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Brother Van Back On KSCS?
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He's been back for a couple of months or more.
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MikeShannon914
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I'm glad to see some of these folks working again (Debi Diaz included,) but you know it's for 1/100th of what they used to make. Still, a slap in the face to those who gave their lives to this biz.
Mike...?
Seriously, "gave their lives"...?
Those of us who have had the pleasure of persuing our passion in the radio business have done so at our own choosing. We must all remember however that this industry is a business, always has been, always will be. Decisions sometimes are made that are very good and sometimes very bad and a lot of in between.
Some choose to leave the business, and for some that decision is made for them, not unlike any other business or industry.
I do not believe I know any one person I have ever encountered in the industry who has "given their life" for the radio business.
I suggest we save those comments for heroes in this world who really have done so like soldiers, police officers, firefighters and the like. To compare radio DJ's with those who've actually put their life on the line for us in the line of duty is a bit over the top!
The industry has changed. In the opinion of many, some for the good, some for the bad, but it has changed. Those of us in the industry have a choice to embrace the change and move forward or decide to do something else. Sitting on the sideline complaining and lamenting the past and longing for the way it used to be is counterproductive to adaptation to remaining in the industry, if that is what you choose.
Seriously, "gave their lives"...?
Those of us who have had the pleasure of persuing our passion in the radio business have done so at our own choosing. We must all remember however that this industry is a business, always has been, always will be. Decisions sometimes are made that are very good and sometimes very bad and a lot of in between.
Some choose to leave the business, and for some that decision is made for them, not unlike any other business or industry.
I do not believe I know any one person I have ever encountered in the industry who has "given their life" for the radio business.
I suggest we save those comments for heroes in this world who really have done so like soldiers, police officers, firefighters and the like. To compare radio DJ's with those who've actually put their life on the line for us in the line of duty is a bit over the top!
The industry has changed. In the opinion of many, some for the good, some for the bad, but it has changed. Those of us in the industry have a choice to embrace the change and move forward or decide to do something else. Sitting on the sideline complaining and lamenting the past and longing for the way it used to be is counterproductive to adaptation to remaining in the industry, if that is what you choose.
Well-said, Steve.
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MikeShannon914
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How do you want it rephrased? "Dedicated one's life"? "Poured every ounce of energy into..."? Sheesh, symantics. I do know several folks who would proudly phrase it the same way I did. What other "life" did Ron have during his time in radio? Same for Gordon McLendon? Don Keyes? R. B. McIntire? Kenny Dowe? Hell, Howard Stern?
Sorry, I guess that's going to be yet another point of contention between us. In the grand scheme, what does it all really matter, anyway. I respect your passion and contributions and such, going back LONG before we ever met, but, as for the management rhetoric, well...
Longing for the old days...sure, why not. Thankfully, I don't rely on the biz to provide a steady income or secure future anymore. What I do in radio now, is all for fun. For me, that's good enough.
BTW, you have a plan for your collections when you're gone? I can't find anyone who has a good answer. I have things I want to unload soon...but with the assurance that someone won't arbitrarily throw things in the garbage 20 years down the line. I can't help but think about all of Michael Spears' airchecks sitting in an estate sale for 25 cents a piece...thankfully, Gimarc rescued what was left.
Bradshaw, anything anti-Shannon is always 'well-said.' :
Sorry, I guess that's going to be yet another point of contention between us. In the grand scheme, what does it all really matter, anyway. I respect your passion and contributions and such, going back LONG before we ever met, but, as for the management rhetoric, well...
Longing for the old days...sure, why not. Thankfully, I don't rely on the biz to provide a steady income or secure future anymore. What I do in radio now, is all for fun. For me, that's good enough.
BTW, you have a plan for your collections when you're gone? I can't find anyone who has a good answer. I have things I want to unload soon...but with the assurance that someone won't arbitrarily throw things in the garbage 20 years down the line. I can't help but think about all of Michael Spears' airchecks sitting in an estate sale for 25 cents a piece...thankfully, Gimarc rescued what was left.
Bradshaw, anything anti-Shannon is always 'well-said.' :
The point is that the people you mentioned indeed did dedicate much of their life to radio...but every one you mentioned also had a pretty good life outside of radio while they were in it and outside of it.
Each of them CHOSE to be in the business as long as they were.
Pertaining to management or ownership, well, if you own the place, it's your call. If you don't, it isn't. It's the same in any business. If you choose to work for this person or that, great - if not, you always have the option of making a change.
I've done this on several occasions in my career. I've stayed when other opportunities presented themselves many times mostly because I liked where I was and what I was doing. (In retrospect that probably kept me from doing bigger things). I have also left situations where I was not comfortable doing what I was asked to do, even very recently.
Anger over the evolution of the business is wasted time. Much like other industries, trust me, it isn't going to change, it isn't ever going to be like it was before. Things have moved forward and as I said before, if you want to remain in the business, you move forward with it, not against it. Equally, one always has the option to make a choice to do something else.
I also offer this advice to anyone who will listen. If you've been in radio for more 4 or 5 years and haven't risen to the position you imagined for yourself, it's likely you won't, for whatever reason. You may not be good enough, you may not be as good as you think you are, or you may just not be what current management is looking for.
With that in mind you have the option of working for less at a smaller venue or lower level position, or get on with your life and do something that supports your lifestyle, whatever that may be. If you can't get over the "radio bug", find a station that needs someone part time on the weekends and do it for fun if you have to, but keep your day job.
Each of them CHOSE to be in the business as long as they were.
Pertaining to management or ownership, well, if you own the place, it's your call. If you don't, it isn't. It's the same in any business. If you choose to work for this person or that, great - if not, you always have the option of making a change.
I've done this on several occasions in my career. I've stayed when other opportunities presented themselves many times mostly because I liked where I was and what I was doing. (In retrospect that probably kept me from doing bigger things). I have also left situations where I was not comfortable doing what I was asked to do, even very recently.
Anger over the evolution of the business is wasted time. Much like other industries, trust me, it isn't going to change, it isn't ever going to be like it was before. Things have moved forward and as I said before, if you want to remain in the business, you move forward with it, not against it. Equally, one always has the option to make a choice to do something else.
I also offer this advice to anyone who will listen. If you've been in radio for more 4 or 5 years and haven't risen to the position you imagined for yourself, it's likely you won't, for whatever reason. You may not be good enough, you may not be as good as you think you are, or you may just not be what current management is looking for.
With that in mind you have the option of working for less at a smaller venue or lower level position, or get on with your life and do something that supports your lifestyle, whatever that may be. If you can't get over the "radio bug", find a station that needs someone part time on the weekends and do it for fun if you have to, but keep your day job.
Originally I was going to stay out of this...
Radio “was” my day job. I got to the exact level I wanted to be at under Griffin's leadership. When Griffin retired, the rug was pulled out from under me by upper management. Given the fact it was non-comm, this was the last thing I expected.
Because I can't drive, I can't look for work. So now it's SSDI and SNAP for me. At least I still get to do what I always wanted to do, with Live365. It beats going to an office full of incompetent, office politics driven management any day.
As for Frazee's rants about me on this board, he's a poor little man playing the game of assumption. He got burned badly by his own actions.
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Radio “was” my day job. I got to the exact level I wanted to be at under Griffin's leadership. When Griffin retired, the rug was pulled out from under me by upper management. Given the fact it was non-comm, this was the last thing I expected.
Because I can't drive, I can't look for work. So now it's SSDI and SNAP for me. At least I still get to do what I always wanted to do, with Live365. It beats going to an office full of incompetent, office politics driven management any day.
As for Frazee's rants about me on this board, he's a poor little man playing the game of assumption. He got burned badly by his own actions.
R
Survival in any BUSINESS requires the ability to adapt to the changes in the BUSINESS and Marketplace... It's a continuous learning curve.
Even guys that "wrote the book" such as Bernie Torres who worked with Bill Drake during the heyday of RKO told the air-staff at a station I was working which he and George Burns were consulting, was everything they wrote in "the book" at the time was BS... But it worked and "the book" was/is constantly being re-written everyday.
The point I'm attempting to make:
The ability to adapt was then and still is today, how you survive and thrive in radio.
Jay Walker
Even guys that "wrote the book" such as Bernie Torres who worked with Bill Drake during the heyday of RKO told the air-staff at a station I was working which he and George Burns were consulting, was everything they wrote in "the book" at the time was BS... But it worked and "the book" was/is constantly being re-written everyday.
The point I'm attempting to make:
The ability to adapt was then and still is today, how you survive and thrive in radio.
Jay Walker
Because I can't drive, I can't look for work. So now it's SSDI and SNAP for me. At least I still get to do what I always wanted to do, with Live365. It beats going to an office full of incompetent, office politics driven management any day
...am I getting this right? You'd rather depend on government assistance rather than find a way to get out and find a meaningful job full of incompetent office politics driven by management...?
I'm sure that is exactly the kind of people who top the HR departments hiring lists at broadcast facilities across America.
...am I getting this right? You'd rather depend on government assistance rather than find a way to get out and find a meaningful job full of incompetent office politics driven by management...?
I'm sure that is exactly the kind of people who top the HR departments hiring lists at broadcast facilities across America.
Steve,
Sorry, I thought everyone here knew about my disabilities. I am legally blind, so I can't drive. That gets in the way of things like looking for work. We don't have DART over here in Mesquite either.
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Sorry, I thought everyone here knew about my disabilities. I am legally blind, so I can't drive. That gets in the way of things like looking for work. We don't have DART over here in Mesquite either.
R
talk to Blake Lindsey
Steve, Mike and Jay....you've all made some excellent points. I agree, things change and we must adapt. I think the biggest concern is that with many of the changes we've seen today, far too many talented people have lost jobs. Let's face it. On-air positions are not as plentiful today. And with some of the major companies facing mounting debt payments, don't look for any positive moves anytime soon. Steve, that's where you are correct in saying that adaptation is critical for anyone hoping to survive in this crazy biz. As to Mike's statement that some "gave their lives" for radio, I believe that was just a figure of speech. As someone who enlisted in the Marine Corps at the age of 17, I was not offended.
Jason Walker
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