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BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorganize

Re: BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorga

fred flintstone said:
The "Managing Editor" sent me a PM threatening to move this entire thread to Off-Air. 14 pages and 138 posts. Most of them on point contributions to the topic. But the usual suspects still try to throw a monkey wrench into the works with their usual attacks and insults (given unwitting help by those who reply and give the disruptors an excuse to continue). Now, the moderators have decided it's too much trouble to deal with this problem directly. So they are saying they will kick this thread over to the p___fest board, and let those who revel in childish political argument have their way.

I run this same software on my own site, and I would call the managing editor's attention to a feature called Split Topics. Those posts that cross the line can be moved, intact, to Off the Air as a new thread, while leaving the rest of the discussion alone. Allowing posts to be moved to OTA when they go political gives a powerful tool to the political thread jammers, who will learn they can get rid of any thread they don't like by simply polluting it to the point where the whole thing gets moved.
 
My apologies to Fred regarding an entire thread being moved if the discussion veers offtopic. To clarify the issue, individual POSTS will be moved if they stray off the board topic. Sorry for the confusion.

I understand Phillip Dampier's concerns. I, too, don't want various threads to be a magnet for thread hijackers. Phillip, thanks for voicing your concerns. We're glad for your input. If someone chooses to try and hijack a thread, then we'll move the posts if need be and take stronger action if the problem persists. I personally appreciate the suggestion about splitting the topic. We've obviously already deployed that tool as off topic posts have already been moved.

As you can see, even Fred has moved this thread off topic to address issues that are better dealt with in the Ask Radio Info board. I'll ask that future questions about this policy be directed to that forum.

Now back to the discussion about radio...
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorga

Managing Board Editor said:
My apologies to Fred regarding an entire thread being moved if the discussion veers offtopic. To clarify the issue, individual POSTS will be moved if they stray off the board topic. Sorry for the confusion.

I understand Phillip Dampier's concerns. I, too, don't want various threads to be a magnet for thread hijackers. Phillip, thanks for voicing your concerns. We're glad for your input. If someone chooses to try and hijack a thread, then we'll move the posts if need be and take stronger action if the problem persists. I personally appreciate the suggestion about splitting the topic. We've obviously already deployed that tool as off topic posts have already been moved.

As you can see, even Fred has moved this thread off topic to address issues that are better dealt with in the Ask Radio Info board. I'll ask that future questions about this policy be directed to that forum.

Now back to the discussion about radio...

Sorry that my post seemed to move this thread off topic. My purpose was to remind people you guys are watching this thread and have concerns about where it might be going. I know how tempting it is to respond to "hijack" posts in kind. But when we respond to hijack posts - any response - we feed the beast and risk losing the thread to radio discussion. My purpose was to encourage people instead to ignore hijack posts and make a point to bring the discussion back to radio.

That said...

It seems like things have settled down on this story. AAR is doing whatever reorganizing they are going to do and we probably won't hear much. Probably some people will get fired. Other - less visible cutbacks - may occur (i.e., no taxis, people have to go back to the subway).

The progressive talk stations have not made programming changes in response to this and some managers have publicly said they don't intend to (at least not yet). Peter Werbe, is still being treated as a temp, and will lose clearance in Phoenix in two weeks to the new Newcomb-Drobny "network" (The Newbie Broadcasting System), but that is about it. I'd expect some stations still carrying Seder may continue, one by one, to pick up Stephanie Miller. Some taking Werbe may pick up Lionel, as well. But that's been happening for a while. These are programming decisions and don't have much to do with AAR's finances.

The larger concern should be that - based on the markets for which the Summer book has already been released - progressive talk ratings continue to slide, especially on what were some of the stronger stations in the format. Conventional wisdom was that moving toward an election, people would listen to political talk (including progressive talk) more. The Summer survey period ended in late September and the numbers don't show that happening.
 
On Monday and yesterday, Randi spent at least an hour on AAR's bankruptcy. She took several cat swipes at TeamGlaser for allowing the network to file (and she claimed she had an inkling in the last two weeks based on a flurry of activity from suits in the building) in the first place. Here are her main points, and some interesting insider stuff:

1) That AAR has lost money for two years pales in comparison to the stunning losses Fox News and MSNBC had to deal with for 5+ years after they started operation. The former lost more than $80 million and had to buy their way on most cable systems, who had no interest in the network at the outset. MSNBC had the financial power of GE and Microsoft to sustain its losses. That AAR would lose money on a full service network startup is not unexpected. Allowing the network to go Chapter 11 because of a takeover power play by Glaser and his high paid lawyer is.

2) She despises Glaser's high paid lawyer, repeating the Drobny's own assertions (and attacks) on him for grabbing $200,000 for himself in just the last few weeks in legal fees. The bankruptcy was orchestrated by Glaser, but she also lays blame at AAR management for their own decisions. We are now also starting to hear her disdain for "people who play radio and don't know what they are doing," and in context with the rest of her discussion, she is attacking AAR management for stupidity in running the company, and the overpriced "star talent" AAR hired in the first place who don't know a thing about how to run a radio show. This is classic Randi. She has made side-swipes at Franken and the other "stars" who got bigger pay while delivering fewer listeners before, but never with this much clarity and attention.

3) Randi Rhodes is building a studio in her home in W Palm Beach, a very clear indication she is not going to hang around NYC much longer. She wasn't on the air Friday in part to get her contracting work organized to get the studio built, so it's clearly a priority for her.

4) She approves of Nova M and took another opportunity to slash AAR management for firing Mike Malloy. She is even promoting the return of Mike Malloy to radio at the expense of AAR's own late night offering, the invisible Peter Werbe. This is a clear indication she is far more in the Drobny's corner than in Glaser's.

5) She is personally calling affiliates and even some agencies and supporters who came in because of her show to reassure them that she is not going off the air. She attacked AAR for not coming out first with the story of the bankruptcy instead of allowing it to leak to the media earlier in the day and then not talking about it on the air before everyone else did.

Randi Rhodes is telegraphing to her listeners and fans that she is the master of her own domain, and she's demanded and won the same kinds of concessions Franken got when he moved his show to Minnesota and she wants to get back to Florida. She's also made it clear she reserves the right to attack AAR management anytime she pleases, and if they don't like it, too bad. She'll take her show elsewhere if necessary because she feels she has earned enough clout to not have to sit around and listen to people who don't have the first clue how to run a radio outfit. She's told them to shut up and stay out of her way.

She is still extremely pissed about AAR caving in on Malloy, and she suggested it was not because of a money issue, but rather the protestations of a sponsor or an affiliate (which may have had an angry sponsor).

And, most impressively of all, her salary has been paid in full and she is not owed any salary money in the recent bankruptcy. She read the tea leaves during the last contract renegotiation. Evidently if she's paid late even once, she can walk tomorrow. Smart woman.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorga

If Glaser has brain cell one in his head, he should devote himself to Randi's total joy, happiness and satisfaction. She is the best draw they have. If she jumps, that's the ballgame for AAR in its current form.

If Randi can break her contract, she might well be thinking of jumping to Newbie Radio. Jones might be a possibility, and if she has a smart agent, they are talking to both. Her affinity for Malloy would be a plus in Mike and Sheldon's column. Randi's presence could put Newcomb-Drobny on the progressive talk map. Add Peter B. Collins (who seems to have a connection with Newcomb), and maybe Hartmann (AAR doesn't seem to be doing a lot for him) and they might just have something.

Did Randi actually use the term "master of her domain?" Maybe she doesn't watch Seinfeld. ::)

Dear Randi: When you move back to West Palm, please - please - don't go on the air and call it "Southern Command." ;D

Yes, Fox and MSNBC lost money. Salem news-talk is probably losing money, too. The difference is they had other revenue streams to subsidize their losses. And AAR threw money away in all sorts of ways they did not need to. They could have created the same on-air product for a lot less money.
 
Meanwhile, What About Al?

This item appears on Inside Radio:
How long is Al Franken sticking around Air America?

We hear that question came up strongly on a conference call with affiliates. Al’s contract is supposedly up in December and his move to Minnesota and enthusiastic fundraising for his Midwest Values PAC have not escaped the attention of Air America stations – who’ve watched the venture file Chapter 11.

Note: The owner of 25 AAR (and Al Franken) "affilated stations" also owns Inside Radio.

And Al is one of AAR's biggest "creditors." Under the circumstances, we wouldn't likely stay on AAR for the money. His show is carried on KTNF in Minneapolis-St. Paul (with a one-point-something shares in recent books). The question probably is can he do more for his candidacy after the holidays by being on the radio or by raising money and campaigning? As an unannounced candidate, he can probably get more radio cume by going on other people's radio shows in the state.

If Al does not re-up or extend his contract, AAR is in position where if Hartmann doesn't get the slot for which has been waiting patiently (and being the good soldier filling in for everybody else), then Thom starts looking around, too. But given management's past performance, they may well try to (1) Hire some expensive "name" from outside radio or (2) Hire somebody's friend. It's not only typical of AAR, it's typical of much of the radio industry now.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorga

fred flintstone said:
Peter Werbe, is still being treated as a temp, and will lose clearance in Phoenix in two weeks to the new Newcomb-Drobny "network" (The Newbie Broadcasting System), but that is about it. I'd expect some stations still carrying Seder may continue, one by one, to pick up Stephanie Miller. Some taking Werbe may pick up Lionel, as well.

Peter Werbe has been off AAR for three weeks now. The new late night "interim host" on AAR is Jon Ellliott.
 
After reading this and other posts on this matter, I think that is safe to say that AAR is sinking fast. The question is not whether AAR will fold but when. Liberal talk radio will definately survive -- with top hosts working with a variety of syndicators -- e.g. Nova M, Jones, and Product First.

Phillip Dampier said:
On Monday and yesterday, Randi spent at least an hour on AAR's bankruptcy. She took several cat swipes at TeamGlaser for allowing the network to file (and she claimed she had an inkling in the last two weeks based on a flurry of activity from suits in the building) in the first place. Here are her main points, and some interesting insider stuff:

1) That AAR has lost money for two years pales in comparison to the stunning losses Fox News and MSNBC had to deal with for 5+ years after they started operation. The former lost more than $80 million and had to buy their way on most cable systems, who had no interest in the network at the outset. MSNBC had the financial power of GE and Microsoft to sustain its losses. That AAR would lose money on a full service network startup is not unexpected. Allowing the network to go Chapter 11 because of a takeover power play by Glaser and his high paid lawyer is.

2) She despises Glaser's high paid lawyer, repeating the Drobny's own assertions (and attacks) on him for grabbing $200,000 for himself in just the last few weeks in legal fees. The bankruptcy was orchestrated by Glaser, but she also lays blame at AAR management for their own decisions. We are now also starting to hear her disdain for "people who play radio and don't know what they are doing," and in context with the rest of her discussion, she is attacking AAR management for stupidity in running the company, and the overpriced "star talent" AAR hired in the first place who don't know a thing about how to run a radio show. This is classic Randi. She has made side-swipes at Franken and the other "stars" who got bigger pay while delivering fewer listeners before, but never with this much clarity and attention.

3) Randi Rhodes is building a studio in her home in W Palm Beach, a very clear indication she is not going to hang around NYC much longer. She wasn't on the air Friday in part to get her contracting work organized to get the studio built, so it's clearly a priority for her.

4) She approves of Nova M and took another opportunity to slash AAR management for firing Mike Malloy. She is even promoting the return of Mike Malloy to radio at the expense of AAR's own late night offering, the invisible Peter Werbe. This is a clear indication she is far more in the Drobny's corner than in Glaser's.

5) She is personally calling affiliates and even some agencies and supporters who came in because of her show to reassure them that she is not going off the air. She attacked AAR for not coming out first with the story of the bankruptcy instead of allowing it to leak to the media earlier in the day and then not talking about it on the air before everyone else did.

Randi Rhodes is telegraphing to her listeners and fans that she is the master of her own domain, and she's demanded and won the same kinds of concessions Franken got when he moved his show to Minnesota and she wants to get back to Florida. She's also made it clear she reserves the right to attack AAR management anytime she pleases, and if they don't like it, too bad. She'll take her show elsewhere if necessary because she feels she has earned enough clout to not have to sit around and listen to people who don't have the first clue how to run a radio outfit. She's told them to shut up and stay out of her way.

She is still extremely pissed about AAR caving in on Malloy, and she suggested it was not because of a money issue, but rather the protestations of a sponsor or an affiliate (which may have had an angry sponsor).

And, most impressively of all, her salary has been paid in full and she is not owed any salary money in the recent bankruptcy. She read the tea leaves during the last contract renegotiation. Evidently if she's paid late even once, she can walk tomorrow. Smart woman.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorga

Interesting how so many people who have no idea about running radio are running radio these days.

We are all talking about the mismanagement and faulty decisions at AA, but take a look at CBS Radio these days. David Lee Roth as Stern's replacement? How about dropping WCBS-FM's long-running format? Yes, the station was downtrending, but it was still right up there in the top tier of New York stations. I understand from industry reports that CBS-FM billings are down 20 million dollars from last year at this time. How about "Blink" on WNEW? Or this new talk station "Free FM"? All three of these stations are rated UNDER WQXR, the Classical Music Station!

You know, people talk about satellite radio and internet audio feeds and iPods as cutting into radio.

But my God, between AA's amateur staging and business plan and the once-great CBS radio's recent boneheaded programming decisions,
traditional radio seems their own worst ememy.
 
Re: BREAKING NEWS: AAR Has Just Declared Chapter 11 - Staying On Air-Will Reorga

HHH said:
Interesting how so many people who have no idea about running radio are running radio these days.

...traditional radio seems their own worst ememy.

Nothing new in that. Local radio is rife with stories about car dealers, beer distributors or somebody's wife taking over stations and making move that go way past dumb - all the way to insane. And this would include some who used radio to advance some personal or political agenda.

Even people who know something about running radio have made major screw-ups. Even, off the top of my head, Bill Paley.

Radio is also a crap-shoot. Even people who know radio, and made well-thought-out decisions, can have things go South. The surprising thing, is sometimes somebody does something right, and it works.

AAR's main management flaw is hubris. They've had all sorts of indication things were not working, but they ignored all of them.
 
Drobny: AAR in Talks with Randy Michaels

AAR co-founder Sheldon Drobny says in the Huffington Post that he offered AAR a deal to keep them out of bankruptcy. He says P1's Randy Michaels has been talking with AAR since the filing.

he interesting thing is that Clear Channel is taking liberal talk radio very seriously and had at least 25 of their stations broadcasting AAR content. Clear Channel distributes the Jerry Springer Show and Randy Michaels, former CEO of Clear Channel Radio Division, is syndicating Ed Schultz and was in conversation with AAR before they declared bankruptcy. I offered AAR a deal to save them from bankruptcy. Randy Michaels was looking to do something with AAR after they filed bankruptcy and may be negotiating with them as we speak. Neither Randy Michaels not Clear Channel are liberal idealogues (read more - Sheldon Drobny)

Drobny also appears to be attempting to re-position progressive talk radio (the name Clear Channel gave the format) to "non-conservative radio." He says, "The next step for non-conservative radio is for programming to appear on the tier 1 more powerful stations which attract much larger audiences. It is our plan at Nova M Radio to appeal to stations like WABC and KABC as well as many 50KW stations to broadcast good entertaining content. And our goal at Nova M Radio is to speak truth to power whether they be Democrats or Republicans."

Drobny says Clear Channel's 25 progressive talk stations, Randy Michael's interest in AAR (earlier, he reportedly was in talks to take over New York's WLIB) and recent buzz for MSNBC's Keith Olbermann Show are signs of industry interest in what he now calls "non-conservative" talk. Maybe Drobny thinks by down-playing the liberal or progressive labels, by appearing more independent and less ideology-driven, he can broaden the appeal of the format to top performing talkers (most of which have all or mostly conservative programming) and to listeners disenchanted with the current administration but not part of the liberal "choir." Early experience in political talk indicated liberal shows did not perform well in a mixed format with conservative talkers. Early-on, AAR pushed for "lib-talk" (the name often used in the media) as its own distinct format. Drobny may now be reversing that strategy, given that the progressive talk is mostly programmed on flea-bite and weak stick AM stations. He appears to be saying he plans to try to place "Lib-talk Lite" on traditional and dominant talkers. However, is only talent so far is Mike Malloy. Unless Malloy makes major changes to his act, it is questionable he can be sold to blow-torch stations as a "kinder-gentler," more independent "non-conservative" host.

Possibly related, Drobny also complains some in the Democratic Party leadership do not want progressive talk radio to survive. "We got no help from any power brokers and strategists either in the DNC or DLC," he says. (At the same time, Randi Rhodes has criticized Ed Schultz for accepting "help" from the party. Is this indignation or jealousy?)
 
Court Appoints Unsecured Creditor Reps In Air America Bankruptcy

All Access said:
The U.S. TRUSTEE's office has appointed AL FRANKEN's producer BILLY KIMBALL, former affiliate DIAMOND BROADCASTING, and AFTRA as representatives of unsecured creditors in AIR AMERICA RADIO's bankruptcy case.

The network owes KIMBALL $84,893 in back pay, DIAMOND, which owns former affiliate KSAC-A/SACRAMENTO, is owed a disputed $500,000, and AFTRA's Health and Retirement Fund is owed $42,293.84 (also disputed).

While the bankruptcy filing says AAR owes Kimball close to $85 thousand in back pay, his annual salary reportedly is (or was) $600 thousnad. His bio indicates he is a former cable TV show producer and TV sitcom writer (including Franken's cult sitcom LateLine). He had no prior talk radio experience. He continues to produce Franken's show from Minneapolis.

AFTRA (American Federation of Television and Radio Artists) is the union representing TV and radio performers, however reported salaries for AAR talent far exceed union scale.

KSAC, "Talk City 1240AM," was AAR's original affiliate in Sacramento until AAR pulled the affiliation and went with another station. Talk City continues to operate as an independent progressive talk station with a line-up including Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz, Peter B. Collins, Doug Basham and a local show with former TV anchor Christine Craft (the plaintiff in a widely reported discrimination suit against her TV employer).

At least two of the three can be expected to play hardball with AAR. We probably have not heard the last from Sheldon Drobny in this matter, either.
 
AAR Chap 11 is headache for local radio exec.

Sacramento Bee said:
Painful Air America fallout
Local broadcasting owner Paula Nelson just wants her money, close to $1 million by her estimate.

How much she'll get -- or whether she'll be paid at all -- in the Air America Radio bankruptcy reorganization case remains to be seen.

Nelson is chief executive officer and president of Sacramento-based Diamond Broadcasting, which owns radio station Talk City KSAC, 1240 AM. ... "I hope we can get what's owed to us, so we can move forward," Nelson said.
http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/44965.html

The story adds AAR was broadcast on KSAC until last November, when it switched to KCTC, 1320 AM citing KCTC's stronger signal and ability to reach outlying cities.

But in a Sacramento Bee story in October 2005, Nelson said the relationship between Talk City and AAR had eroded and that the network had turned its back on the Sacramento station, even though KSAC built a following for AAR's programming. The Bee quotes Nelson as saying, "I put a tremendous amount of resources building up their profile in Sacramento. I convinced them they could get a following. Now, they snub their noses at us and go to another station."

The Bee says the split became "personal." But also quotes station owner Nelson as saying, ""No hard feelings on my part. I just want my money."

This, of course, is not the only time AAR management has shafted affiliates, listeners, employees or partners. Sirius Satellite Radio was an early supporter of AAR, the only one of the two satellite radio providers to give the fledgling network a full-time channel, air its complete schedule and promote it heavily. After a little more than a year, AAR pulled its feed from Sirius and signed an exclusive "money" deal with rival XM, without apparent regard for listeners who subscribed to Sirius to hear AAR.
 
Re: Court Appoints Unsecured Creditor Reps In Air America Bankruptcy

fred flintstone said:
While the bankruptcy filing says AAR owes Kimball close to $85 thousand in back pay, his annual salary reportedly is (or was) $600 thousnad. His bio indicates he is a former cable TV show producer and TV sitcom writer (including Franken's cult sitcom LateLine). He had no prior talk radio experience. He continues to produce Franken's show from Minneapolis.

You forgot to mention that tidbit was "reported" by the Unequalizer from one of his amazing "sources" which have repeatedly fed him enough bad information to make intelligent people realize the only "source" he has is himself. AAR denied it as well and Stephanie Miller laughed about it saying NOBODY in this industry is paid that kind of salary to produce a show. Randi laughed at it as well saying if it was anything close to that, she'd be screaming on the air about it.

In fact, the ONLY one saying it is true is the guy who made it up.

At least two of the three can be expected to play hardball with AAR. We probably have not heard the last from Sheldon Drobny in this matter, either.

Drobny is out. He's doing Nova M starting next week when Malloy starts up (and that is going to be radio insider gold to listen to that, especially if he tells-all about AAR on Monday). AAR is consolidating around Rob Glaser who could make the entire thing go away by writing a check.
 
Re: Court Appoints Unsecured Creditor Reps In Air America Bankruptcy

Phillip Dampier said:
You forgot to mention that tidbit was "reported" by the Unequalizer from one of his amazing "sources" which have repeatedly fed him enough bad information to make intelligent people realize the only "source" he has is himself.

Since AAR did lose WLIB, has let people go and has declared bankruptcy, Maloney's batting average is looking pretty good (much as I hate to say so). He does tend to write as if something will happen immediately, but allowing for a time-lag, much of what he has said has come to pass.

AAR is consolidating around Rob Glaser who could make the entire thing go away by writing a check.

Still wearing those rose-colored glasses when you look at AAR? Rob is/was/has been much of the problem - much as he might now try to present himself as "the solution." The decline of Real Networks does not offer much reason to be optimistic about his ability to turn-around AAR. And do you really think Rob will "make the entire thing go away by writing a check?" He didn't get that rich by being that stupid. Besides he's already tossed more than enough into the money pit.

Mel Brooks said:
Max Bialystock: The two cardinal rules of producing. One: Never put your own money in the show.
Leo Bloom: And two?
Max Bialystock: [yelling] Never put your own money in the show!

AAR is in the ICU. It's condition is critical. If and when it dies, Maloney's batting average will increase again (and he will become even more intolerable). I won't expect you to acknowledge he was right, because you won't. I'm not making any flat out predictions but neither would I bet any money on AAR continuing as an independent entity. But I do expect progressive talk will do just fine without them (maybe better without attention being constantly focused on all their screw ups).
 
Re: Court Appoints Unsecured Creditor Reps In Air America Bankruptcy

fred flintstone said:
Since AAR did lose WLIB, has let people go and has declared bankruptcy, Maloney's batting average is looking pretty good (much as I hate to say so). He does tend to write as if something will happen immediately, but allowing for a time-lag, much of what he has said has come to pass.

A broken clock is also right twice a day.
 
Re: Court Appoints Unsecured Creditor Reps In Air America Bankruptcy

fred flintstone said:
Since AAR did lose WLIB, has let people go and has declared bankruptcy, Maloney's batting average is looking pretty good (much as I hate to say so). He does tend to write as if something will happen immediately, but allowing for a time-lag, much of what he has said has come to pass.

His "prediction" that WLIB was imminently kicking off Air America was six months early, for all the wrong reasons, along with his bankruptcy prediction which he didn't even make himself - that came from Think Progress - he just repeated it. Much of what he has said has not come to pass at all. It's amazing how gullible you are when it comes to accepting blogs, particularly those with an axe to grind, as reliable sources. It's one of the reasons why I have to take your own reports with a grain of salt.

Still wearing those rose-colored glasses when you look at AAR? Rob is/was/has been much of the problem - much as he might now try to present himself as "the solution." The decline of Real Networks does not offer much reason to be optimistic about his ability to turn-around AAR. And do you really think Rob will "make the entire thing go away by writing a check?" He didn't get that rich by being that stupid. Besides he's already tossed more than enough into the money pit.

That's your characterization. And if he does elect to assume control of the network, take it out of bankruptcy and keep things running, I'm sure you'll complain about that too. :)
 
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