TheX-KXRX said:
Uh..tap tap..That's what business is in business for, to make money. The more money you make, the better you're doing your job and the longer you'll be in it. It's been that way since the dawn of capitalism.
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Bob Rivers' Show - Contract Renewal?
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Uh..tap tap..That's what business is in business for, to make money. The more money you make, the better you're doing your job and the longer you'll be in it. It's been that way since the dawn of capitalism.
TVradioguru said:
Well, it's like my wife's observation on capitalism "If capitalism is so great, then how come we're always borrowing money from a communist country?"
Money is only a small part of success. The rest is the popularity that actually makes you that money in the first place.
I'd say it's a give and take. Listeners don't care about how much money the station makes, but they DO care if their favorite show is gone. Or changed through micromanagement in such a way it's alienated the audience that made it successful. And without listeners, there's no advertisers.
That's the dilemma KZOK faces without Bob Rivers. And we haven't even begun to talk about his replacement......
Bongwater said:
If you're talking about Japan, which is the foreign country with holds the most US debt, it's not a communist country. If you're speaking about China, they only hold about 10% of the total US debt. I suspect your wife has been watching Glen Beck too often.
Bongwater said:
In this example, I think we've established that KZOK is a popular station with the intended demographic. What's at issue is whether KZOK would be more or less profitable if the existing morning show were to leave. Its already profitable, and with less expense, could potentially be more profitable. The trick is determining what the safe ratio is.
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SandyG said:
Does being taken off the KZOK website count?
Listener email sent out tonight by KZOK and not a WORD about Bob's situation. In my view that means he has INFINITELY (insider pun intended) more class than the organization he served for 10 years.
I'm bummed not only for the audience that will lose an interesting (and different) morning show ... but for the heritage of a once-amazing broadcast company that is now about scrimping and throwing away most of what they have built over the last several decades -- not JUST in Seattle but everywhere.
They handled Ichabod thing with a LOT more class ... but KZOK has been hit & miss with regard to bringing closure to relationships between talent and audience (Slayton, Rivers et al). I don't BELIEVE's it's Carey ... he's a good guy and I suspect if hands weren't tied he'd be treating his team very well.
Maybe something interesting will come from the "audition" window. That would, at least, help stem this tide of "we don't care" that seems to be flowing from Dexter. It's not lost on some of us that the ONLY communication on this issue was issued by their sales team to the advertisers. Nothing to listeners.
So guru, et al ... can't wait to hear your justification about why the people who CONSUME the product aren't worth a crap. Am sure there's a page in the handbook for explaining it ... but I want to know why it's JUSTIFIED.
I'm bummed not only for the audience that will lose an interesting (and different) morning show ... but for the heritage of a once-amazing broadcast company that is now about scrimping and throwing away most of what they have built over the last several decades -- not JUST in Seattle but everywhere.
They handled Ichabod thing with a LOT more class ... but KZOK has been hit & miss with regard to bringing closure to relationships between talent and audience (Slayton, Rivers et al). I don't BELIEVE's it's Carey ... he's a good guy and I suspect if hands weren't tied he'd be treating his team very well.
Maybe something interesting will come from the "audition" window. That would, at least, help stem this tide of "we don't care" that seems to be flowing from Dexter. It's not lost on some of us that the ONLY communication on this issue was issued by their sales team to the advertisers. Nothing to listeners.
So guru, et al ... can't wait to hear your justification about why the people who CONSUME the product aren't worth a crap. Am sure there's a page in the handbook for explaining it ... but I want to know why it's JUSTIFIED.
TVradioguru said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
Bongwater said:
In this example, I think we've established that KZOK is a popular station with the intended demographic. What's at issue is whether KZOK would be more or less profitable if the existing morning show were to leave. Its already profitable, and with less expense, could potentially be more profitable. The trick is determining what the safe ratio is.
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While a penny saved is a penny earned, in the end, you also get what you pay for......
Heard a bumper (is that what they're called?) for "Bob Rivers mornings and Stacy Ireland now" on the way home today. But also noticed on Facebook that Jodi Brothers confirmed in a post that the contract wasn't renewed by CBS. She says they're "going to take some time off" (which I assume means sit out their non-compete) but from her post it didn't sound like they yet have a new "home". We'll see I guess. It just kills me that all GOOD radio is going away.
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An interesting option to Stephanie miller, I won’t be a taker but it’s an inroad.
Did CBS let Bob go or did Rivers say goodbye to CBS. Unlike other older shows that bit the dust, Rivers had great ratings in PPM. kiro fm would love those numbers, so would kisw or kmtt. Does it occur to anyone that Rivers made the decision? Guess time will tell.
facts are one thing were in short supply of, speculation is what we got a lot of.
did KIRO/bonny offer rivers and crew more $, and KZOK/CBS didnt match?
if so, who would KIRO dump in 6 mo's? the morning news, or the afternoon ronandons?
did KZOK/CBS want to split up the team in an effort to save $$ and bob said "no thanks"?
hows bout rivers and crew doing a few live web/pod cast morning shows from snoqualmie casino, during their new found hiatus?
right on! mr blue with your comments in reply #28
did KIRO/bonny offer rivers and crew more $, and KZOK/CBS didnt match?
if so, who would KIRO dump in 6 mo's? the morning news, or the afternoon ronandons?
did KZOK/CBS want to split up the team in an effort to save $$ and bob said "no thanks"?
hows bout rivers and crew doing a few live web/pod cast morning shows from snoqualmie casino, during their new found hiatus?
right on! mr blue with your comments in reply #28
LITTLEBOYBLUE said:
I don't quite understand your measure of "class" and how it applies here. If you strip this down to the basics, you probably would find it as simple as; negotiations went on for quite a while behind closed doors and finally one party or the other (or both) decided to part ways. "Class" has nothing to so with it, it's business. Everything comes to an end.
LITTLEBOYBLUE said:
Hmm.. I can't justify a statement like that, because I don't agree with it. Consumers of the product, the listeners, are very important, equally as important as advertisers who pay our salarys and keep the stations alive. I'm sure even you would agree, beyond the tears and emotion, that this is a business decision. Do you not think that Rivers had a say in the matter and was negotiating to better his own 'business' situation? Of course he was. I'm puzzled why you always choose to assume that evil management was solely at fault.
Thanks Crowski. I had a feeling River's had another deal and with his numbers was calling his own shots. Good for them. Nice to see talent still has a place and negotiating power. Funny that everyone these days assumes it is the big corporate radio giant that holds all the cards. If you have ratings, it appears you still have power. Will look forward in six months to hearing bob and company again. In the meantime they get to sleep in.
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