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Cable channel lineup oddities

Since Minneapolis Big 4 are 4,5,9,11 the odds of someone in market having it above 13 is pretty much nil. In the Northern areas of the market where Bemidji's PBS KAWE is on 9 OTA they put FOX 9 KMSP at 8,10 or 13
 
now an actual example.
The following systems in the Mankato DMA (which is Martin, Watonwan, Blue Earth and Brown counties) where KEYC-DT2 FOX is above 13. The market technically is just KEYC CBS and subchannel FOX

Charter in Mankato area has it on 19
Comcast in New Ulm has it on 16
Fort Randall Telecom in Trimont, Truman, and Welcome its on 24
Mediacom in St James and Butterfield have it on 20
 
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Sjobergs Cable in Roseau, Warroad, Greenbush, Badger, and Baudette Minnesota (Fargo DMA) carries KBRR FOX on 17...and to top it off its not in lifeline (their lifeline is 3-13 which in these markets have cable stations....was posted in other thread already)
 
here is one on a technicality

Mid Rivers in Miles City, Lewistown, Glendive and Sidney have ALL their Big 4 above 13.....because the list starts at 100 ;)
The Big 4 are at 102,103,104,105
 
Does DIRECTV count? They carry the local channels on their original pre-DTV OTA channel numbers. So here in Hartford NBC is on 30 (WVIT) an FOX is on 61 (WTIC-TV).

What I don't get is why they carry My Network TV (WCTX) on Channel 59 - their old OTA Channel number. They've been branded as "Channel 9" because of their Cable Position for over 10 years now. They were "WB-59" and then when they switched to UPN they branded as "The X" and then became "UPN 9" and now they are known as "MY TV 9".
 
I wouldn't count Dish or Directv because they do put the station in their "legacy" slot. Satellite didn't have the restrictions that cable did when placing channels in specific slots. When cable was all analog the systems had a lifeline package of 2-13 or 2-23 in bigger markets with a filter on above that to block out the signal. When I had lifeline they put a filter on my line outside (but was easily able to be removed) ;) and I had 2-23 and 95-99 (which on cable frequency wise is between 13 & 14 if I remember.) This forced cable systems to put UHF stations in that area. With most systems being all digital this restriction is not needed and systems could feasibly put the stations on their "legacy" numbers. I know there are some IPTV systems here in MN where they do that. Limited basic is 2-100 and they put the stations at their legacy numbers and subs next to them (if they can) or in the vicinity.

What I don't get is why they carry My Network TV (WCTX) on Channel 59 - their old OTA Channel number. They've been branded as "Channel 9" because of their Cable Position for over 10 years now. They were "WB-59" and then when they switched to UPN they branded as "The X" and then became "UPN 9" and now they are known as "MY TV 9".
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because satellite doesn't care what "gimmick" a station uses. Stations use gimmicks because of cable placement. You will see this in markets where its mainly UHF stations (back in the analog days). Great example is Ft Myers Florida. They had one VHF station (WINK 11). The rest were on UHF so they used their cable slot as their gimmick
NBC 2 (20) 20 being their old analog number
PBS "TV 3" (30)
ABC7 (26)
FOX 4 (36)

Satellite IN MOST CASES uses their old legacy number. Now with subchannels and such they have to use different numbers. Directv usually puts the subchannel next channel wise to the "mothership". So as example in Mankato, MN FOX is KEYC-DT2 12-2. Directv puts CBS on 12 and FOX on 13. Dish uses different numbering. They will put the sub on the RF number that the station uses. If that is already taken, then they use the pre-dtv number. Otherwise they find a spot for it (usually agreed to by the station). So on Dish CBS is on 12 and FOX is on 38. KEYC uses RF12 so thats taken. Their pre-dtv number was 38.

The real oddball ones are when a market gets a station imported then they get a network. Dish just like to put it in the slot that the old station was. As example Jonesboro, Arkansas was a ABC only market. They got CBS, NBC and FOX from Memphis on 3,5,13 (the legacy numbers). When Jonesboro got the other 3 nets this past year they just replaced the feed but kept the same number (I guess to not confuse people). Directv used legit numbers when they could and then used the "next door" numbering for the subs. So NBC is 7, ABC is 8 (their legit slot), CBS is 38 and FOX is 39. Fox is 39-1 and CBS is 39-2 OTA
 
Cox Communications - Southeastern Virginia

Gloucester, James City County, Williamsburg*
Hampton, Newport News, Poquoson**
Norfolk, Portsmouth, Chesapeake, Virginia Beach***

2 WTVZ-33 (MNT) Norfolk
3 WTKR-3 (CBS) Norfolk
4 WSKY-4 (Ind) Hampton
5 Univision
6 WCVE-23 (PBS) Richmond*
6 blank**
6 WUND-2 (PBS/UNC-TV) Columbia, NC***
7 WGNT-27 (CW) Norfolk
8 CNN
9 Lifetime
10 WAVY-10 (NBC) Portsmouth
11 COX-11 / MASN2 / CSN+
12 ESPN
13 WVEC-13 (ABC) Norfolk

West Point, New Kent County, King and Queen County
2 Comcast SportsNet
3 blank
4 MSNBC
5 Univision
6 WTVR-6 (CBS) Richmond
7 CNN
8 WRIC-8 (ABC) Richmond
9 Lifetime
10 ESPN
11 COX-11 / MASN2 / CSN+
12 WWBT-12 (NBC) Richmond
13 WUPV-65 (CW) Richmond
 
Cox Communications has WVBT-43 (FOX) Portsmouth, VA on 14 for most of southeastern Virginia (Norfolk DMA). WRLH-35 (FOX) Richmond is on 35 for West Point, New Kent, King and Queen County (Richmond DMA).
 
Great Plains Cable TV, Chapman NE
2 KHNE Hastings (PBS)
4 *TBS*
5 KSNB Superior (NBC)
6 *Freeform*
7 KFXL Lincoln (Fox)
8 KLKN Lincoln (ABC)
9 *USA*
10 *ESPN*
11 KGIN Grand Island (CBS)
12 *Discovery Channel*
13 KHGI Kearney (ABC)

Alliance Communications, Rule TX
2 *HBO*
3 *USA Network*
4 KTAB Abilene (CBS)
5 *Disney Channel*
6 KIDZ-LD Abilene (My)
7 KXVA Abilene (Fox)
8 *Freeform*
9 KRBC Abilene (NBC)
10 *WGN America*
11 *TBS*
12 KTXS Abilene (ABC)
13 QVC

Baja Broadband, Fort Stockton TX
2 KMID Abilene (ABC)
3 *Pop*
4 Local Access
5 *UniMas*
6 KPBT Odessa (PBS)
7 KOSA Odessa (CBS)
8 KPEJ Odessa (Fox)
9 KWES Odessa (NBC)
10 KUPB Odessa (UNI)
11 *HLN*
12 KPTB Lubbock (GLC)
13 KWES-DT2 Odessa (CW Plus)

WT Services, Friona TX
2 KACV Amarillo (PBS)
3 KVII-DT2 Amarillo (CW Plus)
4 KAMR Amarillo (NBC)
5 KCIT Amarillo (Fox)
6 Local Origination
7 KVII Amarillo (ABC)
8 God's Learning Channel
9 Univision
10 KFDA Amarillo (CBS)
11 *ESPN Classic*
12 *ESPN*
13 *ESPN2*
By the way, no ESPN-U or ESPNews on this system ;) There is one omission to the overall lineup - no KCPN (My).
 
Buckeye CableSystem in Bedford, MI (Detroit DMA... barely) has three of the Big Four from Detroit in the 50s:
WXYZ (ABC) on 51
WJBK (FOX) on 52
WDIV (NBC) on 54
[WWJ (CBS) isn't seen at all]
 
Buckeye Broadband Toledo OH (Lucas County - Toledo DMA)
2 CNN
3 ESPN
4 USA
5 WTVG-DT2 (CW)
6 WLMB (religious indie)
7 QVC
8 BCSN (local sports)
9 WGTE (PBS)
10 WNWO (NBC)
11 WTOL (CBS)
12 WUPW (FOX)
13 WTVG (ABC)
 
Buckeye Broadband Bedford, MI (Monroe County - Detroit DMA)
2 CNN
3 ESPN
4 USA
5 WTVG-DT2 (CW Toledo)
6 WLMB (religious independent)
7 Bedford TV (local access)
8 BCSN (local sports)
9 WGTE (PBS Toledo)
10 blank
11 WTOL (CBS 11 Toledo)
12 QVC
13 WTVG (ABC 13 Toledo)
[FOX and NBC are 52 and 54 respectively (from Detroit)]
 
unclehonkey said:
When cable was all analog the systems had a lifeline package of 2-13 or 2-23 in bigger markets with a filter on above that to block out the signal.
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I have 2-22. When cable was analog and I was recording with a VCR, Channels 23 and 24 were as clear as the worst of the stations that I had been receiving with rabbit ears.

With TiVo they didn't come in at all. And obviously, they don't with cable all digital.

This probably doesn't count. Channel 22 is WFMY Greensboro, which is CBS, but that station is not in my market. My CBS affiliate is WBTV Charlotte, Channel 3. Though with an antenna, it's pretty obvious WFMY is closer.
 
Diode Cable Co, Diller NE (pop. 260)
2 *HBO*
4 KFXL Lincoln (Fox)
5 *Spike*
6 *WGN America*
7 *TBS*
8 KLKN Lincoln (ABC)
9 *Discovery Channel*
10 KOLN Lincoln (CBS)
11 KPTM Omaha (Fox)
12 *ESPN*
13 *CNN*

No NBC! Anywhere! KXVO/CW is on 19, and KHNE/PBS is on 24.

Post Communications, Stratton NE
2 *TBS*
3 KWGN Denver (CW)
4 *Discovery Channel*
5 *Spike*
6 KWNB Hayes Center (ABC)
7 *HBO*
8 KSNK McCook (NBC)
9 *TNT*
10 KBSL Goodland (CBS)
11 *ESPN*
12 *Freeform*
13 KHGI Kearney (ABC)
No PBS whatsoever.

Alliance Communications Network, Bassfield MS
2 WLOX Biloxi (ABC)
3 WDAM Hattiesburg (NBC)
4 WHLT Hattiesburg (CBS)
5 *ESPN*
6 *CNN*
7 *Freeform*
8 *Discovery Channel*
9 WMAH Biloxi (PBS)
10 *WGN America*
11 *TBS*
12 *FS1*
13 WDBD Jackson (Fox)
 
crainbebo said:
Post Communications, Stratton NE
2 *TBS*
3 KWGN Denver (CW)
4 *Discovery Channel*
5 *Spike*
6 KWNB Hayes Center (ABC)
7 *HBO*
8 KSNK McCook (NBC)
9 *TNT*
10 KBSL Goodland (CBS)
11 *ESPN*
12 *Freeform*
13 KHGI Kearney (ABC)
No PBS whatsoever.
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Where did this lineup come from? Zap2it and Cable Search came up empty.
 
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