Bob & Tom Move To Rock 101?

[modulate933]

Looks like the folks at Wilkes will be taking avantage of GAP's poor judgement. Just heard a sweeper on Rock 101 out of a commercial talking about Bob & Tom will be on the station starting Monday. So are they dumping John Boy & Billy?

 

[Garrett]

suprise.


Gee "modjulate," tell us how you really feel.

 

[cspotrun]

Looks like the folks at Wilkes will be taking avantage of GAP's poor judgement. Just heard a sweeper on Rock 101 out of a commercial talking about Bob & Tom will be on the station starting Monday. So are they dumping John Boy & Billy?

John Boy & Billy have been sucking here for quite some time, Bob & Tom have run their course in Lubbock, i don't think changing frequencies for Bob & Tom will matter. morning radio in lubbock is at an all time low. i got an idea! how bout a new LIVE morning show on `101.

 

[Garrett]

Cspot, do you have anything nice to say?

 

[ontheairdaily]

FMX has made two posts on their morning show's myspace page about how Bob & Tom suck.... convienently right after Rock 101 started promoting they would start carrying it. (you have to wonder if they still would have done it if another station didn't pick it up) I'm only inclduing one, the other one is wayyyyyyyyyyy too long (but you can see it here: http://www.myspace.com/gorockshow)

Bob and Tom Suck
Current mood:Rockin'!
I guess I can't be plainer than the title of this blog....but I'm now free to tell you exactly what I think of this giant anchor that has been weighing FMX down. I want to gather my thoughts before I lay it all out for you; but rest assured I'm going to lay it all out. If you were a fan of that recycled crap I'm truly sorry we got you used to it. And...if you don't prefer rock music in the morning to that garbage then I guess it's time to say "so long"....FMX IS BACK ROCKING AND THE ROCK SHOW LEADS THE WAY.

I wonder what it says to listeners when you are blatently on the defensive like that? Maybe it says to them "boy, these guys are scared". It's just like negative political ads. The audience can figure out when your getting desperate.

 

[cspotrun]

Cspot, do you have anything nice to say?

i did about our Spanish speaking friends in another blog, and you TRASHED them. shame on you.

 

[cspotrun]

FMX has made two posts on their morning show's myspace page about how Bob & Tom suck.... convienently right after Rock 101 started promoting they would start carrying it. (you have to wonder if they still would have done it if another station didn't pick it up) I'm only inclduing one, the other one is wayyyyyyyyyyy too long (but you can see it here: http://www.myspace.com/gorockshow)

Bob and Tom Suck
Current mood:Rockin'!
I guess I can't be plainer than the title of this blog....but I'm now free to tell you exactly what I think of this giant anchor that has been weighing FMX down. I want to gather my thoughts before I lay it all out for you; but rest assured I'm going to lay it all out. If you were a fan of that recycled crap I'm truly sorry we got you used to it. And...if you don't prefer rock music in the morning to that garbage then I guess it's time to say "so long"....FMX IS BACK ROCKING AND THE ROCK SHOW LEADS THE WAY.

I wonder what it says to listeners when you are blatently on the defensive like that? Maybe it says to them "boy, these guys are scared". It's just like negative political ads. The audience can figure out when your getting desperate.

its a big gamble for em', it may, or may not work. who will have the last laugh? ... B&T at least have a "Laff-Track"

there are too many morning "Gab Fest" morning shows out there, and its even worse when they are carpetbaggers from Dallas, North Carolina, Indianapolis, Austin who couldn't find Lubbock on a map. fact is NONE of these syndicated morning shows can beat a good "Local" morning show, and since "Good" costs money, there are less of them every day.

 

[Old Nick]

I am constantly amazed and stunned by the schizophrenic nature of these boards. GAP puts on a local show and some of you guys instantly assume its the wrong move? When was the last time you listened to Bob & Tom? Wilks played right into GAPS hands. Bob and Tom has turned into a 44+ show. 44 year olds DO NOT listen to the radio at night. Wilks picking up Bob and Tom is only going to prove that GAP was right because they will not even draw flies at night.

EVERYONE on these boards should be supporting local shows, because if they draw it WILL lead to more local jocks being employed.

 

[crow]

I am constantly amazed and stunned by the schizophrenic nature of these boards. GAP puts on a local show and some of you guys instantly assume its the wrong move? When was the last time you listened to Bob & Tom? Wilks played right into GAPS hands. Bob and Tom has turned into a 44+ show. 44 year olds DO NOT listen to the radio at night. Wilks picking up Bob and Tom is only going to prove that GAP was right because they will not even draw flies at night.

EVERYONE on these boards should be supporting local shows, because if they draw it WILL lead to more local jocks being employed.

Bravo! Bravo!

I do have to say... 101 grabbing B&T was a bad move. The things that Wes wrote in his blog about B&T were right on the mark. B&T is a show that has been played out for a long time. As a person who enjoys seeing a good fight... it does make me sad that 101 did that. Simply becuz I enjoy watching stations go at it... fight for those ratings. However, 101 doesn't even put up a fight. If they did, and maybe one day they will... things will get interesting again in Lubbock radio, when it comes to rock stations.

 

[Garrett]

Crow is correct! When radio stations fight on the air (and not on message boards that listeners don't read), the listener wins. I was in Houston over the weekend, and heard Hot 95.7 duke it out with KRBE. Hot 95.7 was ALL OVER KRBE, and you know what? THEY WERE RIGHT! Hot was playing lots of pop, only stuff thats on the charts, very similar to Kiss. KRBE? I couldn't belive it, they sounded like Mix, and Houston already has a "Mix."

Not to go off on a Houston subject. The point is, stations need to be competitive, duke it out. Look at the battle of the 104s? Radio wars make for some great radio.

I think Rock 101 really competes more Kool, more of a Classic Hits station and than a Rock station.

 

[Terriblejock]

Whaaaaa? Competes with Kool?

I don't believe I've ever heard Kool play Jimmy Hendrix , Led or Floyd. My mother likes Kool and hates rock music. I wouldn't compare the two just because the music is from the same basic time period.

Garret I've read your posts for a while on this board and usually your spot on. But I had to start an account just to dissagree with you on this one.


Oh and who is going to start a radio war on Rock 101 when all the shows are syndicated? Just sayin..it would be fun to hear though.

 

[Garrett]

Know what? You're right!
I should have specified that I'm talking mostly about demographic. You are right that they are not exactly the same format. But there is a lot of crossover between the two. Classic Rock has traditionally played Classic Hits from the 60s, 70s and 80s. Now, Oldies is going in that direction. I've heard Hendrix on Kool 98, and Aerosmith. John Mellencamp, 38 Special, Bruce Springsteen, The Police, etc... All of these get coverage on both stations, so they both fall under the umbrella of classic hits. But you're right, they're not the same format.

I just don't see Rock 101 getting 21 year old listeners the way KFMX does, Kool 98 listeners are more likely to identify with that music. I think that's why our syndicated version of Jack tanked. Most of that music was on Kool or KONE. We didn't need 3 stations playing the same stuff. We radio geeks know the difference. But TSL wise, I don't think the average listeners does.

Not to get into a debate about this, it's just my opinion, I don't have the stats that the jocks and sales monkeys have.

Whaaaaa? Competes with Kool?

I don't believe I've ever heard Kool play Jimmy Hendrix , Led or Floyd. My mother likes Kool and hates rock music. I wouldn't compare the two just because the music is from the same basic time period.

Garret I've read your posts for a while on this board and usually your spot on. But I had to start an account just to dissagree with you on this one.


Oh and who is going to start a radio war on Rock 101 when all the shows are syndicated? Just sayin..it would be fun to hear though.

 

[rockchicktx]

Okay...here's the thing guys. You have to look at this whole thing for what it is in this market. There are 2 major power players in Lubbock radio: Gap & Wilks. And 101 snagging Bob&Tom is a perfect example of the 2 directions the two companies are heading. One is grasping all the talent that's worth grabbing...and the other is gasping for air. Gap simply couldn't afford to keep B&T (and half of their local staff even) and Wilks did the smart thing by taking a show that had familiarity in the market and putting it on their 35-60ish demo station. It certainly won't hurt 101...it can only help. And talk all you want about JBoy and Billy/B&T sliding, etc. It's true...but the thing is they are still shows that show up in the diary books. I'm all for local talent, but Gap can barely afford that anymore. Just listen to their country battle. Rick and Jane sound over modulated...their middays are tracked and usually have some sort of train wreck with sweepers colliding over tracks, and Manning doesn't seem to go into a break with any sort of direction other than "Here's what played and here's what's coming up." KLLL meanwhile is sound thru the entire day, and lucked out with that new guy in afternoons who came from a bigger market somewhere. Wilks was already dominating in the country market, but they upgraded when they really didn't have to. That takes money and the desire to stay active. Wilks must be running things alot better than Gap or anyone else.

Just looking from outside the bubble, I'd expect more of this as the spring and the year goes on. One geared up for the spring book...one didn't and is sliding.

 

[rockchicktx]

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Bravo! Bravo!

I do have to say... 101 grabbing B&T was a bad move. The things that Wes wrote in his blog about B&T were right on the mark. B&T is a show that has been played out for a long time. As a person who enjoys seeing a good fight... it does make me sad that 101 did that. Simply becuz I enjoy watching stations go at it... fight for those ratings. However, 101 doesn't even put up a fight. If they did, and maybe one day they will... things will get interesting again in Lubbock radio, when it comes to rock stations.
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Wait a minute...B&T is a show that has been "played out for a long time"...and Wes isn't?
Ha! I think I just heard a show yesterday with the same content that came from a show prep sheet from 1987....man, seriously.

I'll support any radio show that sounds good. Don't care if it's local or national...I'm for great radio, not employing crappy djs.

 

[cspotrun]

Okay...here's the thing guys. You have to look at this whole thing for what it is in this market. There are 2 major power players in Lubbock radio: Gap & Wilks. And 101 snagging Bob&Tom is a perfect example of the 2 directions the two companies are heading. One is grasping all the talent that's worth grabbing...and the other is gasping for air. Gap simply couldn't afford to keep B&T (and half of their local staff even) and Wilks did the smart thing by taking a show that had familiarity in the market and putting it on their 35-60ish demo station. It certainly won't hurt 101...it can only help. And talk all you want about JBoy and Billy/B&T sliding, etc. It's true...but the thing is they are still shows that show up in the diary books. I'm all for local talent, but Gap can barely afford that anymore. Just listen to their country battle. Rick and Jane sound over modulated...their middays are tracked and usually have some sort of train wreck with sweepers colliding over tracks, and Manning doesn't seem to go into a break with any sort of direction other than "Here's what played and here's what's coming up." KLLL meanwhile is sound thru the entire day, and lucked out with that new guy in afternoons who came from a bigger market somewhere. Wilks was already dominating in the country market, but they upgraded when they really didn't have to. That takes money and the desire to stay active. Wilks must be running things alot better than Gap or anyone else.

Just looking from outside the bubble, I'd expect more of this as the spring and the year goes on. One geared up for the spring book...one didn't and is sliding.

in other words, who is "investing" in the future and who doesn't have one.

 

[crow]

Wait a minute...B&T is a show that has been "played out for a long time"...and Wes isn't?
Ha! I think I just heard a show yesterday with the same content that came from a show prep sheet from 1987....man, seriously.

I'll support any radio show that sounds good. Don't care if it's local or national...I'm for great radio, not employing crappy djs.

[/quote]

So, is this just an attack on the DJ's that are doing mornings now on FMX? I only ask that because you mentioned something about employing crappy DJ's. Just curious.

However, You say you support local or national as long as it's good. Alright, well B&T was nooooo longer entertaining. So, YES, I am glad that they replaced that poor excuse for a morning show. They did the same crap over and over again and got paid good money to do it and got nice bonuses for just doing "OK" in the market. I would bet money on it that Wes & Eathen won't be pullin' that crap of doing the same thing over and over. Yet, you are obviously keeping some sort of radio diary if you know that Wes supposedly did some bit from 1987, so you must know better then I. *Insert Evil Laugh Here*

However, this is just my opinion.

 

[Old Nick]

The so called "rocker-chick" might want to consider that Wes and Eathan have each been number one in their previous outings more times than the years than she has been alive. I myself have tried hiring Wes out of the market numerous times but we could never come to an agreement on a figure. They last time I checked KFMX was never beaten by any rock station. My guess is the new morning show will come out of the gate very strong (maybe not super strong in one book-but stronger than anyone expects).

But what do I know, I switched over the business side a long time ago. All I know is my clients are requesting their dollars be spent on KFMX (and they have NO interest or faith in Bob & Tom as a night show)

 

[Garrett]

HEY GUYS,
Save it for the air, would ya?

KFMX vs. Rock 101 is a great fight ON THE AIR!

Please don't waste your jabs on a message board that nobody (by nobody, I mean "listeners") reads. Make some promos (both of ya).
Take it from me, I used to work for Jacor...

 

[Old Nick]

HEY GUYS,
Save it for the air, would ya?

KFMX vs. Rock 101 is a great fight ON THE AIR!

Please don't waste your jabs on a message board that nobody (by nobody, I mean "listeners") reads. Make some promos (both of ya).
Take it from me, I used to work for Jacor...

You are absolutely right. I have prided myself on being fair on these boards and I've violated that. My apologies. I just want to see local radio succeed and was a little too passionate about it. Just remember, every local battle one is a HUGE victory for everyone who loves radio.

 

[rockchicktx]

My point was this when it comes to the old debate about "local vs syndicated." Yes, I would prefer local shows over syndicated...but any jock worth their weight can hear that alot of times, the local shows just don't measure up. There are crappy national shows (Lia, Countdowns, anything on that True Country station, XM) and there are crappy local shows. It works the other way too...it's just that these days you have to look at a show for what it is, regardless of where it comes from. Is it good? Is it not? Like I said before, I'm for GREAT RADIO...so if there is a show out there better than the one that's airing, it should be on. It forces everyone to be better, atleast it should. Unfortunately companies have given up on developing young talent (so local is suffering) and radio is no longer a destination point for young talent.

But when you say that a show should be on a shift over another just because "it's local," you should hope it's on because it's a good product. Not just because it broadcasts from 50th street or something. If I was a pd I would look at the options, and if my local guy's kicking butt then awesome. If he's not, then I'm looking for something better, and if that is a show that comes out of Yakima, Washington...bring it on.

The problem is, there just isn't enough great radio being done...regardless of it's origin.