BULLETIN....BLUE WATER TO LMA MAGIC STATIONS IN DOTHAN

[pnut rox]

Hey pnut....12+? Now there's a predictor of success!!! Lil ol Bluewater does just fine thank you. Just ask Clueuless and Cheap Channel how the're doing vs. Bluewater. 12+ ain't good for nothin but a family reunion!

With that comment alone, I tip my hat to Bluewater! In the land of peanuts, the only mindset of the rankings are the 12+. IF you can change that mindset maybe you are the magician?


Flipping formats, so soon. I guess we will have the change of name of Wiregrass to Little Montgomery.

 

[Stewy]

Stewy,

Maybe you should change your name to Mr. Potter cause you sure come across as a "warped frustrated, angry old man". Give it a break...Nobody from the days you were here and got fired exists anymore. New management and new operators...and from our first impression a good staff. You sure are buzz killer son. That's the only thing that's "tragic".

I'll burst your prodding right now. The processing is MUCH BETTER, the musical flow is MUCH BETTER. Give me a few days and I'll figure out the engineer(s) that were hired to come in and do the work (the best have their own unique signature). 24+ days commercial free should give time to get some ads on the station. As stated before, good luck to Blue, maybe trajic has learned their lesson and will stay out of the way but my gut still tells me the lawyers will have their day before this is over. Anything is an improvement over what has been.

 

[Tidd-a-lee winks]

I listened to LDA Today really no different other than liners and no music from 2000-present. Sounds like an old AC station stuck in the past, hasn't this been tried before with the whole My 103.9 in it's beginning?

 

[sflaboy]

Well, maybe you should mosey up ol 231 about 90 miles and check out the "old been done before" Greatest Hits of All Time format in Montgomery...#2 25-54 non ethnic, and Men, #2 35-64 Adults and Men - all stations. Now that there is sellable demos. But you know, it's been 1 whole day on the air...I'm sure you experts know what your talking about! Those that can DO....

 

[pnut rox]

"Those that can DO...." or at least try!

I have moseied up Ol' 231 about 90 miles and well....being in the demo's you quoted, which is sellable but not the conveted demo...best of luck to you in the land of peanuts!

 

[radioresearcher]

Well, maybe you should mosey up ol 231 about 90 miles and check out the "old been done before" Greatest Hits of All Time format in Montgomery...#2 25-54 non ethnic, and Men, #2 35-64 Adults and Men - all stations. Now that there is sellable demos. But you know, it's been 1 whole day on the air...I'm sure you experts know what your talking about! Those that can DO....

If it sounds like Q96.1 in Montgomery, there's a hole in the marketplace (a pretty obvious one), since WJRL flipped to "The Edge"

Q96.1 is delivering with a Class A. WOOF no longer owns a wide broad base of demos.

 

[zuzu petals]

Well, maybe you should mosey up ol 231 about 90 miles and check out the "old been done before" Greatest Hits of All Time format in Montgomery...#2 25-54 non ethnic, and Men, #2 35-64 Adults and Men - all stations. Now that there is sellable demos. But you know, it's been 1 whole day on the air...I'm sure you experts know what your talking about! Those that can DO....

.... WOOF no longer owns a wide broad base of demos.

and you determined this how?

 

[momnpop]

If Dothan gets a station like Q96 in Montgomery, look out. The Wiregrass has long needed a real "greatest pop hits" station .. not beautiful music, country, or hip-hop - all of which seem to be covering the dial.

This station is for people who grew up in the '70s and '80s and liked the rock of the era (Elton John, Kiss, Steely Dan) as well as the pop stuff (Olivia Newton-John, 10cc, Michael Jackson) and the MELODIC soul records (The Spinners, The O'Jays). Personally, I love the format.

 

[pnut rox]

Well, maybe you should mosey up ol 231 about 90 miles and check out the "old been done before" Greatest Hits of All Time format in Montgomery...#2 25-54 non ethnic, and Men, #2 35-64 Adults and Men - all stations. Now that there is sellable demos. But you know, it's been 1 whole day on the air...I'm sure you experts know what your talking about! Those that can DO....

If it sounds like Q96.1 in Montgomery, there's a hole in the marketplace (a pretty obvious one), since WJRL flipped to "The Edge"

Q96.1 is delivering with a Class A. WOOF no longer owns a wide broad base of demos.

Researcher-

When you have time some day I can teach you to read a diary!

While you dabbled in this market, you ruined a few stations that just needed some tweeking. Now don't taking the credit for creating MY103.9, you basically ripped of another format and made a few changes! WOOF is leading the way in this market, and we can thank Styles, and Magic for ruining some of the most popular station in the area for their own and a few select followers enjoyment!

WOW! Let me step off my soapbox, I didn't mean to go a tirade. There are plenty of format holes on the dial, but I really think I would focus fixing my bigger sticks first then work on my smaller ones.

 

[Stewy]

Prox replies truthfully with Researcher. Researcher all by himself (with the help of family members) succeeded in killing the old KMX. He even said to the former male half of the old morning show that he didn't know what he was doing and the only reason KMX did so well for so long was that ALL the others stations were even worse. The only time that I saw that kind, easy-going face turn to instant rage.

Researcher was wrong about 106.7. He was wrong about 100.5 He was wrong about 103.9. Researcher is just wrong. He USED to say, "That's how clear channel does it", guess he was wrong about that example to follow as well. I must agree with sflaboy with something I've said and posted before, "Those that can, do; those that can't, teach; and those that can't teach, consult". A statement not true in every situation but AA, it holds so very true for you. Go back to the basement and continue pretending to be the savant that you are not. The lights are coming back on in the kitchen and you'll be stepped on if you don't scurry away killing.

 

[1976]

Gentlemen, chill, before this gets moved outside. 100.5 is sounding its best in years. Processing is very good. My best guess for an average listener is M55-58 from what I heard this morning and afternoon. It’s basically an older, softer My1039 and blocks TRP, at least initially, from a similar move on 93.7. Based on My1039’s impact, under BJ, then JH, not double a, give them (100.5) two books for a 4. But, the logic in attracting the core WTVY demo however is????? Speaking of that, how’s that ‘one’ working for ya kvd? Lmao. Yes, researcher, there were some very odd holes in the last book, which on the surface may lead some to jump to preconceived notions. Did younger women suddenly vanish, plucked from the Wiregrass by some giant space booty magnet, or is it a statistically anomaly? Arbitron NEVER has those, does it? I am reminded of a bumper sticker seen lately: I’m glad you’re opinionated. Try being informed.

Best of luck to all.

 

[headlandradio]

Well....I guess that this possibly could turn out to be a convoluted business partnership. However, I think that this was a great move by Magic. Clearly they were unable to program their stations effectively...so now they have decided to let someone else try. I think it took a lot of honest self realization and thinking outside the box to make this move. We'll see how it works out!

BTW up here in Birmingham/Tuscaloosa there is a classic hits station "106.9 The Eagle", I absolutely love that station and format. I would put it on a signal bigger than WLDA though.

They could have got he so called "Radio People" to do it and we could have had country all the way down dial...Ahhh! What could have been!!

 

[radioresearcher]

Prox replies truthfully with Researcher. Researcher all by himself (with the help of family members) succeeded in killing the old KMX. He even said to the former male half of the old morning show that he didn't know what he was doing and the only reason KMX did so well for so long was that ALL the others stations were even worse. The only time that I saw that kind, easy-going face turn to instant rage.

Researcher was wrong about 106.7. He was wrong about 100.5 He was wrong about 103.9. Researcher is just wrong. He USED to say, "That's how clear channel does it", guess he was wrong about that example to follow as well. I must agree with sflaboy with something I've said and posted before, "Those that can, do; those that can't, teach; and those that can't teach, consult". A statement not true in every situation but AA, it holds so very true for you. Go back to the basement and continue pretending to be the savant that you are not. The lights are coming back on in the kitchen and you'll be stepped on if you don't scurry away killing.

Say what? That's how Clear Channel does it? Amazing how you make up things.

How's the cable business going? Or did you get fired from that too?

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

WOOF has a very broad demo to itself right now and they need to chip away at it.

 

[radioresearcher]

Gentlemen, chill, before this gets moved outside. 100.5 is sounding its best in years. Processing is very good. My best guess for an average listener is M55-58 from what I heard this morning and afternoon. It’s basically an older, softer My1039 and blocks TRP, at least initially, from a similar move on 93.7. Based on My1039’s impact, under BJ, then JH, not double a, give them (100.5) two books for a 4. But, the logic in attracting the core WTVY demo however is????? Speaking of that, how’s that ‘one’ working for ya kvd? Lmao. Yes, researcher, there were some very odd holes in the last book, which on the surface may lead some to jump to preconceived notions. Did younger women suddenly vanish, plucked from the Wiregrass by some giant space booty magnet, or is it a statistically anomaly? Arbitron NEVER has those, does it? I am reminded of a bumper sticker seen lately: I’m glad you’re opinionated. Try being informed.

Best of luck to all.

It was me, not JH or BJ, who developed and launched MY.

However, BJ and JH did a very good job. And they were perfect for that station. If they were still running it, it would still be winning and there today.

I still laugh at how you guys cannot let it go.

BTW, all the Styles people are all doing great with successful businesses. How about you?

 

[whodouthinkur]

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

Hmmm...I just had to make some corrections....as usual. Let's take them 1 by 1, shall we?

A 21.3 F18-34 is your idea of kmx floundering? I think (I don't have time on the blackberry) we've actually got u admitting in some previous threads that kmx wasn't as bad as you like to proclaim. IM me and once again my offer stands to email you a pdf copy of the book (2005).

The floundering came after aa took over playing prince, madonna, and kelly clarkson every 8 minutes.

TVY got the high numbers because of....well, see above. Reminds me of my favorite picture...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/MaryF13/lolcat/edumacation.jpg


I believe MY was put in place after aa and styles were pushed out by the magician.

Now, Bluewater, yes, is probably trying to help.

The problem is that they are repeating many of the mistakes of others brought in from out of market that don't understand that Dothan is unlike almost any other market.

Anyone who works/has worked and succeeded in Dothan knows it's very odd.

The Styles/Magic group could have been a much bigger success. But there was too much in-fighting....between management. Owners/investors each trying to control the company and take it in different direction. A husband and wife team doing....things that weren't quite right. And a magician getting other employees to let him know things going on. Then, pushing them out of the way once he got the info he needed to do what he did. (vague on purpose)

The cluster had a team in place a few years ago that had a plan that, knowing the market, would work.

Instead, out of market people were brought in to fix things that were broken on purpose!

AA brought in with 1 purpose...to help tvy ratings no matter which sister stations got hurt (and no matter how much the other stations brought in revenue wise)

There was Keith (who bailed when he had the chance...just as we told the magician he would)

Then all the CC guys don brought in

And now bluewater.

Heck, it almost sounds like aa is vying for another go round. That my friend, is lmfao.

Successful companies? Yes. PD of a 5 station cluster.

Thanks for playing!

 

[radioresearcher]

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

Hmmm...I just had to make some corrections....as usual. Let's take them 1 by 1, shall we?

A 21.3 F18-34 is your idea of kmx floundering? I think (I don't have time on the blackberry) we've actually got u admitting in some previous threads that kmx wasn't as bad as you like to proclaim. IM me and once again my offer stands to email you a pdf copy of the book (2005).

The floundering came after aa took over playing prince, madonna, and kelly clarkson every 8 minutes.

TVY got the high numbers because of....well, see above. Reminds me of my favorite picture...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/MaryF13/lolcat/edumacation.jpg


I believe MY was put in place after aa and styles were pushed out by the magician.

Now, Bluewater, yes, is probably trying to help.

The problem is that they are repeating many of the mistakes of others brought in from out of market that don't understand that Dothan is unlike almost any other market.

Anyone who works/has worked and succeeded in Dothan knows it's very odd.

The Styles/Magic group could have been a much bigger success. But there was too much in-fighting....between management. Owners/investors each trying to control the company and take it in different direction. A husband and wife team doing....things that weren't quite right. And a magician getting other employees to let him know things going on. Then, pushing them out of the way once he got the info he needed to do what he did. (vague on purpose)

The cluster had a team in place a few years ago that had a plan that, knowing the market, would work.

Instead, out of market people were brought in to fix things that were broken on purpose!

AA brought in with 1 purpose...to help tvy ratings no matter which sister stations got hurt (and no matter how much the other stations brought in revenue wise)

There was Keith (who bailed when he had the chance...just as we told the magician he would)

Then all the CC guys don brought in

And now bluewater.

Heck, it almost sounds like aa is vying for another go round. That my friend, is lmfao.

Successful companies? Yes. PD of a 5 station cluster.

Thanks for playing!

WKMX: final book under Doc's team: mid 5 25-54 ... Styles numbers were flat after that

Styles cluster before bringing in outside help in (WTVY, WBBK, WJRL, WXUS): mid 11-share

Styles cluster (not including WKMX): Spring 2006 which is when I left: 30 share

WKMX lost half its audience because of the Styles flank long before it was sold.

Did Styles hurt WKMX -absolutely - using its stations to flank it BEFORE they bought it.

 

[radioresearcher]

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

Hmmm...I just had to make some corrections....as usual. Let's take them 1 by 1, shall we?

A 21.3 F18-34 is your idea of kmx floundering? I think (I don't have time on the blackberry) we've actually got u admitting in some previous threads that kmx wasn't as bad as you like to proclaim. IM me and once again my offer stands to email you a pdf copy of the book (2005).

The floundering came after aa took over playing prince, madonna, and kelly clarkson every 8 minutes.

TVY got the high numbers because of....well, see above. Reminds me of my favorite picture...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/MaryF13/lolcat/edumacation.jpg


I believe MY was put in place after aa and styles were pushed out by the magician.

Now, Bluewater, yes, is probably trying to help.

The problem is that they are repeating many of the mistakes of others brought in from out of market that don't understand that Dothan is unlike almost any other market.

Anyone who works/has worked and succeeded in Dothan knows it's very odd.

The Styles/Magic group could have been a much bigger success. But there was too much in-fighting....between management. Owners/investors each trying to control the company and take it in different direction. A husband and wife team doing....things that weren't quite right. And a magician getting other employees to let him know things going on. Then, pushing them out of the way once he got the info he needed to do what he did. (vague on purpose)

The cluster had a team in place a few years ago that had a plan that, knowing the market, would work.

Instead, out of market people were brought in to fix things that were broken on purpose!

AA brought in with 1 purpose...to help tvy ratings no matter which sister stations got hurt (and no matter how much the other stations brought in revenue wise)

There was Keith (who bailed when he had the chance...just as we told the magician he would)

Then all the CC guys don brought in

And now bluewater.

Heck, it almost sounds like aa is vying for another go round. That my friend, is lmfao.

Successful companies? Yes. PD of a 5 station cluster.

Thanks for playing!

Husband and wife team do just fine. They've run over a dozen very successful stations and now operate or partner in extremely successful non-radio businesses.

WTVY was absolutely the main focus and it was done correctly and it WON.

AP deserves a lot of that credit ... it was a good team, and a winning team.

My was a Styles idea and launched prior to my departure. The former WKMX people were a good choice.

My question is, other than JH, how many of the old WKMX people are still working in radio?

I actually think a lot of the old WKMX staffers are good radio people... it's the way they make up things that aren't true.

 

[sflaboy]

Here's a suggestion....why don't some of you so called "Dothan" experts come apply for a job. If you're really that good as broadcasters - radio in particular, then you will fit in with Bluewater. Ask around about us. Our management team is one of the best in the state. We've operated Montgomery for 5 years...don't have any no-competes....and not one person....LET ME REPEAT THAT....not one person has ever left us to go across the street to a competitor. That's a record that we are personally proud of. I think it speaks volumes.

If any of you pundits really have anything constructive to contribute, we'd love to talk to you. But, from my initial read of this string....damn!

 

[sflaboy]

Hey pnut rox....#2 25-54 (adults, men non-ethnic) not a sellable demo? Now we know you're a knucklehead - and we've been here less than a week. Tell ya what....post your resume online and let everyone see where this great wealth of insight comes from...I'll do the same. You first.

 

[radioresearcher]

Here's a suggestion....why don't some of you so called "Dothan" experts come apply for a job. If you're really that good as broadcasters - radio in particular, then you will fit in with Bluewater. Ask around about us. Our management team is one of the best in the state. We've operated Montgomery for 5 years...don't have any no-competes....and not one person....LET ME REPEAT THAT....not one person has ever left us to go across the street to a competitor. That's a record that we are personally proud of. I think it speaks volumes.

If any of you pundits really have anything constructive to contribute, we'd love to talk to you. But, from my initial read of this string....damn!

Great post ... However, outsiders are not welcome and don't understand anything about the market.

Do good radio and you will win. Every market has its nuances. Styles took the cluster to a 30 share in demo and we were still criticized because of being outsiders.

Local radio wins all the time. And there were some very good people at WKMX.