From the rover:
How does your town support all those classical musicians?
Probably live, 24/7 too.
How does your town support all those classical musicians?
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"...Classical Music has all those "quiet" parts between the louder ones, so this is essential for listening to great classical music."
Well, your not going to believe this, but I work at a Classical music station. (And, so far at least, we are analog only.)
Here is is what I have noticed:
The "quiet" parts in between the "louder" ones are....well, quiet.... Wait, there's more!
The "louder" parts that are usually on either side of the "quiet" part, Jeez Louize their loud! The dynamics are superb..............It's a good thing there aren't any digital artifacts to "color" the music, huh?
"jim"
Well, your not going to believe this, but I work at a Classical music station. (And, so far at least, we are analog only.)
Here is is what I have noticed:
The "quiet" parts in between the "louder" ones are....well, quiet.... Wait, there's more!
The "louder" parts that are usually on either side of the "quiet" part, Jeez Louize their loud! The dynamics are superb..............It's a good thing there aren't any digital artifacts to "color" the music, huh?
"jim"
jim 8230 said:
Look. all I was trying to say is, that when a classical piece goes to a softer or "quieter" section, then I really prefer --not-- to hear any FM static, which happens when listening to WRR in Dallas . . .
And so, your station is "analog" only..... So you do not play anything but LP's, as --anything-- on CD, would be "Digital".... How's that going ? ? ? ?
clouseau said:
Acutally, before I decided to get the Accurian HD Radio, I compared the prices for other table radios, --not-- HD, over at Crutchfield (bty, they have excellent technical support, and have had for years...), and the non-HD radio table radios ranged from $119 - $199.
And these had less presets and only a mono speaker on most. . . . go figure ! !
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hipporadio said:700WLW said:Remember, I am ignorant, when it comes to technical discussions about HD Radio/IBOC !I have read, that the Accurian HD has only 2" speakers, all this for over $100 ! I was looking into trying out the Sony ICF-S10MK2 - a rather impressive AM Dx'er for $10, and it has a 2 1/4" speaker (my RS radio is a bit too large to carry around) !
http://www.radiointel.com/review-sonys10mk2.htm
700... May I heartily suggest...
http://www.amazon.com/Sangean-DT200...id=1164412226/ref=sr_11_1/002-9044050-9279250
or this model...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000066R6M/ref=pd_cp_e_title/002-9044050-9279250
This Sangean 200 "pocket radio" features selectable use of a small speaker, but produces VERY GOOD audio thru its included earbuds.
THE BEST AM and FM/FM Stereo RECEPTION I have EVER seen on a "Walkman-style" radio. I've owned one for 2.5 years and it's holding up well. Decent battery life also.
The 210 is reported to offer equal AM reception (but a bit less sensitive on FM)
But sorry... It's a tad more than ten bucks!
Hippo, just received three Sony ICF-S10MK2 radios from J&R Music ($10/each + free shipping) - this radio is unbelievable, and I just posted a review on Amazon under, "analogAMforever", if you are interested. Boy, it is nice to be taken back to the 1960's again - the PLL radios are now history !
Here is my review of HD Radio here in Connecticut using the Accurian Black Friday Special radio.
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,55696.0.html
http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,55696.0.html
the rover said:
This is extra HD noise that a non-HD station does not have.
You can plainly hear the digital noise by taking an analog FM radio (even mono) and tuning just above or below the HD FM station. It sounds similar to FM noise, but with a slightly different character.
jim 8230 is probably correct when he said his analog FM station has no such noise problems.
For WRR-FM to get rid of the annoying digital noise, all they have to do is switch off the noise generating HD signal. Then they will have pristine, full fidelity, long range, analog stereo FM again.
HD radio claims to fix what was not broken, until HD radio came along to create added digital interference.
Yes, the defective iBiquity HD digital radio system adds digital noise that sounds similar to fm noise to the analog stereo signal. That is the noise that "goes away" when an HD radio switches to digital. What they don't tell you is that the extra digital noise is an artifact of adding the problematic HD digital carriers to the analog stereo signal.
This is extra HD noise that a non-HD station does not have.
You can plainly hear the digital noise by taking an analog FM radio (even mono) and tuning just above or below the HD FM station. It sounds similar to FM noise, but with a slightly different character.
jim 8230 is probably correct when he said his analog FM station has no such noise problems.
For WRR-FM to get rid of the annoying digital noise, all they have to do is switch off the noise generating HD signal. Then they will have pristine, full fidelity, long range, analog stereo FM again.
HD radio claims to fix what was not broken, until HD radio came along to create added digital interference.
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"First Listen: Radio Shack's $99 HD Radio"
"HD Alliance CEO Peter Ferrara tells Inside Radio this morning that Radio Shack was "overwhelmed with the sales" of the Accurian over the weekend."
http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2006/11/first_listen_ra_1.php
Believe it, or not - let's see, the final numbers, when they are released by RS ! I heartily suspect, this is more B.S. from Ferrara - I wonder, how many will end up being returned, and not reported !
"HD Alliance CEO Peter Ferrara tells Inside Radio this morning that Radio Shack was "overwhelmed with the sales" of the Accurian over the weekend."
http://www.edisonresearch.com/home/archives/2006/11/first_listen_ra_1.php
Believe it, or not - let's see, the final numbers, when they are released by RS ! I heartily suspect, this is more B.S. from Ferrara - I wonder, how many will end up being returned, and not reported !
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SUPERCASTER said:
And keep in mind that HD Radio isn't only about junk technology, it's also about control - control by the media conglomerates to maintain the status quo and keep their grip on our airwaves.
They tried to do this when the NAB pushed the third adjacent channel issue. That concern has since proven to be bogus so the media giants are trying to squeeze out low power stations through digital interference.
As Todd Urick wrote in his article, "Digital Garbage: Turning my FM radio into a novelty toaster":
"HD Radio effectively pushes out all but the strongest stations, eliminating weaker signals; "digital interference," or more aptly "digital censorship," will wipe out smaller cultural and educational stations."
http://www.commonfrequency.org/HDradio.html
This is my main objection to hybrid IBOC.
db
700WLW said:Hippo, just received three Sony ICF-S10MK2 radios from J&R Music ($10/each + free shipping) - this radio is unbelievable, and I just posted a review on Amazon under, "analogAMforever", if you are interested. Boy, it is nice to be taken back to the 1960's again - the PLL radios are now history !
'700... I'm happy you are enjoying your Sony ICF-S10MK2... I'll need to check this "diamond in the ruff" out for sure!
Now... Technical briefing coming your way... "PLL" stands for "Phase Locked Loop"... It has NOTHING to do with "digital synthesized tuning" which you may rightfully hold in disregard. PLL actually went "mainstream" on many "analog-tuned" receivers as far back as the late 60s. My first component stereo (the STA-65B from Radio Shack) featured PLL. I'm happy to report that it is alive 'n well and receiving FM and AM perfectly as I type this post!
It would NOT surprise me to know that your Sony has "PLL"--it's fairly common--and GOOD!
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hipporadio said:700WLW said:Hippo, just received three Sony ICF-S10MK2 radios from J&R Music ($10/each + free shipping) - this radio is unbelievable, and I just posted a review on Amazon under, "analogAMforever", if you are interested. Boy, it is nice to be taken back to the 1960's again - the PLL radios are now history !
'700... I'm happy you are enjoying your Sony ICF-S10MK2... I'll need to check this "diamond in the ruff" out for sure!
Now... Technical briefing coming your way... "PLL" stands for "Phase Locked Loop"... It has NOTHING to do with "digital synthesized tuning" which you may rightfully hold in disregard. PLL actually went "mainstream" on many "analog-tuned" receivers as far back as the late 60s. My first component stereo (the STA-65B from Radio Shack) featured PLL. I'm happy to report that it is alive 'n well and receiving FM and AM perfectly as I type this post!
It would NOT surprise me to know that your Sony has "PLL"--it's fairly common--and GOOD!
It is my understanding, that radios are either, analog, analog/w digital display, or digital PLL tuned. The Sony is analog-tuned and there is no mention of a PLL processor, but RadioIntel stated that it may contain the same receiver chip as their more expensive PLL radios; the Sony has a typical analog slide scale/w with tuning wheel. I know that PLL stands for phase-locked loop, because my RS radios are digital PLL/w memory. The S350 junk was analog/w digital display, and drifted, because it did not have PLL to lock the stations in place. Anyway, the Sony is awesome, at the price of two trips to McDonalds - highly recommend you consider it ! I thought PLL was digital synthesized tuning ? God, I am getting confused - help !
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hipporadio said:700WLW said:Hippo, just received three Sony ICF-S10MK2 radios from J&R Music ($10/each + free shipping) - this radio is unbelievable, and I just posted a review on Amazon under, "analogAMforever", if you are interested. Boy, it is nice to be taken back to the 1960's again - the PLL radios are now history !
'700... I'm happy you are enjoying your Sony ICF-S10MK2... I'll need to check this "diamond in the ruff" out for sure!
Now... Technical briefing coming your way... "PLL" stands for "Phase Locked Loop"... It has NOTHING to do with "digital synthesized tuning" which you may rightfully hold in disregard. PLL actually went "mainstream" on many "analog-tuned" receivers as far back as the late 60s. My first component stereo (the STA-65B from Radio Shack) featured PLL. I'm happy to report that it is alive 'n well and receiving FM and AM perfectly as I type this post!
It would NOT surprise me to know that your Sony has "PLL"--it's fairly common--and GOOD!
Looks like you are correct - I didn't realize that there are both analog and digital PLL. I just always heard about digital, never analog PLL:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-locked_loop
Interesting, I haven't noticed any drifting in the Sony, as with the S350, and the Sony is definately very quiet.
700WLW said:hipporadio said:700WLW said:Hippo, just received three Sony ICF-S10MK2 radios from J&R Music ($10/each + free shipping) - this radio is unbelievable, and I just posted a review on Amazon under, "analogAMforever", if you are interested. Boy, it is nice to be taken back to the 1960's again - the PLL radios are now history !
'700... I'm happy you are enjoying your Sony ICF-S10MK2... I'll need to check this "diamond in the ruff" out for sure!
Now... Technical briefing coming your way... "PLL" stands for "Phase Locked Loop"... It has NOTHING to do with "digital synthesized tuning" which you may rightfully hold in disregard. PLL actually went "mainstream" on many "analog-tuned" receivers as far back as the late 60s. My first component stereo (the STA-65B from Radio Shack) featured PLL. I'm happy to report that it is alive 'n well and receiving FM and AM perfectly as I type this post!
It would NOT surprise me to know that your Sony has "PLL"--it's fairly common--and GOOD!
It is my understanding, that radios are either, analog, analog/w digital display, or digital PLL tuned. The Sony is analog-tuned and there is no mention of a PLL processor, but RadioIntel stated that it may contain the same receiver chip as their more expensive PLL radios; the Sony has a typical analog slide scale/w with tuning wheel. I know that PLL stands for phase-locked loop, because my RS radios are digital PLL/w memory. The S350 junk was analog/w digital display, and drifted, because it did not have PLL to lock the stations in place. Anyway, the Sony is awesome, at the price of two trips to McDonalds - highly recommend you consider it ! I thought PLL was digital synthesized tuning ? God, I am getting confused - help !
PLL has NOTHING to do with digital synthesized tuning... It was intregrated into ANALOG SLIDE-RULE TUNED radios multiple decades ago. Believe me--PLL is a very GOOD THING! It lowers FM distortion and AIDS in tuning--it is NOT an "Auto-Tune" as in an "AFT", but when correctly tuned--an FM station is lower in demodulated distortion thanks to a PLL circuit.
It debuted back in the late 60s well before "digital synthesis" tuners appeared. "Digital" was only a "consumer convenience" and obviously had tradeoffs in performance (i.e. NOISE). The very best tuners such as the McIntosh MR-80 and I-Com R-71 featured "analog tuning" with a digital readout driven from a frequency generator coupled to the tuning mechanisim... PLL was featured and contributed to their high performance.
While Digital is a great "Buzzword" I have come to pretty much think it is a synonym for "Smashed lower fidelity".
Thing Digital cell vs BAGPHONE.
Think Real Audio 2.0 vs .wav.
On the other side. Think CD vs LP.
It's all about "Bandwidth".
And in the land of Digital it's becoming.. Less is "MORE"
Too bad, actually.
Clouseau
Thing Digital cell vs BAGPHONE.
Think Real Audio 2.0 vs .wav.
On the other side. Think CD vs LP.
It's all about "Bandwidth".
And in the land of Digital it's becoming.. Less is "MORE"
Too bad, actually.
Clouseau
And so, your station is "analog" only..... So you do not play anything but LP's, as --anything-- on CD, would be "Digital".... How's that going ? ? ? ?
Now come on you know what I mean. Our transmitter is running analog only. I know I was being sarcastic so sorry, O. K.? My point was simply that our station is processed perfectly for the music we play. I, and all of our listeners, think the audio sounds great. No one that I know of has complained about our fidelity. In fact, when was the last time you heard anyone complain about the fidelity on an FM station? Seriously, we have a couple of stations in town that are very popular that I find overprocessed and a bit dirty sounding. But the people I know that listen to them never say anything about their sound quality....if they complain it is about hearing a song too many times or bands they would rather not ever hear again.
And just for the record...we DO play CD's and we play vinyl fom time to time. And our listeners love it.
Now come on you know what I mean. Our transmitter is running analog only. I know I was being sarcastic so sorry, O. K.? My point was simply that our station is processed perfectly for the music we play. I, and all of our listeners, think the audio sounds great. No one that I know of has complained about our fidelity. In fact, when was the last time you heard anyone complain about the fidelity on an FM station? Seriously, we have a couple of stations in town that are very popular that I find overprocessed and a bit dirty sounding. But the people I know that listen to them never say anything about their sound quality....if they complain it is about hearing a song too many times or bands they would rather not ever hear again.
And just for the record...we DO play CD's and we play vinyl fom time to time. And our listeners love it.
hipporadio said:
I have used since 1988, and kept for weather emergencies the SONY SRF-M40W FM/AM Walkman. It has rugged case, and comes with a PLL synthesized Stereo Receiver. It has 7 AM and & FM memory locations. It's noce tp be able to scan 7 stations by touch. The On/Off switch still works well. It runs on 2 "AA" batteries. It was made in Taiwan. The AM reception is good. The FM is Ok for strong stations. For weaker stations, manipulating the headphone cord will help.
All these "digital" musicians, are local?TheRover said:
How does your town support all those "digital" recording classical musicians?
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