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so again NINE stations, broadcasting the same stuff, to an audience of how many?

Apparently they raise a lot of money. That's the business model for non-com radio. It doesn't matter how many people listen. It matters how much they spend.

The other question: Would you prefer those same stations to be owned by EMF or some other religious broadcaster? They operate with basically the same model.
 
Change in strategy to chase younger listeners who'd be more likely to act on their message and buy what they're pitching, perhaps? This might be a bigger problem for WRKO, which has no real news element and depends on right-wing talk for its ratings, than for WBZ, which is all-news during the day parts that really matter. News skews old, but conservative talk practically wallows in the La Brea tar pits with its audience.
Oh yes, that was the ill-fated decision that CBS did with WODS, close to almost a decade ago now.
 
Oh yes, that was the ill-fated decision that CBS did with WODS, close to almost a decade ago now.
CBS had to do something. WROR had come up with the "classic rock lite" approach to oldies/classic hits that retained younger listeners in Boston. If WODS had continued to play Four Seasons and Supremes and Herman's Hermits, it audience would have become unpalatable to most advertisers regardless of raw audience numbers.
 
CBS had to do something. WROR had come up with the "classic rock lite" approach to oldies/classic hits that retained younger listeners in Boston. If WODS had continued to play Four Seasons and Supremes and Herman's Hermits, it audience would have become unpalatable to most advertisers regardless of raw audience numbers.
Funny thing is, over the past couple of years WROR has gone in the direction of a typical classic hits station like WCBS or WOGL with more non rock titles and has seen their best ratings ever.
 
CBS had to do something. WROR had come up with the "classic rock lite" approach to oldies/classic hits that retained younger listeners in Boston. If WODS had continued to play Four Seasons and Supremes and Herman's Hermits, it audience would have become unpalatable to most advertisers regardless of raw audience numbers.
But they could've simply just cut all the 1960's music out entirely instead.
 
Oh yes, that was the ill-fated decision that CBS did with WODS, close to almost a decade ago now.
there was a time when WODS performed modestly as Amp Radio. I recall the 6+ rating pushing a high 3 share and hearing the station did well with young women. It really only tanked in the final 2 years. the brand, music, and personalities got stale
 
there was a time when WODS performed modestly as Amp Radio. I recall the 6+ rating pushing a high 3 share and hearing the station did well with young women. It really only tanked in the final 2 years. the brand, music, and personalities got stale
But still not nearly as well when they were with the previous Oldies format though, yes?
 
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The station had weak numbers?
It may have performed well on 6+ PPM numbers, but I'm guessing below par ratings within the 25-54, 18-34 demos was one of the reasons they flipped. That, or CBS wanted to see one of their stations be at the top instead of Kiss 108. Or possibly a bit of both.
 
Funny thing is, over the past couple of years WROR has gone in the direction of a typical classic hits station like WCBS or WOGL with more non rock titles and has seen their best ratings ever.
So, then, had WODS gone in the same direction as WCBS-FM or WOGL, we might still have it around. I suppose even if (then) Entercom wanted to revert WODS to a playlist similar to WCBS-FM or WOGL, it might've been too late, since WROR beat them to it, in effect. ☹️
 
But still not nearly as well when they were with the previous Oldies format though, yes?
correct -- but from CBS' perspective, they may have viewed Oldies as a dead format 5-10 years down the line, and 65+ is a tough demo to sell to. Strategically, the move made sense: Kiss was dominating the entire female audience. Introducing WODS as Amp Radio would hyper target young women, and Mix104.1 with W35+. In that situation, Kiss would've needed to pick a lane to fight in: W18-35 or W35+, and either way, CBS has a female-oriented station with no competitor to pitch to advertisers.

Ultimately, iHeart split both lanes by playing a ton of gold/throwback pop records on Kiss, bringing on Bex as a Matty producer, and tweaking Jamn's programming to counter Amp's impact.

I don't think the goal was ever to have Amp duplicate WODS' numbers, but to counter Kiss' dominance and prop up Mix. The project didn't work out for whatever reasons (programming, listening patterns, etc). Hindsight is 20-20.
 
So, then, had WODS gone in the same direction as WCBS-FM or WOGL, we might still have it around. I suppose even if (then) Entercom wanted to revert WODS to a playlist similar to WCBS-FM or WOGL, it might've been too late, since WROR beat them to it, in effect. ☹️
They did! They were playing more 80s at the time just like OGL and CBS.
 
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correct -- but from CBS' perspective, they may have viewed Oldies as a dead format 5-10 years down the line, and 65+ is a tough demo to sell to. Strategically, the move made sense: Kiss was dominating the entire female audience. Introducing WODS as Amp Radio would hyper target young women, and Mix104.1 with W35+. In that situation, Kiss would've needed to pick a lane to fight in: W18-35 or W35+, and either way, CBS has a female-oriented station with no competitor to pitch to advertisers.

Ultimately, iHeart split both lanes by playing a ton of gold/throwback pop records on Kiss, bringing on Bex as a Matty producer, and tweaking Jamn's programming to counter Amp's impact.

I don't think the goal was ever to have Amp duplicate WODS' numbers, but to counter Kiss' dominance and prop up Mix. The project didn't work out for whatever reasons (programming, listening patterns, etc). Hindsight is 20-20.
I had read that CBS's original approach with the entire AMP format, was to play at least 3 more new wow type songs to gather attention away from competitors! I guess in the long run, they simply did not have a retention strategy at all.
 
I had read that CBS's original approach with the entire AMP format, was to play at least 3 more new wow type songs to gather attention away from competitors! I guess in the long run, they simply did not have a retention strategy at all.
And the station seemed to hurt WJMN more than anybody else.
 
And the station seemed to hurt WJMN more than anybody else.
yeah -- bold concept that just failed to deliver. it sounded great for the first couple years, then got boring real fast. pop cycle trended toward downer songs in the late 2010s and that was a killer
 
yeah -- bold concept that just failed to deliver. it sounded great for the first couple years, then got boring real fast. pop cycle trended toward downer songs in the late 2010s and that was a killer
Yes, the general consensus is that CHR, etc. is not been all that appealing during the past few years or so.
 
Funny thing is, over the past couple of years WROR has gone in the direction of a typical classic hits station like WCBS or WOGL with more non rock titles and has seen their best ratings ever.
There's a difference between playing Cyndi Lauper and playing the Supremes.
Yes, the general consensus is that CHR, etc. is not been all that appealing during the past few years or so.
Country and urban formats peeled off a lot of CHR listeners when the current product lost its mojo.
 
There's a difference between playing Cyndi Lauper and playing the Supremes.

Oh absolutely, I just meant even after WODS bit the dust, WROR didn’t immediately respond. They just really recently adjusted their playlist over the past couple of years to be what a properly evolved WODS would have sounded like.

WODS was one of the last stations in any notable market to still use the word “Oldies” and was behind all of their CBS sister stations in dropping the 60s and moving further in to the 80s. Seeing how WROR is performing, guess it was their mistake.
 
So, then, had WODS gone in the same direction as WCBS-FM or WOGL, we might still have it around. I suppose even if (then) Entercom wanted to revert WODS to a playlist similar to WCBS-FM or WOGL, it might've been too late, since WROR beat them to it, in effect. ☹️
I think it was proven to be a format that fit well on one station. Personally, I can only hope to see a day when the same happens to Country. The "Jack-esque" station was a hole left when Mike was flipped to make room for WEEI on FM. Not counting to short lived format on 101.7 when iHeart assumed ownership from Phoenix Media.

My belief is that had CBS and Entercom not merge, 103.3 would still be Amp, and there wouldn't have been Big, Mike, Jack, or whatever. The only frequency left was 97.7. I would assume that keeping the "New" format that was assigned to it and WAAF still going away. The only other possibility would have been that either 97.7 went to EMF or WAAF became 97.7 exclusive. Either of those would have been my preference, but I see it as a pipe dream. More likely 97.7 stayed with a classic R&B format. That's just my belief. Either way, I don't see a competitor to WROR in a hypothetical different reality or this one.
 
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