Bout time Hot 105.5

[-TJ-]

<font color=3333ff>It took a REAL PD who KNOWS Urban/Rhythmic. Hot shot up to the HIGHEST its ever been.

And it didn't take much. Champaign wanted true hip hop........not Regulators and Gangsta's Paradise. Mainstream programmer Dan didn't get #s. Babyface did. Its that simple.

Great job Babyface. Champaign needed a station to rep for years and you sealed it.

I always said I didn't know why AAA kept 96.1 Mainstream. Now they are going DUHHHHH!

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[ATyler]

Oh Please

"It took a REAL PD who KNOWS Urban/Rhythmic. Hot shot up to the HIGHEST its ever been.

And it didn't take much. Champaign wanted true hip hop........not Regulators and Gangsta's Paradise. Mainstream programmer Dan didn't get #s. Babyface did. Its that simple.

Great job Babyface. Champaign needed a station to rep for years and you sealed it."


Or rather, it took urban book placement for WCZQ to get numbers.. I would GUARANTEE that if you were to look at the broken down numbers, you would see a very high rate of black book placement. As a former staff member of that radio station, I believe that Hot 105.5 sounds awful when you actually sit down and listen to it... imaging... music... jocks.... Show me another book like this one, and then I MIGHT be a believer in Jamie's programming abilities. He's done this everywhere else he's been, also... a strong book, but then an immediate decline.

Need I remind you that in Dan's last book, WCZQ hit its previous best of 5.9, but then immediately sank to a 4.4? Where's your praise of Jamie Pendleton now?

For that matter, are you even IN Champaign? Looking at your previous posts, I see a lot of posts about stations in Memphis... I would venture a guess that you are NOT a C-U resident, you never heard Hot 105-5 (as in, Hot 105 FIVE... this Hot 105 point 5 crap is really stupid... Jamie just wanted to slap his own brand on the station) on a consistent basis while Dan was programming it. I'd venture a guess that you are friends with Jamie and you've been spoon fed your "information," which of course is going to make Jamie sound like a star.

I would also point out that this kind of spike upwards in the ratings during the Spring book is not unusual with WCZQ..

Fall 2003 = 3.8
Spring 2004 = 5.9
Fall 2004 = 4.4
Spring 2005 = (won't post it, due to restrictions on quoting current numbers)

So, as I said above, show me this same number in the Fall, and then I MIGHT come around to the "Babyface Fan Club." Until then, this book means nothing to me.

Not as if it matters, though... NextMedia-Decatur, I have it from an inside source there, has been sold... most likely to Cumulus. If that is, in fact, accurate, don't look for Hot 105.5 to continue any kind of success. Cumulus doesn't have a clue when it comes to Urban.


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Aaron Tyler
Afternoons / MD
WVZA / Marion - Carbondale, IL
www.kissfm927.com

Weekends / Swing
KSLZ / St. Louis
WAKZ / Youngstown, OH

Former Air Talent
WCZQ / Decatur - Champaign
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[adz]

Re: Oh Please

>>
> >
> Not as if it matters, though... NextMedia-Decatur, I have it
> from an inside source there, has been sold... most likely to
> Cumulus. If that is, in fact, accurate, don't look for Hot
> 105.5 to continue any kind of success. Cumulus doesn't have
> a clue when it comes to Urban.

If NextMedia is selling, maybe Skip and the Gestapo finally figured out that Decatur is little more than a hole..God, what an awful, dangerous, pathetic place..why in hell they ever thought they could make money there was a mystery to me...

With NextMedia's purchase of two Infinity Spinoffs in San Jose, I wonder if their strategy of suburban markets is being junked in favor of going to much larger areas and trying to make a go of it..
>

 

[Babyface]

Re: Oh Please

> Or rather, it took urban book placement for WCZQ to get
> numbers.. I would GUARANTEE that if you were to look at the
> broken down numbers, you would see a very high rate of black
> book placement.

LoL.... Urban Book Placement..... the books will fall where they fall, different places every Fall And Spring..... (..see programming package)

It's Funny how everyone screams Hot 105.5 is a Urban Station.... Magic 1050 AM is a urban station, WBCP is an urban station..... WGCI is a urban station. WCZQ is a CHR-RHY...

> Need I remind you that in Dan's last book, WCZQ hit its
> previous best of 5.9, but then immediately sank to a 4.4?
> Where's your praise of Jamie Pendleton now?

Dan did a great job... considering that The station had no marketing tools... No Station Vehicle, No Banners, No Affective Logo or Website... He did an incredible job..... Now with the proper tools and street presence Hot 105.5 is a visible radio station. As far as the 5.9 to a 4.4 it was a 1.5 drop... 12+.... look into the big picture... a brand new Afternoon Guy/PD and a brand new Night Guy both pulled a #1 shifts.... this set the stage for a strong Spring...

> resident, you never heard Hot 105-5 (as in, Hot 105 FIVE...
> this Hot 105 point 5 crap is really stupid...

Considering that your are in Radio... You need to know alittle more about Arbitron... what happens if someone puts 105 on a diary... Instead of 105.5

There happens to be a 105.1 in Decatur... I am a greedy PD, I want it all Champaign - Decatur - hell I'll take some of Bloomington and Normal if I can get some more wattage!! You can never leave the oppertunity to loose a diary in a small market... As far is being a C-U resident... your obviously not one... if you were, you would notice our radio stations growth and presence in the area in the past year...

> I would also point out that this kind of spike upwards in
> the ratings during the Spring book is not unusual with
> WCZQ..

> Fall 2003 = 3.8
> Spring 2004 = 5.9
> Fall 2004 = 4.4
> Spring 2005 = (won't post it, due to restrictions on quoting
> current numbers)

Chry/Rhy trend up every Spring and Fall.... The key is too stop the bleeding trend of the fall, so you can spring up in the spring. When you have a young age based station... and you are in a two book market.. You have to know that there are not enough School Holidays etc in the Fall, In the Spring there is spring break and more... thats one of the reasons for the national trending. I will not quote current C/U numbers..... but check out who is Number 1.. 18 to 34 in Champaign this spring and get back with me....

> So, as I said above, show me this same number in the Fall,
> and then I MIGHT come around to the "Babyface Fan Club."
> Until then, this book means nothing to me.

Former Employees Really Hate It When They Miss The Bus..... And sorry were not being sold... and not too many ownership changes make a difference when you have people that have a clue...

Listen and Learn My Afternoon MD Apprentice... You too can defeat the Darkside...

In the meantime... I'll be celebrating with my staff!!

lol

 

[-TJ-]

Re: Oh Please

<font color=3333ff>So sorry to diss your "friend and colleague" Arron, but Top 40 Mainstream is farrrrr different from Urban and CHR/Rhythmic. WRTS and WVZA are different than KPTY, KBXX, KMRK, etc. Montana, Minneapolis, and PA are completely different than Houston and Odessa.

LOL @ the "Jamie bandwagon." You obviously had a hard time trying to do Urban/Rhythmic.... how about It's NOT Top 40 Mainstream??? They probably told you that you are not the sound that the station wants.

Here is someone who has much more experience in Urban/Rhythmic. And the numbers prove it. Besides that, if Cumulus did purchase Next Media decatur, it STILL doesn't matter simply because Hot 105.5 is the Urban/Rhythmic flagship for Champ-Urbana. Cumulus could leave the station alone and it would still be on top by default. The market has needed it for a very long time. WBCP simply didn't have the signal.

Don't you think it's AMAZING that such a little rimshot signal that fades into town just below Paxton, IL and fades out half way to Decatur KILLED such a POWERHOUSE signal aka a la 96.1?

Years ago I said that 96.1 should have gone Urban/Rhythmic, but they decided to play it safe with Mainstream and now they are going DUH! Makes no sense since AAA has Power 92 in Bloomington/Peoria, flipped it to Mainstream for a good 10 months, and then went back to Rhythmic. I think that says something.

Hot 105.5 MUST be doing something right, PERIOD. It's what the people want. And don't give me this "its a black book thing" since we all know the story that white people make up the highest purchasers of Hip Hop and R&B.

Thank you and goodnight.
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[Babyface]

Re: Oh Please

Thanks!!

I'll by you a drink next time I see ya.... Hard Work Really Pays Off!

 

[-TJ-]

I had to read it again... missed a couple of things.

">For that matter, are you even IN Champaign? Looking at your
> previous posts, I see a lot of posts about stations in
> Memphis... I would venture a guess that you are NOT a C-U
> resident,"

<font color=3333ff>Nope, not in C-U. Not in Memphis either. I have ties to C-U. How else would I know about Paxton, Rantoul, C-U, Fisher, etc etc.
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"> you never heard Hot 105-5 ..... on a consistent
> basis while Dan was programming it. "

<font color=3333ff>
Instead of telling me that I never heard, how about say "Did you ever hear?" That would be a much better approach. Yes, I've heard "Hot One Oh FIIIIIIIIIIIVE - FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE" and that horrible imaging. Syndicated mornings and afternoons. One or two staff members, a lame logo and no promotions.
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"(as in, Hot 105 FIVE...
> this Hot 105 point 5 crap is really stupid... Jamie just
> wanted to slap his own brand on the station)"

<font color=3333ff>
If you've noticed throughout the years, Clear Channel has switched most of their station names to include the "POINT." These days with digital tuners, it's foolish not to say the whole frequency even if it's harder to say it with a graceful flow on the air. (hard to believe there used to be analog tuners huh? Remember those... probably not.) It's merely arbitron focused when stations decide to call out there frequency PROPERLY. Learn learn, small market lad.
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"> I'd venture a guess
> that you are friends with Jamie and you've been spoon fed
> your "information," which of course is going to make Jamie
> sound like a star."

<font color=3333ff>
Wrong venture. Nope, don't know Jamie at all. I know he came from a Top 10 market. I used to listen to 97-9 The Box when it was Stopless Music and the hottest station in Houston. I know where he came from and I know where he is now. I only make my judgements by my own findings...aka listening and researching. That's what radio geeks do, aint it? I can think independently on my own thank you.
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"> Not as if it matters, though... NextMedia-Decatur, I have it from an inside
> source there, has been sold... most likely to Cumulus. If that is, in fact,
> accurate, don't look for Hot 105.5 to continue any kind of success. Cumulus
> doesn't have a clue when it comes to Urban. "

<font color=3333ff>
I remember always hearing things from "inside sources." Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. You gotta great inside source being 5 hours away from Next Media and working for Clear Channel. LOL! Even the best people that rely on "inside sources" sometimes look stupid..... AllAccess reporters, Robert Feder, UrbanInsite. I don't believe things until they happen. Speculation is too many "what-ifs"
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P.S. Don't you just love my blue font? I knew you would. Yep, I'm a pimp in my own mind. (Oh sorry, you don't know about that song, Mr. Top 40.) Next time your in the area we can meet up on Delmar and Kings? Nah, you wouldn't go in that area. That's ok.
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[-TJ-]

Correction..

> It's Funny how everyone screams Hot 105.5 is a Urban
> Station.... Magic 1050 AM is a urban station, WBCP is an
> urban station..... WGCI is a urban station. WCZQ is a
> CHR-RHY...

<font color=3333ff>WBCP and WDZ are Urban AC ;-)
WCZQ is a CHR/Rhythimc. (Wups, I knew that!)
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[djdaveisaacs]

ahh what springfield could learn from Hot 105.5

First off let me just say that im not an idiot when it comes to radio haveing done my time at some stations here in springfield...but now i spend my time just spinning in the clubs here and doing imaging on the side.

Now for what i think about Hot 105.5

It is doing its thing...and it is doing it right...any station that cant even be picked up in springfield but has banners in springfield clubs is definatly doing something right.

Some stations cant even get their listeners to drive across town to a remote but Hot 105.5 has their listeners driveing to events in springfield. Everytime there is a concert at Club 217 Hot 105.5 is there with their listeners that drove from champaign and decatur. It is Crazy.

Springfield has missed the mark. I was told by people at both radio groups that i used to work for that an Urban station WILL NOT WORK IN SPRINGFIELD. The GM's here in town need to get past well...the past...It is time to move on in this market...the first radio group that has the balls to start an Urban station in this town is going to make some money...Springfield is ready for it...To bad Springfield wont take the risk that next media took.

 

[ATyler]

Springfield and Urban/Rhythmic

"Springfield has missed the mark. I was told by people at both radio groups that i used to work for that an Urban station WILL NOT WORK IN SPRINGFIELD. The GM's here in town need to get past well...the past...It is time to move on in this market...the first radio group that has the balls to start an Urban station in this town is going to make some money...Springfield is ready for it...To bad Springfield wont take the risk that next media took."


All very valid points, my friend. It will just depend on who gets the guts to do it first... Saga won't do it, unless they jump on board the thought train of a few other companies and feel that the Oldies audience is dying out too rapidly to make sticking with Cool 101.9 a viable option. I would have thought that this station would be the likely "Jack" candidate, until Mix did it with "Abe."

Clear Channel could do it, but that would mean getting rid of WCVS.. Eh, a possibility, but it would depend on how that station bills. Plus, with KISS already on the other edge of the circle (if you live in Springfield, you understand the reference), does CC- SPI want to take a chance on having two "young" formatted stations in their mix, with only WFMB-AM/FM to aim at the upper-end audience? My guess would be NO. That being said, you could blow up KISS in its current state and come back on with a straight ahead Rhythmic/Urban, a la what happened in Dayton a few months back with 94.5 KISSFM stunting for about 7 - 10 days, then coming back onto the air with the "Channel 9-4-5" moniker. You could do something similar, but instead of being balanced like WDKF is, focus it Rhythmic/Urban... That means NO 3 Doors Down, NO Papa Roach, NO Lifehouse, NO Simple Plan, etc... Which I'm not sure they would be comfortable with, to be honest. But that's my thought..

Midwest... hmmm... What's the weak link in their chain? The River. It would make perfect sense for this to be the sacrificial lamb, EXCEPT for a rather weak signal. Plus, does Midwest even DO Rhythmic/Urban? I don't know of a station that they own that is in that format...

Just my thoughts... Good post, Dave.<P ID="signature">______________
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[-TJ-]

Re: Springfield and Urban/Rhythmic

<font color=3333ff>I always wondered why Springfield never had one. Now I see. I can't STAND that kind of mentality.

Ya know what it really is? It's the GM and the SALESPEOPLE who don't understand the format and don't know HOW to sell it. I even see Power 92 Peoria advertise events in Springfield. Didn't Do or Die or Crucial Conflict go there recently?

Such a shame for the people in Springfield.
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[djdaveisaacs]

Re: Springfield and Urban/Rhythmic

Not only did they advertise the do or die and crucial conflict...Power also i believe advertised the Mike Jones and Twista concerts that were here. But i totaly agree with your statements about the GM's and about 90% of the sales people. It would be very hard for the GM's here to grasp the Urban when they are having trouble totaly grasping the CHR format. As for the sales people i would have to say the sales manager at CC, having worked with her before at the radio station and after with some events, could totaly sell an Urban Formated station.