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Broadcasters getting the hint

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It looks as if the major broadcasters are getting the hint that HD Radio (by itself) is not going to be their future salvation.

"Session moderator Paul Harris, an on-air personality on KMOX/St. Louis, added, "High definition TV makes a difference, but I've never had anyone say about radio, 'That was a really good interview, but it would have been better in ISDN.' No one cares that we're broadcasting in HD. If the technology is going to work, it's because it's available in every radio and offers more compelling content."


Future Of Radio Panel: Change For Youth Or Die Trying?
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/

The article is a sober but positive assessment as to where radio is heading.

db
 
dbdigital said:
It looks as if the major broadcasters are getting the hint that HD Radio (by itself) is not going to be their future salvation.

"Session moderator Paul Harris, an on-air personality on KMOX/St. Louis, added, "High definition TV makes a difference, but I've never had anyone say about radio, 'That was a really good interview, but it would have been better in ISDN.' No one cares that we're broadcasting in HD. If the technology is going to work, it's because it's available in every radio and offers more compelling content."


Future Of Radio Panel: Change For Youth Or Die Trying?
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/

The article is a sober but positive assessment as to where radio is heading.

db
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It is good to see that broadcasters are realizing that HD is dead-end technology - Satellite Radio is taking over in-dash and consumers just don't buy stand-alone radios, anymore. Here is an excellent article by Ramsey, that broadcasters should take note of, not that this is any surprise:

"Wi-Max Cometh"

"Wi-Max will enable all sorts of new devices we've never even thought of, says Fred Wright, senior VP for networks and enterprise at Motorola... The significance of all this for radio is, of course, profound... It is very likely that the so-called 'radio' you now own will be the last one you ever buy."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/wi-max-cometh.html#comments

Let's hope that IBLOCK/IBUZZ eventually gets turned off.
 
PocketRadio said:
dbdigital said:
It looks as if the major broadcasters are getting the hint that HD Radio (by itself) is not going to be their future salvation.

"Session moderator Paul Harris, an on-air personality on KMOX/St. Louis, added, "High definition TV makes a difference, but I've never had anyone say about radio, 'That was a really good interview, but it would have been better in ISDN.' No one cares that we're broadcasting in HD. If the technology is going to work, it's because it's available in every radio and offers more compelling content."


Future Of Radio Panel: Change For Youth Or Die Trying?
http://www.radioandrecords.com/RRWebSite/

The article is a sober but positive assessment as to where radio is heading.

db
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It is good to see that broadcasters are realizing that HD is dead-end technology - Satellite Radio is taking over in-dash and consumers just don't buy stand-alone radios, anymore. Here is an excellent article by Ramsey, that broadcasters should take note of, not that this is any surprise:

"Wi-Max Cometh"

"Wi-Max will enable all sorts of new devices we've never even thought of, says Fred Wright, senior VP for networks and enterprise at Motorola... The significance of all this for radio is, of course, profound."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/wi-max-cometh.html#comments

Let's hope that IBLOCK/IBUZZ eventually gets turned off.
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Let's set aside for a moment that I work for a company that makes HD Radio products and think.

Why not just keep HD Radio and make it a subscription service like satellite? HD Radio has the technology. Get rid of advertising, get rid of endless promotions of brands and play music, or provide news!

The concept of HD Radio is FREE RADIO!! Of all its shortcommings and the fact that RIGHT NOW it has flaws let's face it, the idea that a user can actually have access to a free service that provides news, traffic, weather, and entertainment for free is part of what it takes maintain a democracy. And all HD Radio allows is an upgrade to the system that is used to deliver that service to the public. So what is the real problem with trying to improve the infrastructure of this medium? Is it because a few small independant stations are scared of the big bad conglomerates? Is it because it hurts the pressious DX community? What is the true problem with HD Radio? Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?

And for those that may take offense with the tone, I am merely trying to represent the language I have seen some use when describing their dislike and am in no way trying to demean that opinion, after all it is an opinion and if I have the right to have one, then so do you.
 
MasterTheseus said:
Let's set aside for a moment that I work for a company that makes HD Radio products and think.

Why not just keep HD Radio and make it a subscription service like satellite? HD Radio has the technology. Get rid of advertising, get rid of endless promotions of brands and play music, or provide news!

The concept of HD Radio is FREE RADIO!! Of all its shortcommings and the fact that RIGHT NOW it has flaws let's face it, the idea that a user can actually have access to a free service that provides news, traffic, weather, and entertainment for free is part of what it takes maintain a democracy. And all HD Radio allows is an upgrade to the system that is used to deliver that service to the public. So what is the real problem with trying to improve the infrastructure of this medium? Is it because a few small independant stations are scared of the big bad conglomerates? Is it because it hurts the pressious DX community? What is the true problem with HD Radio? Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?

And for those that may take offense with the tone, I am merely trying to represent the language I have seen some use when describing their dislike and am in no way trying to demean that opinion, after all it is an opinion and if I have the right to have one, then so do you.
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No offense - have you noticed the lack of SW and AM/FM radios at Radio Shack and Best Buy ? Back in the 1960s and 1970s, RS used to be full of radios, but now these stores are just carrying token amounts. HD Radio was an antiquated idea, right from the start. I'de be really sad to see the "sticks" disappear, but I think that Ramsey is correct - the broadcast transport mediums are going to change drastically in the next 5 to 10 years, even for Satellite Radio:

"28 million subscribers by 2011 (and they're not satellite radio's)"

"And If you think this statement is resonating a lot today: Why should I get satellite radio when I already have an iPod? Then imagine what that statement will be in 4 years. Sprint is set to roll out its WiMAX service later this year, and Clearwire boasts 250,000+ subscribers already. The future is coming fast, and with FCC chairman Kevin Martin calling for 'openness' for the upcoming auction of the 700 MHz band, it's only going to come faster."

http://www.orbitcast.com/archives/2...-by-2011-and-theyre-not-satellite-radios.html

It's over for HD Radio.
 
I live in what I thought was "Rural East Texas." I also operate a popular FM station on a day to day basis. Where I live was very much rural five years ago. One day I stepped out of our studio doors to be greeted by a herd of cows who were lost. At that time, I thought I'd moved to the edge of the earth, but it isn't that way any more. It has moved up to "suburban" status.

We have a new traffic signal at an intersection about a mile from my home. So much for being "rural." Clearwire is here in the market and doing well, as is a locally owned WISP. Recently, I discovered that I can get 1.2 Mbs (or better) wireless Internet from my cellphone company. It works great in my living room. The times are 'a changing. Very rapidly, in fact.

There are so many competing technologies, and HD has been so poorly implemented that I think it is time to drop back and punt. How about coming up with a system that our ancestors will be proud of? There is no hurry, but there must be a better way. I'd like to leave something that in 50 years from now, people will say : "Those guys really knew what they were doing." I don't think the Ibiquity solution meets that criteria.
 
MasterTheseus said:

all HD Radio allows is an upgrade to the system that is used to deliver that service to the public. So what is the real problem with trying to improve the infrastructure of this medium? Is it because a few small independant stations are scared of the big bad conglomerates? Is it because it hurts the pressious DX community? What is the true problem with HD Radio? Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?
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I know you are new here, Master, but it is difficult to believe you know so little about the HD radio, yet claim expert status, and why most people are so dead set against buying into this destructive, deficient, falsely over hyped, deceptive, HD radio technology. Are you feigning ignorance, baiting with red herrings, are you just deep in denial, or just uninformed as to why so many object to HD radio?

Why must the reasons you dreamed up (above) be the only reasons why so many are rejecting HD radio?

After all they are your reasons, not others.

If your curiosity and interest are sincere, and your motives pure, all you have to do is read the posts right on this blog dating back over several years to discover why so many others deplore HD radio. It often is none of what you assume and dream about others reasons and intentions for objecting to HD radio.

One of the most repulsive reasons was expressed by a writer who goes by the pen name of "Guy Wire" who said HD radio was just "thinning the herd of cripples" by interfering with and reducing the number of community broadcasters in favor of the large broadcast conglomerates that usually own major broadcast facilities.

So you see, HD radio is not about more free radio, more diversity, less interference, improving technology, more stations, fewer commercials, more public service or anything of the kind, but actually the exact opposite. Just a power, control, and property grab by the most privileged few, of the property and power of the many. Since the very beginning when the first broadcasting stations were licensed it was and has been acknowledged that the public owns the airwaves and the broadcaster is just temporarily, conditionally licensed to serve the public interest, convenience, and necessity.

http://www.worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/
 
SUPERCASTER said:
MasterTheseus said:

all HD Radio allows is an upgrade to the system that is used to deliver that service to the public. So what is the real problem with trying to improve the infrastructure of this medium? Is it because a few small independant stations are scared of the big bad conglomerates? Is it because it hurts the pressious DX community? What is the true problem with HD Radio? Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?
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I know you are new here, Master, but it is difficult to believe you know so little about the HD radio, yet claim expert status, and why most people are so dead set against buying into this destructive, deficient, falsely over hyped, deceptive, HD radio technology. Are you feigning ignorance, baiting with red herrings, are you just deep in denial, or just uninformed as to why so many object to HD radio?

Why must the reasons you dreamed up (above) be the only reasons why so many are rejecting HD radio?

After all they are your reasons, not others.

If your curiosity and interest are sincere, and your motives pure, all you have to do is read the posts right on this blog dating back over several years to discover why so many others deplore HD radio. It often is none of what you assume and dream about others reasons and intentions for objecting to HD radio.

One of the most repulsive reasons was expressed by a writer who goes by the pen name of "Guy Wire" who said HD radio was just "thinning the herd of cripples" by interfering with and reducing the number of community broadcasters in favor of the large broadcast conglomerates that usually own major broadcast facilities.

So you see, HD radio is not about more free radio, more diversity, less interference, improving technology, more stations, fewer commercials, more public service or anything of the kind, but actually the exact opposite. Just a power, control, and property grab by the most privileged few, of the property and power of the many. Since the very beginning when the first broadcasting stations were licensed it was and has been acknowledged that the public owns the airwaves and the broadcaster is just temporarily, conditionally licensed to serve the public interest, convenience, and necessity.

http://www.worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/
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You would have thought that with all the rhetoric about the downturn in terrestrial listening due to other technology that MasterThesus would be on Sangean's corporate heads indicating to them that HD radio is NOT the proper technology to compete with the newer devices that compete with radio but design and create tech toys similar to what Apple and others have created.

Sangean as well as several major electronics manufacturers are falling asleep at the wheel and the new young electronics whiz engineers at competing companies are creating the tech toys of the future and if you're not in then you're OUT!

Radiopilot
 
MasterTheseus said:
Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?
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I believe that IS one of the issues. Add that to who they are in bed with, and you might see a trend especially if you like consolidation. Consolidation is great if you are the one doing it, but not so much fun if you are the one being consolidated.
 
SUPERCASTER said:
MasterTheseus said:

all HD Radio allows is an upgrade to the system that is used to deliver that service to the public. So what is the real problem with trying to improve the infrastructure of this medium? Is it because a few small independant stations are scared of the big bad conglomerates? Is it because it hurts the pressious DX community? What is the true problem with HD Radio? Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?
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I know you are new here, Master, but it is difficult to believe you know so little about the HD radio, yet claim expert status, and why most people are so dead set against buying into this destructive, deficient, falsely over hyped, deceptive, HD radio technology. Are you feigning ignorance, baiting with red herrings, are you just deep in denial, or just uninformed as to why so many object to HD radio?

Why must the reasons you dreamed up (above) be the only reasons why so many are rejecting HD radio?

After all they are your reasons, not others.

If your curiosity and interest are sincere, and your motives pure, all you have to do is read the posts right on this blog dating back over several years to discover why so many others deplore HD radio. It often is none of what you assume and dream about others reasons and intentions for objecting to HD radio.

One of the most repulsive reasons was expressed by a writer who goes by the pen name of "Guy Wire" who said HD radio was just "thinning the herd of cripples" by interfering with and reducing the number of community broadcasters in favor of the large broadcast conglomerates that usually own major broadcast facilities.

So you see, HD radio is not about more free radio, more diversity, less interference, improving technology, more stations, fewer commercials, more public service or anything of the kind, but actually the exact opposite. Just a power, control, and property grab by the most privileged few, of the property and power of the many. Since the very beginning when the first broadcasting stations were licensed it was and has been acknowledged that the public owns the airwaves and the broadcaster is just temporarily, conditionally licensed to serve the public interest, convenience, and necessity.

http://www.worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/
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I was never assuming these were all the reasons. Since there are several different types of people with different backgrounds I would expect there to be various reasons, the ones mentioned seemed to be the most common and prevelant.

I am not going to get to far into it, but I also never claimed to be an expert in HD Radio. I don't understand most of the "technological" aspect of HD Radio.

What I understand is as a listener, my listening options are expanded, and if you have heard a properly broadcast HD Radio station on one of our tuners you would be hard pressed to argue that it doesn't sound stunning, for radio that is. And all it cost me was the price of a radio I was likely to buy anyway.

Are there problems? Sure, I will admit that. Some people need a better antenna. Some can't get any HD Radio where they are. Sure, some of the stations sound bad, but that will change in time as I have noticed since even Nov.

Maybe HD Radio isn't the be-all-end-all, but it certainly serves the purpose for now. And if DAB becomes a reality here in the US Sangean is ready. We have several DAB radios being sold throughout Eurpoe right now.
 
SUPERCASTER said:
MasterTheseus said:

all HD Radio allows is an upgrade to the system that is used to deliver that service to the public. So what is the real problem with trying to improve the infrastructure of this medium? Is it because a few small independant stations are scared of the big bad conglomerates? Is it because it hurts the pressious DX community? What is the true problem with HD Radio? Or is the real problem the idea that one company is regulating and controlling the release so that only they get to make money on it?
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I know you are new here, Master, but it is difficult to believe you know so little about the HD radio, yet claim expert status, and why most people are so dead set against buying into this destructive, deficient, falsely over hyped, deceptive, HD radio technology. Are you feigning ignorance, baiting with red herrings, are you just deep in denial, or just uninformed as to why so many object to HD radio?

Why must the reasons you dreamed up (above) be the only reasons why so many are rejecting HD radio?

After all they are your reasons, not others.

One of the most repulsive reasons was expressed by a writer who goes by the pen name of "Guy Wire" who said HD radio was just "thinning the herd of cripples" by interfering with and reducing the number of community broadcasters in favor of the large broadcast conglomerates that usually own major broadcast facilities.

So you see, HD radio is not about more free radio, more diversity, less interference, improving technology, more stations, fewer commercials, more public service or anything of the kind, but actually the exact opposite. Just a power, control, and property grab by the most privileged few, of the property and power of the many. Since the very beginning when the first broadcasting stations were licensed it was and has been acknowledged that the public owns the airwaves and the broadcaster is just temporarily, conditionally licensed to serve the public interest, convenience, and necessity.

http://www.worldsupercaster.blogspot.com/
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Well said. To put so-called 'free radio' and democracy in the same sentence is ridiculous.

Broadcasting has always been about the public airwaves being controlled by a relatively small handful of people who decide what to air and when, all with minimum government supervision. Anyone who attempts to broadcast outside of the government's licensing system is crushed. This can hardly be called democratic.

A writer for the San Francisco Chronicle once referred to HD-Radio as a 'land grab by land barons' as they double and triple the programming on their channels while the IBOC signal spreads out to encroach on first adjacent channels and beyond their assigned channel. It may be more programming but it is still controlled by only a handful of people.

When the FCC released their final rules for HD-Radio they had the perfect opportunity to mandate LPFM or some type of community radio on some of these HD2 and 3 channels. But they got spineless and decided not to so.

So the high interest in internet radio and the means to receive it portably and expanding the infrastructure for it is totally understandable.

db
 
Well, I think that just as anything, not everything is for every one. Sangean will always attempt to bring the public what they want, whether it be shortwave, DAB, DRM, Wi-fi, HD Radio or other. I feel that HD Radio poses the best promise now, but I also like the concept of Wi-fi, of which we will have later this year. I even like the idea of FMeXtra. I like anything that increases my options.

But free-radio is in the same thought as free press. And I know as a consumer I like the idea of not paying for radio. Just like I don't like paying for air. Best of all, if I don't like HD Radio I can simply subscribe to Satellite, or listen to my crappy MP3 collection bought from iTunes. - Choice is a wonderful thing.
 
MasterTheseus said:
And if DAB becomes a reality here in the US Sangean is ready. We have several DAB radios being sold throughout Eurpoe right now.
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Do you realize that the DAB rollout stalled in Canada, and that interest in DAB is slowing in the UK, after a number of years, and the UK may try and replace DAB with DAB+ because it has been such a disaster (they also lied about the number of DAB radios sold) ? Looks like there is limited interest in digital radio, as consumers have moved onto other technologies.
 
MasterTheseus wrote: "...What I understand is as a listener, my listening options are expanded..."

Digital compact cassette recorders/players also expanded listener options, yet they were a dismal failure. Introducing digital 8-track recorders/players would add still more listener options, and would be even more hilarious.

MasterTheseus wrote: "...and if you have heard a properly broadcast HD Radio station on one of our tuners you would be hard pressed to argue that it doesn't sound stunning, for radio that is..."

Wifi and wired Internet radio can sound just as good or even better, as there are really no bandwidth limitations.

MasterTheseus wrote: "...And all it cost me was the price of a radio I was likely to buy anyway..."

You assume at your own peril. "Radio" content is increasingly available without any need to purchase any kind of dedicated hardware.
 
vsa said:
MasterTheseus wrote: "...What I understand is as a listener, my listening options are expanded..."

Digital compact cassette recorders/players also expanded listener options, yet they were a dismal failure. Introducing digital 8-track recorders/players would add still more listener options, and would be even more hilarious. - So my opinion is invalid because there are other options out there? I think that is similar to saying that owning a car is stupid because I could own a plane.
MasterTheseus wrote: "...and if you have heard a properly broadcast HD Radio station on one of our tuners you would be hard pressed to argue that it doesn't sound stunning, for radio that is..."

Wifi and wired Internet radio can sound just as good or even better, as there are really no bandwidth limitations. - But in this case you still have to buy a wi-fi radio/computer, and use you PAID FOR internet connection. . . Still buying equipment and/or still subscribing to a service to enjoy. Gee. . . That sounds almost similar to HD Radio except for the subscription thing.

MasterTheseus wrote: "...And all it cost me was the price of a radio I was likely to buy anyway..."

You assume at your own peril. "Radio" content is increasingly available without any need to purchase any kind of dedicated hardware. - I don't assume, if I was going to buy a radio anyway and simply paid a little more for the HD Radio function then all I paid EXTRA fro was the HD Radio function, but I Was still going to buy a radio. Example, we have the WR-2 table-top radio typical retail for $139. I buy the SONY HD radio instead for $199. . . I only paid $60 for HD Radio. If I did it during the rebate, only $20. . . Not a shabby deal. $20 to double the stations I can listen to?
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MasterTheseus said:
vsa said:
MasterTheseus wrote: "...What I understand is as a listener, my listening options are expanded..."

Digital compact cassette recorders/players also expanded listener options, yet they were a dismal failure. Introducing digital 8-track recorders/players would add still more listener options, and would be even more hilarious. - So my opinion is invalid because there are other options out there? I think that is similar to saying that owning a car is stupid because I could own a plane.
MasterTheseus wrote: "...and if you have heard a properly broadcast HD Radio station on one of our tuners you would be hard pressed to argue that it doesn't sound stunning, for radio that is..."

Wifi and wired Internet radio can sound just as good or even better, as there are really no bandwidth limitations. - But in this case you still have to buy a wi-fi radio/computer, and use you PAID FOR internet connection. . . Still buying equipment and/or still subscribing to a service to enjoy. Gee. . . That sounds almost similar to HD Radio except for the subscription thing.

MasterTheseus wrote: "...And all it cost me was the price of a radio I was likely to buy anyway..."

You assume at your own peril. "Radio" content is increasingly available without any need to purchase any kind of dedicated hardware. - I don't assume, if I was going to buy a radio anyway and simply paid a little more for the HD Radio function then all I paid EXTRA fro was the HD Radio function, but I Was still going to buy a radio. Example, we have the WR-2 table-top radio typical retail for $139. I buy the SONY HD radio instead for $199. . . I only paid $60 for HD Radio. If I did it during the rebate, only $20. . . Not a shabby deal. $20 to double the stations I can listen to?
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I'm glad MasterThesus you are showing your true colors on this board!

Now what makes you think people are out there buying a second or third 'table top clock' radio for $139, or $199 to begin with? Perhaps you have not been to Walmart or Sears these days, there are no table top clock radios in those price ranges and as such those HD table radios go unbought and remain either on the shelves or in the back storage of these stores.

Allot of people already own a computer these days, don't know if you know these days in America we're all hooked up, so listening to internet radio is already in our grasp without extra fees as you claim.

You talk about having to buy extra equipment and the cost to listen to satelite but millions did, and YET the cost of equipment like the iPhone cost 3 times what HD radios cost YET people went out in a frenzy to buy these iPhones at the cost of $599-699 and some buying 4-5 iphones at once! HD proponents are just so envious of that Apple marketing it's almost laughable!

So you see it's not the cost of buying HD radios, it's 'Do I need an HD radio in my life now?' or 'Do I care about terrestrial radio enough to spend $99?'. When you can honestly answer those questions regarding WHAT the public wants... then maybe you and Sangean have something to offer.

Radiopilot
 
MasterTheseus said:
vsa said:
MasterTheseus wrote: "...What I understand is as a listener, my listening options are expanded..."

Digital compact cassette recorders/players also expanded listener options, yet they were a dismal failure. Introducing digital 8-track recorders/players would add still more listener options, and would be even more hilarious. - So my opinion is invalid because there are other options out there? I think that is similar to saying that owning a car is stupid because I could own a plane.
MasterTheseus wrote: "...and if you have heard a properly broadcast HD Radio station on one of our tuners you would be hard pressed to argue that it doesn't sound stunning, for radio that is..."

Wifi and wired Internet radio can sound just as good or even better, as there are really no bandwidth limitations. - But in this case you still have to buy a wi-fi radio/computer, and use you PAID FOR internet connection. . . Still buying equipment and/or still subscribing to a service to enjoy. Gee. . . That sounds almost similar to HD Radio except for the subscription thing.

MasterTheseus wrote: "...And all it cost me was the price of a radio I was likely to buy anyway..."

You assume at your own peril. "Radio" content is increasingly available without any need to purchase any kind of dedicated hardware. - I don't assume, if I was going to buy a radio anyway and simply paid a little more for the HD Radio function then all I paid EXTRA fro was the HD Radio function, but I Was still going to buy a radio. Example, we have the WR-2 table-top radio typical retail for $139. I buy the SONY HD radio instead for $199. . . I only paid $60 for HD Radio. If I did it during the rebate, only $20. . . Not a shabby deal. $20 to double the stations I can listen to?
 
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You are ASSUMING that people will replace broken radios with traditional or even HD radios. Don't assume. Keep your finger on the pulse of Joe and Jane Consumer and your competition from new technologies. Assuming can kill you!

I'm saying that it is possible to plan for the future with a business vision that isn't a total crapshoot.

I'd hate to see you guys go out of business. Try doing some very basic homework if you intend to stay in business. You need, desperately, to get acquainted with a series of business books by Clayton Christensen from Harvard Business School. Start with his first book "The Innovator's Dilemma."

http://www.amazon.com/Innovators-Di...1644853?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184384164&sr=8-1

Learn how to determine the difference between "sustaining" and "disruptive" technologies and how you can correctly identify each kind. Then learn at what point improvements in sustaining technology go beyond what its best customers are willing to buy. Hint: HD radio is a sustaining technology, designed to sustain traditional radio. Then learn how to get aboard the development and marketing of disruptive technologies to a point where they overtake and kill off the old technology. Hint: Internet and Internet radio (wired and wireless).

Go to an NAB show in Las Vegas. Take a look around the radio area. It keeps shrinking every year. It is possible to figure out WHY.
 
MasterTheseus said:
Well, I think that just as anything, not everything is for every one. Sangean will always attempt to bring the public what they want, whether it be shortwave, DAB, DRM, Wi-fi, HD Radio or other. I feel that HD Radio poses the best promise now, but I also like the concept of Wi-fi, of which we will have later this year. I even like the idea of FMeXtra. I like anything that increases my options.

But free-radio is in the same thought as free press. And I know as a consumer I like the idea of not paying for radio. Just like I don't like paying for air. Best of all, if I don't like HD Radio I can simply subscribe to Satellite, or listen to my crappy MP3 collection bought from iTunes. - Choice is a wonderful thing.
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I'm looking forward to FMeXtra, WIFI, and WI-MAX being added to Sangean radios in the near future. Now that would really be a worthwhile advance, and not just a dead end.
The addition of FMeXtra would probably be a very simple software addition, as both FMeXtra and iBiquity's HD radio use the same basic aacPLUS codec, FMeXtra is simpler, cheaper, not proprietary, same fidelity, has better coverage, and is much more compatible with analog FM then is iBiquity HD radio.
FMeXtra link:
www.dreinc.com
 
I don't mean to shock the HD radio proponents here or disrupt their whole billion dollar promotional campaign, but I already have a computer and internet access as do most other Americans and Info-Radio board readers. So there is no additional or "extra" expense or purchases involved in listening to most internet radio stations, including HD streams. I already do listen to internet radio, with tens of thousands of free internet stations to choose from, and it is truly totally free with no additional expensive new HD radio required.
I can only wonder how HD radio supporters post on all these bulletin boards without already having a computer or internet access?
Is the ability to post on this board without a computer or internet access some yet to be announced, undocumented HD radio feature?
 
Ok, so there are a lot of you that seem to be confused and hell bent on putting words in my mouth.

Firstly, I never assumed what the public is doing. My statement was "all it cost ME..." I made no assumptions or presumptions that the public is doing this. Except that I have noticed it. I know what the average person spends on a radio, how many table-top units are sold anually, and I also know that most people have internet. I was merely pointing out that in order to use internet radio you have to pay a subscription, albeit to DSL phone company, but still a fee. Yes, divide the cost up amongst what else you use the internet for and the cost is mostly insignificant, but the point still rempains. If you can grasp at straws so can I.

Secondly, I will assure you that our experience with HD Radio has been nothing but good! The Component HD Tuners we have on the market are the best selling HD Radio tuners on the market right now. We can barely keep them in stock at the rate we are selling them.

Table-top isn't moving, and movement of table-tops is always in dinicator of when a prduct has hit mainstream. So whom are we selling to? Broadcasters, public radio stations, classical lovers, people that can't get a reliable analog radio signal, people that prefer improved audio quality.

For you to claim that the public doesn't want it, maybe not the public at large, but certainly many do.

And third, believe me when I say, Sangean has been around for over 30 years making some of the worlds best radios, and if HD Radio is not any more successful that what it is today we will not go bankrupt. We will live to be a strong and healthy company for many decades to come.
 
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