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radiofriend1

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i've been in your great city for a few days during the holidays and want to let you know a visitor thinks there's some very interesting radio in boston.

it's very unusual to have two successful and very active/topical n/t stations like wbz & wrko-- just sounds like there's always something cooking w/both

and your variety hits station mike fm sounds better than i've read about on these boards. also love wror. great music

anyway................hope u know how good u have it compared to many places around the country
 
radiofriend1 said:
i've been in your great city for a few days during the holidays and want to let you know a visitor thinks there's some very interesting radio in boston.

it's very unusual to have two successful and very active/topical n/t stations like wbz & wrko-- just sounds like there's always something cooking w/both

and your variety hits station mike fm sounds better than i've read about on these boards. also love wror. great music

anyway................hope u know how good u have it compared to many places around the country

It's awesome......as long as you are a white guy who likes rock or a soccer mom who digs "safe" pop. For anyone else, its a pretty boring radio market with about as much musical variety as you'd find in Des Moines.
 
radiofriend1 said:
i've been in your great city for a few days during the holidays and want to let you know a visitor thinks there's some very interesting radio in boston.

it's very unusual to have two successful and very active/topical n/t stations like wbz & wrko-- just sounds like there's always something cooking w/both

and your variety hits station mike fm sounds better than i've read about on these boards. also love wror. great music

anyway................hope u know how good u have it compared to many places around the country

After the News Turkey Massacre, WRKO is no longer considered N/T. Just T.
 
If we have it good, American Radio Stations must really S :mad: ck ! Alot of Rock stations here in Boston , But none of them, are above Avg. Boston Hip hop station is Avg. at Best . Mike-FM need to be put in a dumpster . N/T stations S :( ck ! WEEI Is America Best Sports station , But Boston other sports stations need to be flush down the toilet . Boston A/C stations is just Avg. Boston College stations are Ok ( 88.9 is the best ) . Boston Country station cant stay in one place .Boston PoP station used to be good, Now its crappy . Boston is missing good formats like Urban,Urban A/C, Dance,Smooth Jazz,Rhythmic A/C, And Black Gospel . Its to bad That, a Great City like Boston, Has alot of 3rd world radio stations .
 
WTKK does talk as well, and with slightly more local content than before: Eagan & Braude, Barnicle,
Severin, Graham. Jimmy Myers has been filling in for Graham.
Boston has some interesting college/public broadcasters. Yes the country station can't stay in one
place but it's been going up in the ratings and the latest move is to put them on a stick closer to Boston.
 
RadioFriend1 - so nice to have you in our region after all our posts on the OFF THE AIR Board.

What I find is that when driving from state to state the "grass is always greener" because we tend to hear
the best elements of other people's radio. If one drives to New York there's an array of different (to us) sounds in Connecticut; if driving to Maine there are different oldies station playlists - probably more liberal than those in Boston proper. So you are hearing WROR with "fresh ears" where we are pretty used to the stale playlists of
both WROR and WODS and WZLX. Thus we tune in to 740 AM or 99.1 FM to hear a little variety in turn our radio into some kind of quasi-I Pod. Stick around for a month and you'll start complaining. It's guaranteed.

Courtesy of Entercom, CBS, Clear Channel, Greater Media, The Four Stooges
 
>>740

it would mean the loss of the music he plays, but I wonder if the "save Prog. Radio Boston" folks might be able
to convince Bittner to change them to prog. talk--it certainly would reach Harvard Square. Low power but
also low dial position...better than nothing. Though ironically enough, 'JIB benefitted in the ratings when
WXKS abandoned standards for AAR.
 
The non-commercial radio in Boston is outstanding, not "just OK".

The SEVEN stations that I can hear in the city (WMBR 88.1, WERS 88.9, WGBH 89.7, WZBC 90.3, WBUR 90.9, WUMB 91.9, and WHRB 95.3...yes I know that they are technically "commercial" but not in the traditional sense) always seem to have something interesting on.

WMBR plays cutting edge rock on weekday mornings that is some of the best that I have ever heard.

WERS is pretty cool. WGBH is very old-school public, but the jazz and classical service is valuable because of the station's big signal that gets deep into rural areas.

WZBC seems pretty cutting edge.

WBUR is talk and information that is not designed for morons.

WUMB is folk-acoustic based and is refreshing.

WHRB's classical selections are very cutting edge compared to commercial classical radio, their jazz is more edgy than GBH, and the rock they play is pretty radical. Also, "Hillbilly At Harvard".....what more can you say?

This is not counting WRBB (104.9) and the Tufts station (91.5) that you can hear in some parts of the city.

All in all, these stations always have something intesting on. Seven stations.

Now, try to get this kind of selection in Buffalo or Pittsburgh or St Louis or Miami or......
 
This is not counting WRBB (104.9) and the Tufts station (91.5) that you can hear in some parts of the city.
Its sometime's hard to hear WRBB at Norheastern U.
 
HHH said:
The non-commercial radio in Boston is outstanding, not "just OK".

The SEVEN stations that I can hear in the city (WMBR 88.1, WERS 88.9, WGBH 89.7, WZBC 90.3, WBUR 90.9, WUMB 91.9, and WHRB 95.3...yes I know that they are technically "commercial" but not in the traditional sense) always seem to have something interesting on.

WMBR plays cutting edge rock on weekday mornings that is some of the best that I have ever heard.

And, WMBR has the only daily (M-F) "alternative" non-commercial 1960's/70's deep music show on terrestrial radio in the USA, "Lost & Found" weekdays 12 noon - 2 pm. A different style with each weekday DJ, it digs up everything from "lost" pop, rock and soul hits and non-hits, to psychedelic album tracks only heard on "FM underground" stations back in the day. (Practically) none of the records overplayed to death on commercial retro stations.

Also, great roots/Americana/blues programs Saturday mornings/early afternoons, and much more. Classic Soul Sundays 6-8 pm, and "slow" adult urban contemporary Sundays 10pm-midnight, Saturdays 12 midnight-on.

HHH said:
WERS is pretty cool. WGBH is very old-school public, but the jazz and classical service is valuable because of the station's big signal that gets deep into rural areas.

WZBC seems pretty cutting edge.

WBUR is talk and information that is not designed for morons.

WUMB is folk-acoustic based and is refreshing.

WHRB's classical selections are very cutting edge compared to commercial classical radio, their jazz is more edgy than GBH, and the rock they play is pretty radical. Also, "Hillbilly At Harvard".....what more can you say?

This is not counting WRBB (104.9) and the Tufts station (91.5) that you can hear in some parts of the city.

That's WMFO from Tufts, some good shows/DJ's sprinkled through their schedule. It's mainly heard from downtown Boston northward into the north suburbs within Route 128. North of Route 128 WUML from U. Mass Lowell is heard on the frequency (and WMLN Curry College is also on the frequency from downtown Boston southward).

WRBB (Northeastern U.) is unfortunately not heard much farther than downtown and some of the urban neighborhoods due to low power and a commercial station on the frequency on the North Shore.

Other low-powered college stations worth noting include WBRS 100.1 Brandeis University (west suburbs within Route 128, spotty into Boston) and WMWM 91.7 Salem State (North Shore, perhaps farther toward Boston on a very good radio) for their blues and doo-wop shows on Saturday afternoons.

HHH said:
All in all, these stations always have something intesting on.

Now, try to get this kind of selection in Buffalo or Pittsburgh or St Louis or Miami or......

I think our college/non-comm variety in Boston even beats hip hotbeds like NYC and SF.

Not to mention a few unusual, truly independent commercial stations you may not have yet discovered. WATD 95.9 Marshfield (South Shore, fringe signal around Boston) has a refreshing old-school full-service AC/oldies neighborhood community format by day, and "lost" oldies shows, blues, 50's doo-wop and more evenings, overnights and weekends. It's a genuine holdover from the days of fully staffed, live, local service radio.

WJIB 740 AM, though automated, is independently owned and programmed with the most creative, diverse Adult Standards based format I've heard anywhere, and is the last area holdout for suprisingly good AM fidelity if you own a wideband analog AM Stereo receiver from the 80's or 90's (no longer manufactured). Best heard during daylight hours, WJIB drops to low power at night.

I certainly agree with those who say that we need Urban AC - Classic R&B/Soul in this city, both on commercial radio, as well as more on non-comm radio. I also feel that we need a Triple-A, either commercial or non-commercial, that is really willing to take some chances and present some true variety (perhaps what WERS is attempting to do with their new daytime format?)

Otherwise, you'd be hard pressed to outdo Boston's radio variety anywhere. Even some of the major commercial stations with cookie-cutter music playlists still have some very talented, heritage longtime DJ's hanging in there, giving what would otherwise be stale formats their special touch on personality alone.
 
HHH said:
The non-commercial radio in Boston is outstanding, not "just OK".

The SEVEN stations that I can hear in the city (WMBR 88.1, WERS 88.9, WGBH 89.7, WZBC 90.3, WBUR 90.9, WUMB 91.9, and WHRB 95.3...yes I know that they are technically "commercial" but not in the traditional sense) always seem to have something interesting on.

WMBR plays cutting edge rock on weekday mornings that is some of the best that I have ever heard.

WERS is pretty cool. WGBH is very old-school public, but the jazz and classical service is valuable because of the station's big signal that gets deep into rural areas.

WZBC seems pretty cutting edge.

WBUR is talk and information that is not designed for morons.

WUMB is folk-acoustic based and is refreshing.

WHRB's classical selections are very cutting edge compared to commercial classical radio, their jazz is more edgy than GBH, and the rock they play is pretty radical. Also, "Hillbilly At Harvard".....what more can you say?

This is not counting WRBB (104.9) and the Tufts station (91.5) that you can hear in some parts of the city.

All in all, these stations always have something intesting on. Seven stations.

Now, try to get this kind of selection in Buffalo or Pittsburgh or St Louis or Miami or......

And don't forget the mighty WMFO, 91.5 FM, in Meffa!! All the programming you could want in a single day. :)
 
>> with about as much musical variety as you'd find in Des Moines. <<

What? There's no comparison: Des Moines has KAZR - blows away WAAF !

Actually - in the 80's - when WBCN and Kiss108 were at their creative peaks - i thought Boston radio was the best in the country. At that point, LA's parallel stations sounded amatuerish, and everything else i'd heard in my travels was just boring. The music on 'BCN, Kiss108, 'FNX, and even 'BOS back then was interesting and adventurous. WEEI was the best news station I've ever heard to date, WHDH had masterful personalities like Jess Cain and Dave Supple, Sunny Joe White on Kiss108 was redefining "Top 40" radio, and WBCN back then inspired John Frost to help forge KROQ into the powerhouse it is now - so that today LA radio is arguably the best sounding market, while Boston radio is just a homogenized shadow of what it once was.
 
Eli Polonsky said:
and is the last area holdout for suprisingly good AM fidelity if you own a wideband analog AM Stereo receiver from the 80's or 90's (no longer manufactured).

Believe it or not, 2 (possibly 3 AM Stereo receivers have just hit the market)! Unfortunately they're not advertised as having stereo, but the Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio and the Sangean HDT-1 tuner (which I own) do in fact have AM Stereo.

Here's a clip I recorded of WJIB from the Sangean HDT-1 on Christmas:

http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB2.mp3

Someone posted on an AM Stereo list a clip recorded from the Accurian, and it sounds just as good!
 
It's awesome......as long as you are a white guy who likes rock or a soccer mom who digs "safe" pop. For anyone else, its a pretty boring radio market with about as much musical variety as you'd find in Des Moines.
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A pretty accurate description of Boston radio.
 
Ciao said:
It's awesome......as long as you are a white guy who likes rock or a soccer mom who digs "safe" pop. For anyone else, its a pretty boring radio market with about as much musical variety as you'd find in Des Moines.

A pretty accurate description of Boston radio.
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Very funny yet chillingly accurate as well.

:D
 
gees i thought the san francisco radio community was brutal

maybe we all just take for granted what we have
 
Man you guys ARE brutal!
All Hip Hop/Alt-Rock/Top 40/Hot AC stations across the country are playing more or less the same songs in the same rotations. LA is playing just about the same stuff as Boston. So what is sub-par? The imaging? The jocks? Or is it just that you're all "connoisseurs" of radio and get tired of anything after a week or two of listening? Stream an LA station for a month straight - not listening to any other radio - and listening to that station as much as possible - then come back here and complain that Boston radio sucks. Just a thought...
 
jlehmann said:
Believe it or not, 2 (possibly 3 AM Stereo receivers have just hit the market)! Unfortunately they're not advertised as having stereo, but the Radio Shack Accurian HD Radio and the Sangean HDT-1 tuner (which I own) do in fact have AM Stereo.

Here's a clip I recorded of WJIB from the Sangean HDT-1 on Christmas:

http://home.comcast.net/~jjlehmann/WJIB2.mp3

Someone posted on an AM Stereo list a clip recorded from the Accurian, and it sounds just as good!

Wow! I had thought that HD Digital AM was going to be the final nail in the coffin of analog AM Stereo receivers. Who'd have thought they would include analog C-Quam AM Stereo capability in a new HD Digital AM tuner! Without even mentioning it at all!

It looks like those are both available for around $200. How's the (analog) FM reception on the Sangean, selectivity, etc?

Those are both home units. Are there any HD Digital car stereos that also have analog C-Quam AM Stereo hidden in there?
 
radiofriend1 said:
gees i thought the san francisco radio community was brutal

Hang around a little longer and experience the way people drive around here (compared to San Francisco). The way we post on the internet is nothing compared.

The couple of times I visited San Francisco, being a lifelong Boston driver, I thought I was driving among aliens. The drivers were actually stopping and starting when and where they were supposed to! (Same for the pedestrians, which is a chaotic free-for-all here).
 
Eli Polonsky said:
Wow! I had thought that HD Digital AM was going to be the final nail in the coffin of analog AM Stereo receivers. Who'd have thought they would include analog C-Quam AM Stereo capability in a new HD Digital AM tuner! Without even mentioning it at all!

It looks like those are both available for around $200. How's the (analog) FM reception on the Sangean, selectivity, etc?

Those are both home units. Are there any HD Digital car stereos that also have analog C-Quam AM Stereo hidden in there?

I don't beleive that any car units will decode it, but I'm not 100% sure. It's been a while since a new car HD radio has been released. People seem to think that because these new HD tuners are completely software driven, that it was very easy for them to add CQuam decoding without any extra cost.

The FM selectivity on the Sangean HDT-1 is quite good. I'm able to faintly hear 103.5 WQBJ near Albany most of the time if I listen for a few minutes, and this is right next to WODS 21 miles away of course. If WODS had IBOC, this would not be possible. I do have a very good APS-13 FM antenna, which helps a lot. The RDS features in the Sangean are also great. It even decodes the PI code that stations send out of their callsign. Unfortunatly it has trouble decoding WKLB and WODS's PI code for some reason, I think WODS displays as WKG. WBMX is sending the wrong PI code, and it shows as WBOD. All Clear Channel stations have the wrong PI code, I'm told because of some traffic information system that their stations send out via RDS.

Anyway, I bought my HDT-1 at You Do It Electronics in Needham, the price was $199 plus tax.
 
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