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Boston Acoustics Receiver...Is this thing Deaf??

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midwestclubber

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Well, the little 300 dollar receiver looks, and sounds very nice,, On analog that is. I get the analog stations from Indianapolis 30 miles away, and the HD light goes on and off, but I never get the true HD1,,, and obviously none of the HD2 stations lock on either. Can anyone confirm exactly what stations in Indianapolis have a 2nd HD2 channel? Do I need to get special antenna?
 
> Can anyone confirm exactly
> what stations in Indianapolis have a 2nd HD2 channel?

Ibiquity has a list on their web site.

> Do I
> need to get special antenna?

I would put up as good an outdoor antenna as you can. Snag a Radio Shack yagi before they discontinue them. Don't worry about "digital" vs. "analog" - you need raw antenna gain, and the RS antenna has plenty.
 
> > Can anyone confirm exactly
> > what stations in Indianapolis have a 2nd HD2 channel?
>
> Ibiquity has a list on their web site.
>
> > Do I
> > need to get special antenna?
>
> I would put up as good an outdoor antenna as you can. Snag
> a Radio Shack yagi before they discontinue them. Don't
> worry about "digital" vs. "analog" - you need raw antenna
> gain, and the RS antenna has plenty.
>
Those lists arent always accurate, some HD2 stations arent running 24/7, and some are off and on in test mode. I still dont know if the WNOU hd2Dance format is fully operational yet? I may be trying to get something that isnt there.
 
> > > Can anyone confirm exactly
> > > what stations in Indianapolis have a 2nd HD2 channel?
> >
> > Ibiquity has a list on their web site.
> >
> > > Do I
> > > need to get special antenna?
> >
> > I would put up as good an outdoor antenna as you can.
> Snag
> > a Radio Shack yagi before they discontinue them. Don't
> > worry about "digital" vs. "analog" - you need raw antenna
> > gain, and the RS antenna has plenty.
> >
> Those lists arent always accurate, some HD2 stations arent
> running 24/7, and some are off and on in test mode. I still
> dont know if the WNOU hd2Dance format is fully operational
> yet? I may be trying to get something that isnt there.
>
In fact I heard that the sensitivity on this B.A model vary from each receiver,, I may have a defective one.
 
> > > > Can anyone confirm exactly
> > > > what stations in Indianapolis have a 2nd HD2 channel?
> > >
> > > Ibiquity has a list on their web site.
> > >
> > > > Do I
> > > > need to get special antenna?
> > >
> > > I would put up as good an outdoor antenna as you can.
> > Snag
> > > a Radio Shack yagi before they discontinue them. Don't
> > > worry about "digital" vs. "analog" - you need raw
> antenna
> > > gain, and the RS antenna has plenty.
> > >
> > Those lists arent always accurate, some HD2 stations
> arent
> > running 24/7, and some are off and on in test mode. I
> still
> > dont know if the WNOU hd2Dance format is fully operational
>
> > yet? I may be trying to get something that isnt there.
> >
> In fact I heard that the sensitivity on this B.A model vary
> from each receiver,, I may have a defective one.
>

Two Indy stations currently are utilizing their HD2 -- 103.3 and 94.7. Some of the other stations have HD2 show up on the receiver, but there is no audio. I know 107.9 and 99.5 are this way. I'm not sure about 93.1, but I'll try to remember to check it when I'm in the car tomorrow.
 
> In fact I heard that the sensitivity on this B.A model vary
> from each receiver,, I may have a defective one.
>
Very true.

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> > > > Can anyone confirm exactly what stations in Indianapolis
> > > > have a 2nd HD2 channel?
> > >
> > > Ibiquity has a list on their web site.
> > >
> > > > Do I need to get special antenna?
> > >
> > > I would put up as good an outdoor antenna as you can. Snag
> > > a Radio Shack yagi before they discontinue them. Don't
> > > worry about "digital" vs. "analog" - you need raw antenna
> > > gain, and the RS antenna has plenty.
> >
> > Those lists arent always accurate, some HD2 stations aren't
> > running 24/7, and some are off and on in test mode. I still
> > dont know if the WNOU hd2Dance format is fully operational
> > yet? I may be trying to get something that isnt there.
>
> In fact I heard that the sensitivity on this B.A model vary
> from each receiver,, I may have a defective one.

Great quality control, wouldn't you say?
 
> > > > > Can anyone confirm exactly
> > > > > what stations in Indianapolis have a 2nd HD2
> channel?
> > > >
> > > > Ibiquity has a list on their web site.
> > > >
> > > > > Do I
> > > > > need to get special antenna?
> > > >
> > > > I would put up as good an outdoor antenna as you can.
>
> > > Snag
> > > > a Radio Shack yagi before they discontinue them.
> Don't
> > > > worry about "digital" vs. "analog" - you need raw
> > antenna
> > > > gain, and the RS antenna has plenty.
> > > >
> > > Those lists arent always accurate, some HD2 stations
> > arent
> > > running 24/7, and some are off and on in test mode. I
> > still
> > > dont know if the WNOU hd2Dance format is fully
> operational
> >
> > > yet? I may be trying to get something that isnt there.
> > >
> > In fact I heard that the sensitivity on this B.A model
> vary
> > from each receiver,, I may have a defective one.
> >
>
> Two Indy stations currently are utilizing their HD2 -- 103.3
> and 94.7. Some of the other stations have HD2 show up on the
> receiver, but there is no audio. I know 107.9 and 99.5 are
> this way. I'm not sure about 93.1, but I'll try to remember
> to check it when I'm in the car tomorrow.
>
I think I may send it back. I could use that 350 bucks to pay in advance for my XM service, and I wont have to mess with a monthly bill for quite some time. The only reason I got it, was to listen to WNOUs HD2 Dance station...
 
Actually, 93.1 did have the dance format going on HD2 when I checked today. Sound quality was horrible, but it was there. I imagine their pranking with it at the moment.

> I think I may send it back. I could use that 350 bucks to
> pay in advance for my XM service, and I wont have to mess
> with a monthly bill for quite some time. The only reason I
> got it, was to listen to WNOUs HD2 Dance station...
>
 
The thing is deaf as a post. Not very good... as a matter of fact, they are redesigning the tuner because they now "know" this.It's a nice $39 radio selling for $299...(Update) Actually they are sending it with a dipole antenna. I've had it on an outdoor Yagi aimed at a 50kw ERP FM station 30 miles away. No HD recovery and only 2 of 3 bars with the radio blending to mono. A $29 Optimus boom box is full quieting sitting next to it, in stereo, with it's own whip antenna. D-E-A-F.
 
Mine is really quite good in analog, if connected to the same antenna as my Technics ST-G50 analog tuner it gets all of the same analog FM stations. Some of them a bit better, because the selectivity is simply superb.However, it takes a LOT more signal to get HD. Especially on AM, where an outdoor antenna is necessary to get a stable signal from the one local AM HD station. (50,000 watts at 18 miles, admittedly 1510KHz) I have yet to recover any audio from any out-of-town AM HD stations, though I have retrieved Program Associated Data at 800 miles.I would think it would use the same front-end tuner for HD as it uses for analog, that the HD decoding takes place at intermediate frequency (IF) after both frequency conversion and amplifiication.
 
wgliradio said:
The thing is deaf as a post. Not very good... as a matter of fact, they are redesigning the tuner because they now "know" this.It's a nice $39 radio selling for $299...(Update) Actually they are sending it with a dipole antenna. I've had it on an outdoor Yagi aimed at a 50kw ERP FM station 30 miles away. No HD recovery and only 2 of 3 bars with the radio blending to mono. A $29 Optimus boom box is full quieting sitting next to it, in stereo, with it's own whip antenna. D-E-A-F.
Seems the problem ...according to sales reps...is that receivers are the old analog design receiving digital.The BIG problem is the fact that a non hybrid signal from a 50 kw station is 1 % of their analog signal. 50 kw - 10% is 5kw - 1% is 500 watts. A hybrid signal is 10% but 90% is lost combining the two.Until the magic receiver comes out that receives digital below the noise floor you are like the many who are enjoying XM or Sirius.Many complaints of the lack of signal on the new receivers. How can we make this play to listeners??? We can't. Wait ...is it 1976 and where is Leonard Kahn. I think this is smellier than AM stereo.
 
"Seems the problem ...according to sales reps...is that receivers are the old analog design receiving digital."Are you talking about all of the current HD radios available of just the B.A.? Could you tell me other then the digital decoder chip what a digital receiver would have that a analogue wouldn't? The radio will receive the multi channelized FM HD signal, so there must be some digital element to the receiver,"The BIG problem is the fact that a non hybrid signal from a 50 kw station is 1 % of their analog signal. 50 kw - 10% is 5kw - 1% is 500 watts. A hybrid signal is 10% but 90% is lost combining the two."I live 25 miles from the transmitter site of nearly all the area FM signals (Empire state) and have no trouble maintaining steady reception on all the FM stations as well as the AM's (We have three WNYC AM, WOR and WADO). I use a pair of rabbit ears for FM and a passive loop for AM. The problems I read from are from people who are currently able to receive fringe signals from relatively great distances (50, 60 miles or more) and find that they can't hear the HD station as well as they used to. To the best of my knowledge a station is licensed to serve a market. At least here in the north east, when you travel 60 miles you are not within a stations market/licensed contour any longer. To be fair here in NYC we have eight full time 50 thousand watt stations, three of which or 1A Non Directionals full time. 1 non da day & DA night, 2 Single pattern 50 KW operations and one da day night different patterns. WADO while 50 K day at 1280 has a signal which leaves a lot to be desired, even though I can decode their IBOC signal at my home. Here in NY we have so many radio stations and with the level of RF floating around here, listening to distant radio stations has always been a challenge. Sure we can DX with the right equipment but while NYC stations pound into the cities of Philadelphia and Hartford during the day. Here in NY you can barely hear stations like WPHT (Philly) or WTIC (2 50 K non D's) here during the day (and they can not be heard in Manhattan at all during the day. We have FM stations starting at 92.3 and go to 107.5. There are 41 FM stations above 92.1 which I can receive with my Receptor and rabbit ears at my house. On top of that 10 commercial FM's have HD product currently. They are all running HD2 channles except WPLJ which runs HD 2 & HD 3 channels. Here in NY there's been a non compete agreement amongst the group owners on their 2nd and 3rd HD channels. We have formats on those channels not avaiable anywhere else in the NY market. I have not included the FM's below 92.1 either analogue or HD capable. We have no interference that I have been able to detect here in a suburb of NYC. Again, if I was to go another 20 miles that might not be the same however if you are 50 miles from NYC, you are not part of the NY market. "Until the magic receiver comes out that receives digital below the noise floor you are like the many who are enjoying XM or Sirius."I have friends who work for XM and I've heard XM and to be honest a properly engineered HD station sounds better than the sats and there is no monthly charge. "Wait ...is it 1976 and where is Leonard Kahn. I think this is smellier than AM stereo."With Am stereo (I owned three different AM stereo radios) still had issues of limited bandwidth and the noise and other weknesses associated with AM radio. IBOC has none of those problems. I've been listening to AM on my Receptor since I purchased it in February. I love my radio. It's especially impressive when the clean full fidelity HD audio bursts forth from the limited fidelity AM analogue transmission. We're in an experimental period and to be honest what will prove to be the success of IBOC is when they get some car manufacturers to offer it eithe as standard equipment or as an option in their automaobiles. I know BMW already does but its a must that more cars are fitted to receive IBOC radio.
 
autopaint-1 said:
I live 25 miles from the transmitter site of nearly all the area FM signals (Empire state) and have no trouble maintaining steady reception on all the FM stations as well as the AM's (We have three WNYC AM, WOR and WADO). I use a pair of rabbit ears for FM and a passive loop for AM.
This sure isn't jibing with my experience. I have found that I can now reliably receive the HD on our local NPR station (80kw analog at about 30 miles) by moving the receiver to a different room. That's not necessary for analog reception. (and even with the radio relocated, I have to carefully position the antenna to receive HD. Again, not necessary with analog stations.) Stations around here are running considerably more power - more than 10dB more power - than those in NYC. I suppose part of the problem *could* be that our antennas are somewhat lower (1132' vs. 1360' for many NYC stations) but I'm on high ground in a good RF location - and again, I have no problems with the analog stations which of course are using the same towers as the HD.
The problems I read from are from people who are currently able to receive fringe signals from relatively great distances (50, 60 miles or more) and find that they can't hear the HD station as well as they used to. To the best of my knowledge a station is licensed to serve a market. At least here in the north east, when you travel 60 miles you are not within a stations market/licensed contour any longer.
Actually, they're licensed to serve a *city*, though the FCC extends an interference-protected contour that usually runs quite a bit further. I suppose in NYC you might not miss out-of-market stations. Elsewhere, they show up in the ratings. For example, Milwaukee, where Chicago's WGN shows up & beat one local station 12+. Or South Bend, Ind. where WGN beat five local stations and WLS also shows up. In Madison, WGN shows up as does Milwaukee's WTMJ. In Muskegon, Mich., WGN beats six local stations and WBBM also shows up. And in Rockford, five Chicago AMs (including daytimer WCPT!) and two FMs show up, along with three Madison, Wis. FM stations. WGN beat six local stations. There are thousands of people listening to out-of-market stations in these cities. [/quote]
I have friends who work for XM and I've heard XM and to be honest a properly engineered HD station sounds better than the sats and there is no monthly charge.
on the other hand, your XM radio offers a LOT more formats; most of them are and likely will remain commercial-free -- and your favorite XM station won't disappear when you get more than 50 (30) miles from the transmitter. Probably not an issue in NYC - definitely an issue for, say, the Zion, Ill. commuter heading into Chicago.
bursts forth from the limited fidelity AM analogue transmission. We're in an experimental period and to be honest what will prove to be the success of IBOC is when they get some car manufacturers to offer it eithe as standard equipment or as an option in their automaobiles. I know BMW already does but its a must that more cars are fitted to receive IBOC radio.
I'm afraid it's not off to a very good start...What HD has in its favor is a pretty strong commitment from the stations. We didn't see that with AM stereo. However, I don't see any commitment from setmakers or retailers to sell the receivers. (it's not *worse* than it was with AM stereo, but it's not any better either!) From a strictly technical side there's no reasonable entry strategy. You can't replicate analog coverage while limited to the lower digital powers of hybrid mode -- you can't switch from hybrid mode to all-digital if the vast majority of your audience is still listening to the analog -- and important parts of your audience will not buy new digital radios if they can't get their favorite station. (especially if the digital radios are much more expensive than analog, but really even at the same price) Maybe not a serious problem in NYC, but most of us don't live in New York.
 
Not Deaf at all!.....Its just very selective.I got mine this week, its way better than you think, I have it on a rooftop antenna and it out performs my Kenwood Car tuner on same antenna.I also found the "special menu">>>>>hold the clock button for 5-10 seconds.Split mode and EQ to name a few.
 
How many average consumers will be willing to go to the expense and trouble of putting up a rooftop antenna just to get radio?This isn't the 1920's, and they have many, many other better entertainment alternatives that don't require any such inconvenience. In many newer housing developments rooftop antennas are forbidden.
 
SUPERCASTER said:
How many average consumers will be willing to go to the expense and trouble of putting up a rooftop antenna just to get radio?This isn't the 1920's, and they have many, many other better entertainment alternatives that don't require any such inconvenience. In many newer housing developments rooftop antennas are forbidden.
Forget the rooftop antenna for now, I just wanted to let it be known that the Receptor outperforms another radio that no one has ever complained about.
 
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