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Bridge Ratings on HD

Market Penetration: Bridge Ratings

June 06//May 07

Terrestrial Radio: 93.5//93.7%
Cell Phones: 75.2//78.3%
MP3 Players: 30.1//30.4%
Internet Radio (all): 19//21%
Satellite Radio: 4.6//4.8%
HD Radio: 0.001//0.0015%

Sobering numbers.

What's preventing them from listening more? "Poor broadcast content" is the number one most mentioned reason, referring to the lack of programming options that appeal to these users of HD radio. Traditional radio devoted significant dollars to marketing and building their HD offerings during 2006, but clearly the potential audience does not find most of the programming options to be worthy of high time-spent-listening.

Satellite Radio led all media with almost 21 hours TSL.

INTENTET TO LISTEN MORE:

Owners of HD radios showed the largest decrease in this category, from 47 to 40%. Internet Radio saw the greatest increase in "Intent to Listen".

http://www.bridgeratings.com/
 
Anyone know the methodology they used to arrive at these numbers?
 
fritobandito said:
Anyone know the methodology they used to arrive at these numbers?

"The Nuts and Bolts of Powerful Surveys..."

"Bridge Rating's research call center has been an industry leader for over 20 years. California Survey Research Services, Inc. (CSRS) is an integral part of the Bridge Ratings team, helping us to ensure survey integrity and quality control through all modes of data gathering."

http://bridgeratings.com/method.htm
 
fritobandito said:
Anyone know the methodology they used to arrive at these numbers?

This is likely (and appears so from the rather cryptic Bridge website) to be what is called an ATU: Awareness (have you heard of it) Trial (have you tried it) Usage (do you use it and how often). This is almost done by phone, often using RDD to achive as close as is possible to a random sample. In the case of predictive (fortune telling) behaviour, the question beyond awareness might involve interest in future usage.

I have no idea what I am going to eat tomorrow... let alone what kind of audio device I will have in 2020. The whole idea that one can project current behaviour into the future makes one critical mistake, that of ignoring innovation and change in both society and products.
 
DavidEduardo said:
I have no idea what I am going to eat tomorrow... let alone what kind of audio device I will have in 2020. The whole idea that one can project current behaviour into the future makes one critical mistake, that of ignoring innovation and change in both society and products.

This from the same person who lives and dies by this kind of lifestyle of projecting current behavior, be it revenue, listener patterns etc, into the future to "program" stations.

Basically, if the argument fits in his world, it's perfection in scientific data. If it doesn't, the research is nonsense. I'm more apt to believe a group that does not have any ties to the outcome of the race than anything Eduardo, any radio group, NAB or Ibiquity would place before us. Broadcast surveys from radio interests lack common sense and contain more spin than a New York Yankees broadcast and usually are aimed to force the wanted outcome.

It's only these same kind of models that Ibiquity uses to help their cause... by projecting number of operating stations by a certain date... etc etc. But it's only OK when the numbers look good. When it's a "whoops", watch out.

These numbers, from a realistic standpoint, are obvious. Anyone who knows anything about radio can tell you that the HD number is probably about right... a pimple on the @ss of an elephant vs the usage.

As for the change in techology, I guarentee for every design being brought to market for HD in the form of chip design, there are probably 100's of ideas in cell phone design at the same time. I've said it on these boards, radio DOES NOT KNOW what the competitor is, because the final outcome is evolving as we speak This is where content will meet the road in the future, not over an antiquated analog system with a band-aided digital system that half works. We are pushing forward on a dead end road and not where we should be... and will only have to play catch up (again) later.
 
wgliradio said:
DavidEduardo said:
I have no idea what I am going to eat tomorrow... let alone what kind of audio device I will have in 2020. The whole idea that one can project current behaviour into the future makes one critical mistake, that of ignoring innovation and change in both society and products.

This from the same person who lives and dies by this kind of lifestyle of projecting current behavior, be it revenue, listener patterns etc, into the future to "program" stations.

There's an interesting point here that a few folks are going to laugh at. And for most I've know in "The Biz" this is reality.

Radio does not program "In anything more than song by song selection" for "The Future". Radio looks at recent history (The last 2 books) and analyzes what HAPPENED. They look at actual factual data. In fact, listening trends change relatively slowly, so the target is more "What would have made us better in these last two surveys" rather than "What will be the trend in a few weeks".

This is on a broad sense as I see it. Beautiful Music did not die overnight. No one got up one morning with a great set of numbers and said "This is going to die" based on some research and pulled theplug. It was IIRC a long and sort of painful process for many BM stations. The numbers got weaker and weaker and finally there was a track record that sholw this was a bad idea and station slowly abandonded it.

To my way of thinking this "Lifestyle projection" you speak of just doesn't seem to be there. At least not in circles I travel in.

Basically, if the argument fits in his world, it's perfection in scientific data. If it doesn't, the research is nonsense. I'm more apt to believe a group that does not have any ties to the outcome of the race than anything Eduardo, any radio group, NAB or Ibiquity would place before us.

Arbitron is basically for Ad Agencies. If there was no advertising buying going on, then there would be no Arbitron. Ad agencies don't want lifestyle trends. Then want accurate accounting of eyeballs and ears.

Broadcast surveys from radio interests lack common sense and contain more spin than a New York Yankees broadcast and usually are aimed to force the wanted outcome.
AFAIK, nothing could be furthur fromthe truth. Radio routinely publishes what you speak of. It's called a media Kit. Its taken out by sales people to clients without knowledge or numbers to show how radio in a specific instance can generate results for your business. It's why low rated sports stations can get ATV and Mtorocycle money in droves. Because the sports audience is male doinated and tends to skew upwards in income level.
It's only these same kind of models that Ibiquity uses to help their cause... by projecting number of operating stations by a certain date... etc etc. But it's only OK when the numbers look good. When it's a "whoops", watch out.

These numbers, from a realistic standpoint, are obvious. Anyone who knows anything about radio can tell you that the HD number is probably about right... a pimple on the @ss of an elephant vs the usage.

No doubt. And that's why for HD to EVER work, it needs the stations. (Count now at 1307)
As for the change in techology, I guarentee for every design being brought to market for HD in the form of chip design, there are probably 100's of ideas in cell phone design at the same time. I've said it on these boards, radio DOES NOT KNOW what the competitor is, because the final outcome is evolving as we speak This is where content will meet the road in the future, not over an antiquated analog system with a band-aided digital system that half works. We are pushing forward on a dead end road and not where we should be... and will only have to play catch up (again) later.

I think to a degree radio DOES know where the competition is. And they are trying to adapt to it. And then there's the whole streaming vs efficiency of bandwidth issue. I do believe you will continue to see music players inphones. and the Hear it-buy it model is brilliant. A real money maker.

Still there is a place here for radio.

Clouseau
 
wgliradio said:
As for the change in techology, I guarentee for every design being brought to market for HD in the form of chip design, there are probably 100's of ideas in cell phone design at the same time...

"Re: Samsung Developing New Low-Power, Low-Priced Chipset for HD Radio"

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,70977.msg521263.html#msg521263

I'de say, that iBiquity/Samsung can forget getting HD chipsets into cell phones - it's long over. And, where does that leave iBiquity - with HD radios that are not selling, and some serious issues with in-dash HD Radio:

Re: "In-dash HD Radio Catch-22"

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,71966.msg520590.html#msg520590
 
Market Penetration: Bridge Ratings

June 06//May 07

Terrestrial Radio: 93.5//93.7% +0.21%
Cell Phones: 75.2//78.3% +3.9%
MP3 Players: 30.1//30.4% +0.97%
Internet Radio (all): 19//21% +0.97%
Satellite Radio: 4.6//4.8% +9.5%
HD Radio: 0.001//0.0015% +33.3%

Sobering numbers.

Indeed they are. And definitely open to a few different interpretations.

Satellite Radio led all media with almost 21 hours TSL.

Not surprising. You pay for it because you want it.


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wgliradio said:
This from the same person who lives and dies by this kind of lifestyle of projecting current behavior, be it revenue, listener patterns etc, into the future to "program" stations.

Radio station research is mostly based on "now" as, confirmed by Clouseau's post, we want the best set of songs, the best morning show tomorrow, etc. We don't know what songs we will be playing in 90 days, let alone 12 years.

But we do look at trends. But we can not predict change.

Here's a trend. We are taking a 500 mile trip. 5 hours into the trip, we have gone 250 miles. We can expect to arrive in another 5. However, if there is a detour, road construction, heavy rain or fog or an accident (change) we will not arrive at that time.

If an oldies station's audience is getting one year higher average age each year, and billings are dropping each year of the last 5 by 5%, we can safely estimate that at some point the station will cease to be profitable or to deliver the desired return on asset value. However, if we change the music, competitors change and impact us, etc., it may get better or worse. We can not predict change... but can determine what will happen if we stay the same; we can not wait for a competitor do move out of our way!

Trending, as opposed to prediction, is what we do with investing, too. If Washington Mutual has increased dividends each year for over a decade, we can take this into account in determining total future returns. However, if the is change, like a recession, all bets are off.

Basically, if the argument fits in his world, it's perfection in scientific data. If it doesn't, the research is nonsense.

Radio research is about what listeners like today. We can't tell what they will like tomorrow, any more than we can tell if a new single will be a hit. We ask "how much would you like to hear this song on the radio today." If we ask how much they will like the song in two years, we will get totally useless data... because the listener does not know and can not tell.

And we certainly do not try to predict out 12 years.

I'm more apt to believe a group that does not have any ties to the outcome of the race than anything Eduardo, any radio group, NAB or Ibiquity would place before us. Broadcast surveys from radio interests lack common sense and contain more spin than a New York Yankees broadcast and usually are aimed to force the wanted outcome.

Bridge Ratings derives its income from radio stations, as far as I know. Their interests are radio's interests. My qualm is not with their methods or their people, but with trying to convert research on radio into a crystal ball. There are too many variables.

iBiquity is a vendor to radio. Their interests are different from radio's, in the sense that they want to sell licences and get fees for receivers. Radio stations don't participate in this process... we want more audience, or to protect existing audiences, or to try to save our investments in AM. The relationship is not shared, it is symbiotic.

It's only these same kind of models that Ibiquity uses to help their cause... by projecting number of operating stations by a certain date... etc etc. But it's only OK when the numbers look good. When it's a "whoops", watch out.

iBiquity knows, roughly, how many stations are on the air, and, exactly, how many are licensed. There is no prediction there. Just fact.

These numbers, from a realistic standpoint, are obvious. Anyone who knows anything about radio can tell you that the HD number is probably about right... a pimple on the @ss of an elephant vs the usage.

Right or wrong, the number is encouraging for a system that started being marketed 11 months ago and was only approved by the FCC two months ago... and where the cost of receivers is still not anywhere near the sweet spot for a massive adoption of HD. I mean, like, ya' know, most of the receivers made so far have crummy front ends and there is no "elegant" chipset out yet. I'd say this is a good start.

As for the change in techology, I guarentee for every design being brought to market for HD in the form of chip design, there are probably 100's of ideas in cell phone design at the same time.

But a radio does one thing: it detects an electromagnetic field and converts it to audio. A cell phone basically does the same thing, and then each model adds features. But it is still a phone. We might see a combination cell phone and toaster oven some day, but the phone part does the same thing a cell phone did in 1989... it picks up a signal and makes it audible.

HD radios may or may not have features. She SanDisk MP3 players have FM radios, ya' know. But my point is that an HD radio, well designed and at a good price, is a better radio.

I've said it on these boards, radio DOES NOT KNOW what the competitor is, because the final outcome is evolving as we speak

Thank you. This is my point, too. Change over the longer span vs. trends in the short term. For the moment, terrestrial radio derives nearly all its revenue from analog terrestrial AM and FM signals. In the long run, we may deliver content in other forms. But right now, we make no money from it. Those of us who work on the day to day operation of station are focused on the things we can do now, like HD. At a different level we are also, as an industry, looking at everything from WiMax to BPL.


This is where content will meet the road in the future, not over an antiquated analog system with a band-aided digital system that half works.

Actually, FM HD works wonderfully. The usable range of HD is as great as the usable range of analog, and it is far more immune to multipath, etc. AM HD is probably too little and too late as AM is pretty well cooked... but all you have to do is be in Miami during summer lightening to know that HD not only sounds better, it is almost imprevious to the high (analog) noise levels caused by atmospherics and man made interference that reduces so much the coverage of analog AM.
 
DavidEduardo said:
Radio station research is mostly based on "now" as, confirmed by Clouseau's post, we want the best set of songs, the best morning show tomorrow, etc. We don't know what songs we will be playing in 90 days, let alone 12 years.

But we do look at trends. But we can not predict change.

Here's a trend. We are taking a 500 mile trip. 5 hours into the trip, we have gone 250 miles. We can expect to arrive in another 5. However, if there is a detour, road construction, heavy rain or fog or an accident (change) we will not arrive at that time.

OK. I can look at the data from 2006, which placed HD radios at 0.001% with the data from 2007 at 0.0015%. I can also, as a 17 year veteran of the broadcast industry, predict how radio will continue with HD-2 channel programming, which is the "killer app"... cheap formats with the only change being the eventual addition of commercials.

It's not hard to predict what broadcasters will do. It's usually one of the three

1) Cheap
2) Wrong
3) Uninspired

I also can look and see the % of the population using other devices and, as a broadcast professional, know where I want my content. 1) As podcasts on MP3 devices, used by approx 30% of the population.. 2) continuing on the internet, used by 21%.. 3) The ability to provide content to cell phone users, be it as a news station with news updates, a music station with gossip or news information.. or maybe streaming content in real time. My goal would be how to get this done. I wouldn't be telling my listeners to grab rabbit ears and roof antennas.

DavidEduardo said:
If an oldies station's audience is getting one year higher average age each year, and billings are dropping each year of the last 5 by 5%, we can safely estimate that at some point the station will cease to be profitable or to deliver the desired return on asset value. However, if we change the music, competitors change and impact us, etc., it may get better or worse. We can not predict change... but can determine what will happen if we stay the same; we can not wait for a competitor do move out of our way!

But how can you do that if you cannot predict, as you say, what the listener will do next week. You words.

DavidEduardo said:
And we certainly do not try to predict out 12 years.

If you had to guess, where will radio be delivering content in 2020?

DavidEduardo said:
iBiquity is a vendor to radio. Their interests are different from radio's, in the sense that they want to sell licences and get fees for receivers. Radio stations don't participate in this process... we want more audience, or to protect existing audiences, or to try to save our investments in AM. The relationship is not shared, it is symbiotic.

But Ibiquity is a parasite that needs to live on the host (radio) in order to survive, so yes, Ibiquity interested are very vested in radio.

DavidEduardo said:
iBiquity knows, roughly, how many stations are on the air, and, exactly, how many are licensed. There is no prediction there. Just fact.

I have spoken to iBiquity people who have told me that they expect 2000 stations licensed by 1Q 2008.

DavidEduardo said:
Right or wrong, the number is encouraging for a system that started being marketed 11 months ago and was only approved by the FCC two months ago... and where the cost of receivers is still not anywhere near the sweet spot for a massive adoption of HD. I mean, like, ya' know, most of the receivers made so far have crummy front ends and there is no "elegant" chipset out yet. I'd say this is a good start.

The last set of Joe Consumer blue collar radios to have a decent to good front end. I'll excuse the black SR-III which is a POS out of the upper left. The other 4 are legit.. I have owned all of them at one point.

http://members.tripod.com/cheryldrake_1/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/beyondsuper.jpg

I doubt anyone knows how to make a good front end and put a price tag of under $150 on it anymore.


I've said it on these boards, radio DOES NOT KNOW what the competitor is, because the final outcome is evolving as we speak
DavidEduardo said:
Thank you. This is my point, too. Change over the longer span vs. trends in the short term. For the moment, terrestrial radio derives nearly all its revenue from analog terrestrial AM and FM signals. In the long run, we may deliver content in other forms. But right now, we make no money from it. Those of us who work on the day to day operation of station are focused on the things we can do now, like HD.

There are other things we need to be doing as well. Broadcasters need to be more up in arms than they are about Sound Exchange and streaming royalty rights. That whole frontier is where I feel we will be. I just hate wasting time on tech like HD which I think will be a speed bump to something else, especially when it costs so much and is so destructive. Not even with a high gain antenna does the FM HD copy what the analog signal can do, in quiet FM stereo.

DavidEduardo said:
Actually, FM HD works wonderfully. The usable range of HD is as great as the usable range of analog, and it is far more immune to multipath, etc. AM HD is probably too little and too late as AM is pretty well cooked

Part 1: See above

Part 2: What about the "AM investment?"
 
wgliradio said:
DavidEduardo said:
Radio station research is mostly based on "now" as, confirmed by Clouseau's post, we want the best set of songs, the best morning show tomorrow, etc. We don't know what songs we will be playing in 90 days, let alone 12 years.

But we do look at trends. But we can not predict change.

Here's a trend. We are taking a 500 mile trip. 5 hours into the trip, we have gone 250 miles. We can expect to arrive in another 5. However, if there is a detour, road construction, heavy rain or fog or an accident (change) we will not arrive at that time.

OK. I can look at the data from 2006, which placed HD radios at 0.001% with the data from 2007 at 0.0015%. I can also, as a 17 year veteran of the broadcast industry, predict how radio will continue with HD-2 channel programming, which is the "killer app"... cheap formats with the only change being the eventual addition of commercials.

It's not hard to predict what broadcasters will do. It's usually one of the three

1) Cheap
2) Wrong
3) Uninspired
If this is your concern, you are on the wrong board. HD is a way to try and develop a new delivery medium. If there is real money in real good programming vs Bad programming, it will be there. I share a lot of your cynicism, however, as a rule radio does what makes the most money.
I also can look and see the % of the population using other devices and, as a broadcast professional, know where I want my content.

Me too. However I am not losing sight of the fact that excluding a device that is currentlyu a phone, Radio has more penetration than all others COMBINED.

1) As podcasts on MP3 devices, used by approx 30% of the population..

Many of radios long form program producers are there NOW. And have been for a while.
2) continuing on the internet, used by 21%..
radio is getting into streaming, but obviously radio would like to retain the primary distribution system.

3) The ability to provide content to cell phone users, be it as a news station with news updates, a music station with gossip or news information.. or maybe streaming content in real time. My goal would be how to get this done.
There are many broadcasters doing this now. The easiest way to get this information to the aidiuience is on the radio, though. As the "Bridge" stuff trys to show, radio is ubiquitous. Well over 90%.
I wouldn't be telling my listeners to grab rabbit ears and roof antennas.

we'll see how this plays out over time...
DavidEduardo said:
If an oldies station's audience is getting one year higher average age each year, and billings are dropping each year of the last 5 by 5%, we can safely estimate that at some point the station will cease to be profitable or to deliver the desired return on asset value. However, if we change the music, competitors change and impact us, etc., it may get better or worse. We can not predict change... but can determine what will happen if we stay the same; we can not wait for a competitor do move out of our way!

But how can you do that if you cannot predict, as you say, what the listener will do next week. You(r) words.
C'mon you picking a fight for no reason here. David's example is based on TODAY. It is based on the assumption that nothing will change. That is, say 100000 people listen to an oldies station in the 25-54 demo with the majority of them over 35, we can see that people WILL age out of the demo. If we don't add listeners on the bottom, then the audience willl age out of the demo. That's not trying to guess the future, that's fact. Oldies listeners are a good group to do this with. Their taste as individuals doesn't seem to change much over time.
DavidEduardo said:
And we certainly do not try to predict out 12 years.

If you had to guess, where will radio be delivering content in 2020?

That's an interesting question. By definition, radio will be distributing content via... RADIO. Many of the companies in radio may migrate into other forms of distribution, but radio will be distributed by radio.

DavidEduardo said:
iBiquity is a vendor to radio. Their interests are different from radio's, in the sense that they want to sell licences and get fees for receivers. Radio stations don't participate in this process... we want more audience, or to protect existing audiences, or to try to save our investments in AM. The relationship is not shared, it is symbiotic.

But Ibiquity is a parasite that needs to live on the host (radio) in order to survive, so yes, Ibiquity interested are very vested in radio.
But many relationships are like that and are healthy. Radio needs advertising to survive. Goodyear isn't worth much without the car industry. Also, remember that Ibiquity does have technology in Xm and Sirius as well. (According to the Strubble Interview on C-Span.)
DavidEduardo said:
iBiquity knows, roughly, how many stations are on the air, and, exactly, how many are licensed. There is no prediction there. Just fact.

I have spoken to iBiquity people who have told me that they expect 2000 stations licensed by 1Q 2008.

That's what I've heard as well.

DavidEduardo said:
Right or wrong, the number is encouraging for a system that started being marketed 11 months ago and was only approved by the FCC two months ago... and where the cost of receivers is still not anywhere near the sweet spot for a massive adoption of HD. I mean, like, ya' know, most of the receivers made so far have crummy front ends and there is no "elegant" chipset out yet. I'd say this is a good start.


The last set of Joe Consumer blue collar radios to have a decent to good front end. I'll excuse the black SR-III which is a POS out of the upper left. The other 4 are legit.. I have owned all of them at one point.

http://members.tripod.com/cheryldrake_1/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/beyondsuper.jpg

I doubt anyone knows how to make a good front end and put a price tag of under $150 on it anymore.

On that front, HD may actually help... Obviously improved radio design would help a lot.

I've said it on these boards, radio DOES NOT KNOW what the competitor is, because the final outcome is evolving as we speak
DavidEduardo said:
Thank you. This is my point, too. Change over the longer span vs. trends in the short term. For the moment, terrestrial radio derives nearly all its revenue from analog terrestrial AM and FM signals. In the long run, we may deliver content in other forms. But right now, we make no money from it. Those of us who work on the day to day operation of station are focused on the things we can do now, like HD.

There are other things we need to be doing as well. Broadcasters need to be more up in arms than they are about Sound Exchange and streaming royalty rights. That whole frontier is where I feel we will be. I just hate wasting time on tech like HD which I think will be a speed bump to something else, especially when it costs so much and is so destructive. Not even with a high gain antenna does the FM HD copy what the analog signal can do, in quiet FM stereo.

There are many issues facing radio as a whole. There always have been and nowso more than ever. MANY broadcasters have decided HD is a good idea. The FCC has decided HD is a good idea.

Neither of those two decisions have any relationship to your Sound Exchange thoughts (Which I strongly agree with BTW).
DavidEduardo said:
Actually, FM HD works wonderfully. The usable range of HD is as great as the usable range of analog, and it is far more immune to multipath, etc. AM HD is probably too little and too late as AM is pretty well cooked

Part 1: See above

Part 2: What about the "AM investment?"

I think that AM will find a way to survive. Higher fidelity wouldn't hurt, either.


Clouseau
 
clouseau said:
If this is your concern, you are on the wrong board. HD is a way to try and develop a new delivery medium. If there is real money in real good programming vs Bad programming, it will be there. I share a lot of your cynicism, however, as a rule radio does what makes the most money.

Radio TRIES to do what it THINKS will make the most money. Many times, formats seem to be temporary until the next big thing. Lately management has been doing alot of backpeddling.

It's programming and innovation on HD2 streams that will make it... and it has to be a little more creative than segued music.

clouseau said:
Me too. However I am not losing sight of the fact that excluding a device that is currentlyu a phone, Radio has more penetration than all others COMBINED.

Analog radio. And that's fine. But we must be realistic about which mediums are developing faster... and making sure our content is there. I think we are losing sight of that. Broadcasters do not have the rights to stream on the net alot of content they have the rights to (sporting events etc) thanks to third party deals with professional leagues. So a Red Sox game cannot be on WRKO online. That's the kind of content that radio did not fight hard enough to hold onto the exclusive rights to.. and will hurt US later.

clouseau said:
radio is getting into streaming, but obviously radio would like to retain the primary distribution system.

Radio is afraid of letting more people into the club... which is understandable. But I would love to listen to virtually whatever I want in my car... and be able to broadcast and program my own station and have my own business without being denied just because there isn't any spectrum left.

clouseau said:
C'mon you picking a fight for no reason here. David's example is based on TODAY. It is based on the assumption that nothing will change. That is, say 100000 people listen to an oldies station in the 25-54 demo with the majority of them over 35, we can see that people WILL age out of the demo. If we don't add listeners on the bottom, then the audience willl age out of the demo.

You can't assume something on one plane and not on another. I'm tired of David changing the argument when it suits him. The fact is, habits change all the time. Yes, most likely the oldies demo will remain the same, but at the same time, I can say the nothing will change with the interest in radio when people don't see a problem with FM stereo in analog form as it is today. As someone at the SBE meeting I was with today (someone who works for a very high profile FM in New York) said... HD FM is an answer looking for a problem.


But Ibiquity is a parasite that needs to live on the host (radio) in order to survive, so yes, Ibiquity interested are very vested in radio.
clouseau said:
But many relationships are like that and are healthy. Radio needs advertising to survive. Goodyear isn't worth much without the car industry. Also, remember that Ibiquity does have technology in Xm and Sirius as well. (According to the Strubble Interview on C-Span.)

That was in response to David saying that iBiquity's interests were different than those of radio.

clouseau said:
On that front, HD may actually help... Obviously improved radio design would help a lot.

But it's the simple things that have been forgotten. Case in point. I have an Hitachi portable from 1983. Very quiet in FM stereo, even on fringe stations compared to most every other portable radio I own or have ever owned. The Accurian is noisy as hell, so to fix this, they band-aid the analog with blend circuits and mono fold down. But slightly better design eliminates the need for the extra bells a whistles.
 
wgliradio said:
But it's the simple things that have been forgotten. Case in point. I have an Hitachi portable from 1983. Very quiet in FM stereo, even on fringe stations compared to most every other portable radio I own or have ever owned. The Accurian is noisy as hell, so to fix this, they band-aid the analog with blend circuits and mono fold down. But slightly better design eliminates the need for the extra bells a whistles.

The Hitachi probably has a much quieter mixer input, since the Accuian uses square wave detection adding one layer of
wideband hiss, compounded by the presence of a square-wave CLOCK and cpu with all its square-wave hash and glory
in cheap design, which transmits noise, intermodulating with the desired signals.

I'll give you a hint. When you're listening for really weak sounds, it helps if your amp doesn't make as much noise as a gasoline engine.

This is exactly the same.

HD's premise is that since speaking in a normal tone of voice, radio should now shout continuously.
That is the very definition of digital.

Next we must digitize the delivery of water to the public. No more funny smells, different temps, etc.
No more half open leaking faucets. Just like at airport. Wave your hand around and....nothing happens often.
There you stand with soap on hands, and nothing you can do can make the water come on. It's digital.
How wonderful it is to not be able to wash one's hands becasue the faucet is too clever for me to trick it into running water.


How about we digitize Heating and AC. No more comfy air, instead we only distribute +150 deg air or 20 air.
It would be far more efficient.

How about we digitize traffic. No more yellow, just stop bit and go bit. Think of the time savings!

Let's really think and see how many foolish places we can apply digital technology. There MUST be something else...
 
I have always said that if more FM radios were built to a standard, we wouldn't even be talking about HD. We already have the PAD information of RDS, which is harmless.. a better system for additional streams with FM eXtra, which is a cheaper bridge to radio's eventual digital delivery system.

HD is old tech, looking for a problem to answer that is not even being promoted or programmed correctly. But did we expect anything else from broadcasters??
 
clouseau said:
Market Penetration: Bridge Ratings

June 06//May 07

Terrestrial Radio: 93.5//93.7% +0.21%
Cell Phones: 75.2//78.3% +3.9%
MP3 Players: 30.1//30.4% +0.97%
Internet Radio (all): 19//21% +0.97%
Satellite Radio: 4.6//4.8% +9.5%
HD Radio: 0.001//0.0015% +33.3%

Sobering numbers.

Indeed they are. And definitely open to a few different interpretations.

That is holding onto the life raft in shark infested waters.
 
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