a revenue base for another team, will never get one. It's the greater New York City area together with Long Island, where you could park a third team in Queens simply by opting not to demolish Shea Stadium (the former home of the Jets), which held a good 65,000+ for football back in the day, and retrofitting a few more skyboxes in the place. But the Giants and the Jets will never permit a third team in the tri-state area, so forget that idea.

The NFL is really at maximum capacity now, with no place to accept an expansion team or a relocated team without a $500 million to $1 billion stadium project which will take the better part of a decade to take shape even in an economy much better than this one. And it's going to be a few years before the economy is strong enough to start having that kind of conversation again anyway.

So people who think the Bills will be on the move should ask themselves first, where the hell could they possibly go that would even be as good a market as the one where they now play, let alone a better and more lucrative one?

The answer is, noplace.

I think the radio stations know that (although they won't say it because they need an issue to chew on in the off-season). Can't understand why they spend so much airtime talking about it, instead of analyzing the facts and telling people to relax. Guess it's just a lack of other things to talk about...
 
I'm not sure that the Bills are "in the upper tier of profitability among NFL franchises". For ticket sales, yes. For luxury boxes, nope. For additional income from radio, TV, and merchandise, no again. One of the big hurdles will be the next agreement with players. Players want even MORE money. Some owners - Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, and other owners in markets that generate a LOT more peripheral money want the right to use that cash to buy a championship by blowing up the salary cap, or including peripheral revenue in the cap. Buffalo can't compete with the amount of money they generate, and would never be able to compete under those circumstances. Buffalo already has trouble competing for non-cap items like coaches and facilities. Players here don't have the opportunity for outside (non-cap) income that they have in major media markets. That makes a huge difference in attracting free agents.

If the current agreement remains substantially in place, Buffalo may be able be competitive. If not, the days of the franchise in Buffalo are numbered. Our best hope is that the majority of owners believe that they're closer to Buffalo's situation than they are to Dallas, DC, or NY.

Bob has done a pretty astute analysis of the opportunities for movement. The only caveat I would add is that the NFL seems to lean toward sun belt locales, and follows population shifts pretty closely. That hasn't always worked out, but places like the Oklahoma City metro - which grew 13% in the '90s and is now substantially bigger than metro Buffalo - want the validation that an NFL team brings.

The bottom line is that the Bills, and the rest of the NFL, are going to try and extract even more money from taxpayers. In order to do that, panic at the prospective loss of the team is necessary - especially during tough economic times. We already know that the state isn't going to be much help, since Wall Street is the source of the problem, not the solution. That means that the locals will be asked to pony up even more money, and that's a tough sell under any circumstances. Pushing the panic button plays right into the Bills hands.
 
"If the current agreement remains substantially in place, Buffalo may be able be competitive. If not, the days of the franchise in Buffalo are numbered. Our best hope is that the majority of owners believe that they're closer to Buffalo's situation than they are to Dallas, DC, or NY."

Even the biggest markets no longer have bottomless wallets in the economy we'll be living in for the next few years. I think the players know that as well. You'll see the CBA between the NFL and NFLPA extended for a long time to come, well before it expires. Otherwise the NFLPA may find itself on the bad end of a strike or lockout and facing a retrenchment like the NHL players took, when they could have had a better deal by taking what they were given in the spring of 2004.

This will be, over the next couple of years, the topic A of stations like WGR or WHTK. The days of bounty are over. Other sports, even those like baseball that don't have a formal salary cap, have gotten real and stopped throwing unlimited money around. Even the Yankees have trimmed their payroll by more than 5% this year over last, simply by being more careful about who gets paid top dollar and who gets cut loose and sent packing.

You will also see superstar players in many markets in all the team sports (though none in Buffalo, because there haven't been any superstars on the Bills roster over the past ten years) taking ownership shares in their franchises rather than the maximum possible cash salary. Mario Lemieux's relationship with the Penguins, which saw him become the team's largest stockholder and top front office manager in order to keep the franchise solvent, will become common rather than a unique exception. We'll see this also become a growing trend and a growing topic of discussion on sports radio over the next few years of slow economic recovery.
 
You will also see superstar players in many markets in all the team sports (though none in Buffalo, because there haven't been any superstars on the Bills roster over the past ten years) taking ownership shares in their franchises rather than the maximum possible cash salary

Bob1370 is on to something here. It is not in a major sports franchise owner's best interest to field a championship team. Some do, perhaps out of ego, but all are in it for the money. And it's lots of money.

You might enjoy reading this article from the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/playmagazine/02play-thebusiness.html
 
Following three successive (although hardly successful) 7 and 9 seasons, it appears RCW doesn't really give a fig about the Bills winning a Superbowl in his lifetime. Retaining Dick Jauron as head coach for another year only reinforces this hypothesis.

The Bills are a cash cow and a considerable sum of taxpayer money is thrown at the club in order to maintain the alledged presitige and benefit that a community derives as a result of having an NFL football franchise. Despite being a season ticket holder for many years, I remain skeptical of those benefits. NY State taxpayers threw $60 million dollars at the Bills and gave the team a sweatheart lease which can be broken with a modest payment to Erie County, which also picks up the tab for maintaining the stadium. The Bills retain all of the money from parking and a considerable percentage of concession revenue. Still, the Bills take pales in comparison to what teams in Dallas and DC take in by way of concessions, seating licenses (essentially the right to bid on season tickets) and merchandising. Nice work if you can get it.

I detest the hand-wringing that grips the community each time Wilson puts a gun to the County Executive's head... "Whatever shall we do if we lose the Bills? (quiver) Life as we know it shall never be the same!"

Please, stop.

The national and local economies are suffering through a serious recession adversely affecting expendable income for season tickets. The number of Fortune 500 companies in Buffalo and Rochester can be counted on one hand, meaning boxes and luxury seats may no be sold. When the season ticket base falls and the boxes go unsold, it will make the perfect excuse for RCW to say "Buffalo can't support an NFL team." He's already said as much cooking up a $72 million deal with Rogers for games played in Toronto.

I can't tell you how many hours, how much money and emotional capital Western New Yorkers have invested in this football team, only to be kicked in the butt (wide right) by its owner. Where will the Bills go if they choose to leave Buffalo? Don't know, but I do know that whatever community gets the Bills better be ready to make some huge sacrifices.* (*I had initially written a pretty gross description of "sports extortion," but good sense prevailed and I refined the statement.)
 
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