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I am a transplant to Rochester. I have a friend who told me Bob & Tom were talking about having a new and bigger affiliate in Rochester. Has anyone heard anything about this. I can't hear them and miss them. They are the best.
 
I woudn't hold my breath. This is a market that's never been kind to syndicated shows in either morning or afternoon drive...not even Stern made a big dent in the Arbitrons here when he was on broadcast radio. A secondary or rimshot station may pick these guys up, but none of the principal full-market-coverage signals are likely to do it except out of desperation--or out of some corporate cost-cutting dictate from a distant company HQ. And that's likely only to help a locally programmed format competitor.
 
What about the Fox or CMF. It would fit on either station. I just wrote to them on their website. If you haven't heard them, then you don't know how good they are. It's not just guys talkin' dirty or politics...it's great.
 
bobn said:
If you haven't heard them, then you don't know how good they are. It's not just guys talkin' dirty or politics...it's great.

And you haven't lived in the 585 very long, young blood, nor did you read Bob1370's post. The market rejects syndicated morning shows. Even Stern didn't make it big in Rochester. So Bob and Tom - whose show is about .001% as good - stand no chance of being successful here.
 
I didn't ask for your opinion on its success. I said that my friend called to say he heard them say on their show that they had a new Rochester station. Perhaps Clear Broadcasting or Enter-com don't share your opinion on the 585 area code and think it might work, or just want a new show. What do I care. I just wondered if anyone had heard the same thing. Bob N Tom in Rochester?

By the way, I think they are great.
 
Okay I admit I'm out-of-the-loop because I've never heard of Bob N Tom.

Who are they; where do they broadcast from; and are they syndicated?

How many stations carry them?
 
BobandTom.com

Over 200 stations. This would be a great addition to Rochester (he said with his fingers crossed).
 
Bob N Tom will likely not be on in Rochester. Ever. However, they are on WLLW Seneca Falls, 99.3FM. I think this is the closest they will ever get to the Rochester Metro, other than someone putting them on a multicast channel. I think you need to read the previous posts on the poor audience response of syndicated hosts. Love them or hate them personally, they did not do well on the air in this market. And Bob N Tom are nowhere near as original or creative as Stern, Imus, or even Opie & Anthony, not that I am endorsing any of these. To be honest, they are just plain awful. They maybe on 200 stations, but a lot of these are very small.
 
Bob & Tom in Rochester

Bob & Tom are already in Rochester - Rochester, MN that is.

You could always listen on-line. They're on the stream from WMMS in Cleveland. If you don't want to go through their player, check out www.thestreamcenter.com.
 
I think they are on WOUR in Utica. Clear Channel destroyed that once proud rock heritate station. It's now owned by Ed Levine. He may have or about to make some changes.
 
WOUR

Yeah, they're on the Bob & Tom affiliate list, and on the WOUR website. Levine has certainly trashed a heritage rock station.

Bob & Tom are big in the midwest, especially in smaller markets. If Levine has them on, they must be cheap.
 
You can check out Bob & Tom here. These guys aren't pikers. They put on a show. Their home base is WFBQ, Indianapolis, where they own the market and they're on in St. Louis, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Charlotte. Those aren't small markets, but they're not Rochester, New York either. Bob & Tom are as edgy as Opie & Anthony but funnier and a lot cleaner (not hard to imagine.) Entercom has a book on these guys, so you just don't know.

It seems unlikely that Entercom would import Bob & Tom to fill Wease's shoes. Say what you will about Wease, those are big shoes to fill. As noted, syndication has bombed in Rochester. But that was then and this is now... so who knows.

The saving grace is Bob & Tom are a lot better than Rover, Grover, Stewie, Sparky, Spanky or whatever the hell that guy's name was. That was amateur hour, almost embarrassing to listen to.

"Bob and Tom better than Rover..." how's that for damning with faint praise.

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Radknowski said:
You can check out Bob & Tom here. These guys aren't pikers. They put on a show. Their home base is WFBQ, Indianapolis, where they own the market and they're on in St. Louis, Cleveland, Cincinnati and Charlotte. Those aren't small markets, but they're not Rochester, New York either. Bob & Tom are as edgy as Opie & Anthony but funnier and a lot cleaner (not hard to imagine.) Entercom has a book on these guys, so you just don't know.

Having family in Fort Wayne, which was one of B&T's first two syndication markets outside Indy, I've been listening to these guys for years. (Met them, too, at the NAB Radio Show in San Diego a few years back, but that's another story.)

Being a Premiere show, they tend to appear on CC stations, and I was quite surprised that they didn't show up on the Fox when it first came on the air at 107.3. Heck, if I were running the Fox now on 95.1, I'd give them a try, just to see if they can gain any traction against Radio Free Where's Wease up the dial.

I agree with Bob that syndicated mornings have had a bad track record here - but the landscape is changing, and the longer Wease stays off the air, the more the landscape will keep changing. Interesting times ahead...
 
Does Buffalo's 107.7 FM pick up in Rochester at all?
It won't happen (right?)
but if it *could*, that would be the most likely station to find Bob and Tom on, since there has been so much flushing out of staff going on over there.

*above information is pure speculation, and not intended in any way to be a fact.
 
Yeziknoradio said:
Does Buffalo's 107.7 FM pick up in Rochester at all?
It won't happen (right?)
but if it *could*, that would be the most likely station to find Bob and Tom on, since there has been so much flushing out of staff going on over there.

*above information is pure speculation, and not intended in any way to be a fact.

Sure - the Lake signal in Rochester is just about as good (or not) as it is in Buffalo. It's one of my regular presets in the car.

But unless Entercom is considering a radical overhaul of the Lake, B&T would be a radical 180 from the less-personality, more-music approach at 107.7 right now.

Does Entercom have any B&T affiliates? I can't think of any...
 
Bob & Tom are not Lake material. Not gonna happen there. It's simply not that kind of station... it's different at the Lake. Let it be.

As to Rochester, good as B&T are (and they are) it would be a monumental mistake for Entercom to go with syndication over a live, local Rochester personality in morning drive at WCMF. If Wease is out, well, Kennedy and Kane-O are on the beach and Kane's return would be an acceptable alternative to many WCMF diehards because he was part of the station for so long.
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(And Radknowski, cut the bushwah funny stuff.)
 
Say What?

Just saw what? An "under construction" page?

There's nothing on the Bob & Tom website.

Not to say that it couldn't happen...
 
"I agree with Bob that syndicated mornings have had a bad track record here - but the landscape is changing, and the longer Wease stays off the air, the more the landscape will keep changing. Interesting times ahead..."

If CMF tries to replace Wease (one of the city's best-known and best-liked personalities) with syndicated outsiders, the new act will be rejected the same way New York radio listeners rejected Jack when CBS-FM was killed. Wease has his detractors like any long time personality does, but he's also got his fervent fans in still larger numbers, and they will accept no substitutes.

Playing hardball and threatening to dump the signature personality of a station, is the kind of thing a company does when it decides to shift strategy and dump the station--it makes no sense to blow off the station's principal source of revenue, ratings and profit if they plan on doing anything else but cutting their cost base to prep it for sale. The more I think about it, the more it looks like Entercom has changed its mind about future strategy in the Rochester cluster and decided to keep Warm 101.3 while dumping a couple other full-coverage stations adding up to the same ratings and revenue total in order to stay under FCC limits. (Two full Class B stations, plus two class As, add up to a more salable cluster to peddle to someone else than a single B and two As in any event...)

If I'm right and the for-sale sign gets pulled off Warm and put on CMF and PXY, anyone want to guess who would pony up for a four station FM cluster? We can rule out religious broadcasters since they never build clusters that big in any market, not even Salem. Clear Channel's already at its limit at least until it dumps channel 13 and isn't in the market for anything new these days anyway, so forget them. CBS' new national management might be having regrets at leaving town but I don't see them coming back now.

Citadel/ABC and Regent, however, might each be interested in coming into town if they had enough signals to work with, they might be bidders if they're offered a four station package. Maybe Lew Dickey at Cumulus (who had a disastrous turn in the market with WSAY-AM back in 1981-82) might be interested in giving Rochester another try as well. And who knows about what Randy Michaels, who just linked up with Sam Zell to take over the WGN properties in Chicago and has a lot of other radio and TV irons in the fire, might be thinking about this area? He knows the turf, he cut his radio teeth in Buffalo and helped bring the WHAM/WVOR/WHTK cluster into the portfolio of Clear Channel's predecessor Jacor back in the 90s when Bud Wertheimer and Jack Palvino sold out. There's no shortage of bidders for a four station FM cluster in a market with a million potential listeners if the price is right.
 
What are you NUTS?

Bob1370 said:
"Maybe Lew Dickey at Cumulus (who had a disastrous turn in the market with WSAY-AM back in 1981-82) might be interested in giving Rochester another try as well.

Bite your tongue! That's all this market needs! ::)

Besides that was the old man who owned the station, not the kid.
 
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