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Bye, Bye Doggies!

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OldAkronite

If the usual Doghouse suspects are gonna talk smack about temporary KIFR/106.9 "Free FM" morning team JV and Elvis, they're gonna have to do it on the New York City board.

AllAccess reports that KIFR "Free FM" sister WFNY/92.3 in NYC (until now, known as WXRK) has confirmed the show will move to that station in January, in middays. The announcement was made shortly after Howard Stern's last show on his flagship station. The "Doghouse" guys announced it on their own show before it was officially confirmed.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Over/Under

> If the usual Doghouse suspects are gonna talk smack about
> temporary KIFR/106.9 "Free FM" morning team JV and Elvis,
> they're gonna have to do it on the New York City board.
>
> AllAccess reports that KIFR "Free FM" sister WFNY/92.3 in
> NYC (until now, known as WXRK) has confirmed the show will
> move to that station in January, in middays. The
> announcement was made shortly after Howard Stern's last show
> on his flagship station. The "Doghouse" guys announced it
> on their own show before it was officially confirmed.
>
> -OA
>
for the Doghouse, or JV and Elvis as they are being called in NY:

8 months
 
Re: Over/Under

> for the Doghouse, or JV and Elvis as they are being called
> in NY:
>
> 8 months

Could you INTELLIGENTLY explain why you say that? Honestly, I liked the Doghouse (except in their last 2 years) and I think they'll do fine in NYC. But I also like conversation and I'm curious as to your intelligent opinion thinking they won't last. Please try to stay away from the cliche "they suck" "they're lame" comments that people who've never listened to more than an hour of the Doghouse tend to say.

Looking forward to it.
 
Re: Over/Under

> Please try to stay away from the cliche "they
> suck" "they're lame" comments that people who've never
> listened to more than an hour of the Doghouse tend to say.


....But, But, But...If the shoe does fit..

Or..

...Walks like a duck, talks like a duck....



Good Luck JV and Elvis, you've got a clean slate of people who don't dislike you yet. Don't burn any bridges.
 
Re: Over/Under

> > Please try to stay away from the cliche "they
> > suck" "they're lame" comments that people who've never
> > listened to more than an hour of the Doghouse tend to say.
>
>
>
> ....But, But, But...If the shoe does fit..
>
> Or..
>
> ...Walks like a duck, talks like a duck....
>
>
>
> Good Luck JV and Elvis, you've got a clean slate of people
> who don't dislike you yet. Don't burn any bridges.
>
Okay,

It was a sarcastic comment because I think we have talked about this to death before.

First, their lead in is DLR, a rocker. The then kick it to Penn, a guy with a Rock type attitude. As much as they have tried to change, they still have that urban edge to them.

Second, part of what makes them popular here is they know the area. Not so much so in NYC. The folks in New York are very picky people about who they take on as their own. More so than SF. Another strike.

Third, they still get stuck talking too much about JV's religious transformation. That is not going to fly there. Or bringing in a pyschic. Penn's entire act is debunking that type of stuff. Which show is Infinity going to back there?

I think they are being put in a bad situation. A non-pro before them. A station where they can't do anything Stern like or they will get called on it immediately. Honestly, if they try to do some bit, don't you think a Stern fan is going to call in and say, "Howard did that in 1984"?

Mid-days bring out the coffee and bar crowd, not the nightclub crowd that they are used to, as well. So they are not going to be able to try to get that following either.

All in all, I think they are sacrificial lambs untill they can get someone with New York experience there.
 
Re: Over/Under

> > > Please try to stay away from the cliche "they
> > > suck" "they're lame" comments that people who've never
> > > listened to more than an hour of the Doghouse tend to
> say.
> >
> >
> >
> > ....But, But, But...If the shoe does fit..
> >
> > Or..
> >
> > ...Walks like a duck, talks like a duck....
> >
> >
> >
> > Good Luck JV and Elvis, you've got a clean slate of people
>
> > who don't dislike you yet. Don't burn any bridges.
> >
> Okay,
>
> It was a sarcastic comment because I think we have talked
> about this to death before.
>
> First, their lead in is DLR, a rocker. The then kick it to
> Penn, a guy with a Rock type attitude. As much as they have
> tried to change, they still have that urban edge to them.
>
> Second, part of what makes them popular here is they know
> the area. Not so much so in NYC. The folks in New York are
> very picky people about who they take on as their own. More
> so than SF. Another strike.
>
> Third, they still get stuck talking too much about JV's
> religious transformation. That is not going to fly there. Or
> bringing in a pyschic. Penn's entire act is debunking that
> type of stuff. Which show is Infinity going to back there?
>
> I think they are being put in a bad situation. A non-pro
> before them. A station where they can't do anything Stern
> like or they will get called on it immediately. Honestly, if
> they try to do some bit, don't you think a Stern fan is
> going to call in and say, "Howard did that in 1984"?
>
> Mid-days bring out the coffee and bar crowd, not the
> nightclub crowd that they are used to, as well. So they are
> not going to be able to try to get that following either.
>
> All in all, I think they are sacrificial lambs untill they
> can get someone with New York experience there.
>



I know this is sacrilege, but Im willing to wait until they get to NY and let them do thier thing for a while before I pass judgment as to if they will sink or swim.

Crazy I know but thats how I roll.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by FluxCapacitor on 12/17/05 09:28 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Over/Under

> As much as they have
> tried to change, they still have that urban edge to them.

See, they did some bits that may have been "urban" but they don't have an Urban edge at all. They talk about topical issues that are mass appeal, not about what Jesse Jackson is bitching about this week (and then agreeing). Their content was not Urban on Wild. I think you needed to just LISTEN to them... not listen to them with the mindset of "they were on wild 94.9." Maybe you're just used to hearing those voices on Wild and you associate that with Urban, but I don't hear an Urban edge at all.
 
Re: Over/Under

> > As much as they have
> > tried to change, they still have that urban edge to them.
>
> See, they did some bits that may have been "urban" but they
> don't have an Urban edge at all. They talk about topical
> issues that are mass appeal, not about what Jesse Jackson is
> bitching about this week (and then agreeing). Their content
> was not Urban on Wild. I think you needed to just LISTEN to
> them... not listen to them with the mindset of "they were on
> wild 94.9." Maybe you're just used to hearing those voices
> on Wild and you associate that with Urban, but I don't hear
> an Urban edge at all.
>
I have listened. On both stations. I guess we are going to disagree on the "urban" point.

I am going to give them credit. I enjoyed them when they were in San Jose. What really turned me off to them on WILD were their horrible prank phone calls. They say WILD management forced them to do them and they have dropped them.

We can go back and forth on this. I think if they were just left here on KIFR, they might do okay, but my opinion is that if they go to a strange market with an audience much harder than SF, in a strange daypart, they are not going to cut it. I have not heard the overall news/talk/entertainment of their show that will make it in New York.

What I think will give them their lone chance to make it in NY is if they lose their egos totally. And, I just don't see that. They already broke their move early. Part of their schtick is "We are who we are, we were #1," etc., etc. That will not work in New York to start off with.
 
Re: Over/Under

> What I think will give them their lone chance to make it in
> NY is if they lose their egos totally. And, I just don't see
> that. They already broke their move early. Part of their
> schtick is "We are who we are, we were #1," etc., etc. That
> will not work in New York to start off with.

That could be their biggest problem. New York is NOT kind to "interlopers".

Oh, it can be done. Rush Limbaugh would be one example of a NYC outsider who became popular there. But even Rush had to do a local show on WABC/770 for a year or so until he picked up steam. For that matter, ditto (so to speak) with Rush's afternoon drive counterpart on WABC, Sean Hannity...only he was local for much longer than Rush was.

But, it's not easy. The one thing the Doggies have going for them is that they aren't trying to syndicate out of NYC...they will have to be local, as adding the extra syndication baggage before you establish yourself as a NYC show is not even remotely possible. I know there are rumblings of some "within-Free-FM" syndication for afternoon drive's "The Radio Chick", but I'd be shocked if any of that happened with the Doggies at the outset.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Over/Under

> > > > Please try to stay away from the cliche "they
> > > > suck" "they're lame" comments that people who've never
>
> > > > listened to more than an hour of the Doghouse tend to
> > say.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ....But, But, But...If the shoe does fit..
> > >
> > > Or..
> > >
> > > ...Walks like a duck, talks like a duck....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good Luck JV and Elvis, you've got a clean slate of
> people
> >
> > > who don't dislike you yet. Don't burn any bridges.
> > >
> > Okay,
> >
> > It was a sarcastic comment because I think we have talked
> > about this to death before.
> >
> > First, their lead in is DLR, a rocker. The then kick it to
>
> > Penn, a guy with a Rock type attitude. As much as they
> have
> > tried to change, they still have that urban edge to them.
> >
> > Second, part of what makes them popular here is they know
> > the area. Not so much so in NYC. The folks in New York are
>
> > very picky people about who they take on as their own.
> More
> > so than SF. Another strike.
> >
> > Third, they still get stuck talking too much about JV's
> > religious transformation. That is not going to fly there.
> Or
> > bringing in a pyschic. Penn's entire act is debunking that
>
> > type of stuff. Which show is Infinity going to back there?
>
> >
> > I think they are being put in a bad situation. A non-pro
> > before them. A station where they can't do anything Stern
> > like or they will get called on it immediately. Honestly,
> if
> > they try to do some bit, don't you think a Stern fan is
> > going to call in and say, "Howard did that in 1984"?
> >
> > Mid-days bring out the coffee and bar crowd, not the
> > nightclub crowd that they are used to, as well. So they
> are
> > not going to be able to try to get that following either.
> >
> > All in all, I think they are sacrificial lambs untill they
>
> > can get someone with New York experience there.
> >
>
>
>
> I know this is sacrilege, but Im willing to wait until they
> get to NY and let them do thier thing for a while before I
> pass judgment as to if they will sink or swim.
>
> Crazy I know but thats how I roll.
>
Having listened to them on all 3 stations here. And, having worked in NYC. And, since my radio doesn't pick up 92.3 from NY too well here in the Bay Area and they don't stream, that is why I gave my opinion early.

If I am wrong, I am wrong, and good for them.
 
Re: Also regarding "Urban"

> > > As much as they have
> > > tried to change, they still have that urban edge to
> them.
> >
> > See, they did some bits that may have been "urban" but
> they
> > don't have an Urban edge at all. They talk about topical
> > issues that are mass appeal, not about what Jesse Jackson
> is
> > bitching about this week (and then agreeing). Their
> content
> > was not Urban on Wild. I think you needed to just LISTEN
> to
> > them... not listen to them with the mindset of "they were
> on
> > wild 94.9." Maybe you're just used to hearing those voices
>
> > on Wild and you associate that with Urban, but I don't
> hear
> > an Urban edge at all.
> >

You make it sound like I made it a white/black thing when I said urban. That is not true at all. They appeal to the young, hip-hop crowd, which honestly is just as much white as it is black these days.

I worked at KMEL from 1990-92 and am as white as can be, so I know the difference.

As I have said, they talk about spirtuality and have psychics on. That is not a "mass appeal" topic.

Weeks ago, they were trying to make a topic out of "Wife Swap" or one of those spouse changing shows, acting like it was something that many people watched. But, it was up against either the first or second week of "Lost." I don't believe what they were talking about broke a 3.

I totally disagree with the mass appeal part. Now, I am not saying it can't be done. Stern almost always talks about what is popular. But, when they were on in NYC, Opie & Anthony did not, they talked about much more "niche" type things and had a very loyal following, killing in their demographic. The differences are: 1) O&A had a station that revolved around them and 2) I think they are just better radio professionals than the Doghouse. I just don't see their show blending with Roth, Penn, and the Radio Chick (O'Toole plus a couple IQ points.)

I think their best bet is kiss butt for now and try to blend into Roth's show. Then hope he blows or gets tired of coming in every day at 6:00.
 
Re: Also regarding "Urban"

> I totally disagree with the mass appeal part. Now, I am not
> saying it can't be done. Stern almost always talks about
> what is popular.

Ok, this statement says it all. Our definitions of radio hosts are completely opposite. I don't think Howard Stern is mass appeal at all. Just my opinion. I used to listen to him, but he became predictable very quickly... for me anyway.

By mass appeal I didn't mean every word they say is mass appeal. Spirituality is ONE topic. Psychics are another (usually). TV Show Wife Swap is a "manly" topic, which they are targeting men. LOST is a PERSONS show with a fairly strong FEMALE lean in its demographics... doesn't mean they can't talk about it obviously. They should... But by MASS APPEAL I meant their RANGE of topics are mass appeal.
 
Re: Over/Under

> Oh, it can be done. Rush Limbaugh would be one example of a
> NYC outsider who became popular there. But even Rush had to
> do a local show on WABC/770 for a year or so until he picked
> up steam. For that matter, ditto (so to speak) with Rush's
> afternoon drive counterpart on WABC, Sean Hannity...only he
> was local for much longer than Rush was.

And Hannity is a New Yorker by birth, Rush being from the midwest.

> But, it's not easy. The one thing the Doggies have going
> for them is that they aren't trying to syndicate out of
> NYC...they will have to be local, as adding the extra
> syndication baggage before you establish yourself as a NYC
> show is not even remotely possible. I know there are
> rumblings of some "within-Free-FM" syndication for afternoon
> drive's "The Radio Chick", but I'd be shocked if any of that
> happened with the Doggies at the outset.

Please, more syndication ventures featuring failed hosts.
 
Syndication - Successful and Failed

> And Hannity is a New Yorker by birth, Rush being from the
> midwest.

Indeed. For despite the fact that Hannity went to college in southern California, and got his first breaks in the south (WVNN/Huntsville AL, WGST/Atlanta), he's a native New Yorker and lives on Lawn Guyland.

As far as Rush goes - WABC agreed to the deal for a couple of reasons. 1) Rush's syndicator at the time was a former ABC Radio network executive (Ed McLaughlin) and 2) he agreed to do that local show at first.

Eventually, WABC relented and carried his national show, when it started becoming more popular nationwide.

> Please, more syndication ventures featuring failed hosts.

But in the case I brought up, WFNY "92.3 Free FM" afternooner Leslie "Radio Chick" Gold would be offered to some of the other "Free FM" stations. It's not a wide net they're casting...she'd basically just be offered to fill time slots at stations that need talk programming, badly.

The only problem I have with this - what stations would she be heard on? Aren't most of the "Free FM" stations set in afternoon drive ET? She's not gonna be on WJFK/Washington or WHFS/Baltimore, due to the long-established Don & Mike show. For that matter, since WJFK has announced it'll be carrying CBS' Jay Severin in nights and WHFS goes to alt-rock after 7, she wouldn't be heard on delay there, either.

What's 94.1/Philly doing in afternoon drive under the new talk format?

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: Syndication - Successful and Failed

> But in the case I brought up, WFNY "92.3 Free FM"
> afternooner Leslie "Radio Chick" Gold would be offered to
> some of the other "Free FM" stations. It's not a wide net
> they're casting...she'd basically just be offered to fill
> time slots at stations that need talk programming, badly.

Yes, like the Triplets in LA adding Sandy Eggo and now here in Phoenix. I think if they cast their net any further, the act will get worn out. While I understand the appeal of local programming in SF, I think they should probably stick to markets in Cali. And for all the doomsday predictions of Leykis' impending clearance on the new FreeFM in Phoenix, you'd think FH&F's act is even more provincial.

That being said, the Radio Chic should stick to doing podcasts. From what little I've heard of her act, I understand the sentiments of the many decrying her (re)hiring. The smaller syndication roster of shows like Don and Mike make them easier to incorporate into a local sounding delivery. You can't do that with Rush's 650 stations based on the fact that he has to appeal to every nook and cranny of the country. D&M, as an example, could mainly do a NE Corridor schtick and get away with it. So why not use shows like that instead of adding to the dumpheap>
 
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