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Can Flash Move?

I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to FCC rules and spacing, etc... Here's how it looks to me. 92.1 is cluttered with the station from Dublin. The next station is 92.5 KGBY. Then waaaaaay down the dial at 93.7 is KHWD. 92.5 is 50,000 watts and KHWD is 25,000. Can there not be another mid-powered station like KHWD at 93.1 or 93.3?

Can 92.1 move to one of those frequencies to have a clearer channel and more power? Are there any other spaces on the FM dial in the area that they can move and increase power? Please, educate me. TIA!

-Timmy<P ID="signature">______________
Perfection is overrated...</P>
 
> I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to FCC rules and spacing,
> etc... Here's how it looks to me. 92.1 is cluttered with
> the station from Dublin. The next station is 92.5 KGBY. Then
> waaaaaay down the dial at 93.7 is KHWD. 92.5 is 50,000 watts
> and KHWD is 25,000. Can there not be another mid-powered
> station like KHWD at 93.1 or 93.3?
>
> Can 92.1 move to one of those frequencies to have a clearer
> channel and more power? Are there any other spaces on the FM
> dial in the area that they can move and increase power?
> Please, educate me. TIA!
>
> -Timmy
>
KOSO is on 93.1 in Patterson, CA. near Modesto, CA.
 
Re: Can Flash Move?--It can, but it wouldn't improve things much in Sacto.

Hi, Timmy--

To directly answer your question:

While it may SEEM that there are vacant dial positions, the vacancies are part of an interference protection system--buffers designed to let you receive a station within its protected coverage area and not have have it blown away by other stations on the same channel or on ones on either side.

Essentially, there's no room between 92.5 and 93.7 to put another station in the Sacramento region.

That's due to the need to protect the interference free coverage areas of 92.5, and 93.7, (and other stations.)

92.5 gets co-channel protection on 92.5 out for so-many miles, and first, second and third adjacent channel protection from interference from stations on 91.9, 92.1, 92.3, 92.7 92.9.

There's a 91.9 in Chico, 92.1 Placerville... and other stations that bump into each other's protection zones.

93.7 gets co-channel protection and first, second and third adjacent protection from interference from stations on 93.1, 93.3, 93.5, 93.9, 94.1, and 94.3. You can identify several that are within earshot of Sacramento, that would have some kind of protection from any new stations.

That's the basic situation. Keep reading for more detail and some minutia if you want to.

Here's generally how the FCC allotment scheme works:

There are several "classes" of stations, each designed to serve comparatively larger or smaller geographic areas.

Transmitter sites are located where they'll:
A: Put the legally required signal strength over the entire community of license, and
B: Not interfere with other licensed stations within the other stations' protected coverate areas.

You may find a lot of sites that will do A but not B, B but not A, or neither.

With more stations on the dial, finding one to do both is much harder to do, especially as more are licensed in fringe areas around a major market.

Stations get protection from "co-channel" intereference (stations on the same frequency) and "adjacent channel" interference (stations three channels up and three down from the station you're talking about.)

The FCC uses specific amounts of mileage between transmitters and limits on the ERP (Effective Radiated Power) and antenna height to make it work.

The mileage separation required is greatest for "co-channel" stations, and lessens as you go to first, second and third adjacent stations.

Class C stations are the most powerful, and have the largest protected coverage. Some use as much as 100KW ERP from nearly a thousand feet above average terrain before they have to reduce ERP (power) to stay within their protected area and protect other stations on the same channel and up to three channels either side.

If the stations DIDN'T cut power as its antenna went above the maximum, its coverage area could expand enough to interfere with the protected coverage areas of other stations.

(You can check the actual heights at http://www.fcc.gov. I'm being pretty general here... so guys who can quote the specs, please do so but don't shoot he messenger.)

Class B's are less powerful... often 50KW with maximum antenna height of almost 500 feet above average terrain before power reduction is necessary.

Class A's like 103.9, 92.1 and KBMB are limited to 6KW at 328 feet above average terrain before they have to reduce ERP.

As stations were added over the years, the "incoming" stations had to respect those protected areas, while trying to serve their prospective community of license (COL) with the legally required signal strength.

That acts like a rubber band, forcing the the station to stay physically close to its COL,(which it is SUPPOSED to serve) while the protected coverage areas of other stations act like balloons keeping it away from their markets.

It becomes a big PITA trying to find a geographic transmitter location that will work to cover a bigger market from off to the side, as various "rimshot" stations like 103.9 and 92.1, 105.5 and others try to do.

Moving North, East, South or West, an engineer has to make sure any first location or relocation keeps his COL properly covered and doesn't cause interference to other licensed stations.

That's why 103.9 was moved to Lincoln in an effort to get the stick closer to Sacramento downtown. The Sutter Buttes or South Sutter Co. didn't do what the owners or buyers wanted... and there are limits on how close to Sac the stick can go because of protection for 103.5 (among others.)

I liken this to a chess game, because there are certain moves for pieces that at first look good or possible, but looking again, you find the trap.

92.1 Placerville can move only so far west before it runs up against the second adjacent protected coverage areas of 92.5 in Sacramento and the non-commercial stations on 91.5, 7 and 9 and 92.1 Walnut Creek's protected coverage area.

Because of the mileage involved (actually, the lack of it) protecting KGBY, 92.5, Sacramento is the limiting factor.

92.5 "blocks" any further westward movement for 92.1, and the distance from the stick to many parts of the Sacramento market keeps the signal strength from being ideal.

And that's why you'll not find a whole lot of "improvement" possible for 92.1 when it comes to "serving" Sacramentans instead of Placervillians, for whom the station was licensed in the first place.

For other examples of mileage separation blocking an upgrade, go back into First Broadcasting's history in the area and another set of Class A's:

KNGT, 94.3 Jackson was co-channel to KNCO-FM, 94.3 Grass Valley. Mileage restrictions prevented First from moving the KNGT transmitter to a site more advantageous to reach Sacramento. In order to pull it off... First struck a deal to buy KNCO-FM... but then the sellers thought again and backed out of the deal. (Hurrah!) They took significantly less money to move KNCO-FM one notch down the dial to 94.1, and kept the Grass Valley station programmed from Grass Valley for Nevada County residents.

That deal let First get wheels moving on the transmitter upgrade, resulting in the sale of KNGT for a big profit to Hispanic Broadcasting.

Several sales/trades later, the Jackson station's speaking Spanish again.

Same kind of thing happened with First and 103.9. That shell game worked out better for 103.9 because the COL was moved to Lincoln, and First found a sweet transmitter site with a straight shot into Sacto, where the average terrain was just below the point where it would have had to drop ERP below 6KW.

You mentioned 93.7:

What's now 25KW Class B1 KHWD, 93.7, Roseville was originally a Class A station, at 3KW before the max power at max antenna height was raised to the current 6KW. Back then, it broadcast from a tower on Rosebud Lane off Auburn Blvd. northeast of Madison Ave.

As KRXQ "93 Rock," the owner wanted to jump to a 25KW Class B1 facility. The ability to do that was tied to changes in the facilities used by KFMF, Chico... which affected co-channel and adjacent channel coverage area interference protection for both stations.

If I recall correctly, Fuller-Jeffrey owned KRXQ at that point, and I think it owned KFMF, also, which (would have) made certain aspects of the upgrade easier to achieve, because there was only one owner in the mix... not two.

I hope the first part answered your question... and the balance was educational.

Ted.
 
Re: Can Flash Move?--It can, but it wouldn't improve things much in Sacto.

Ted,

Can you shoot me an email timmywa(at)gmail(dot)com?

Interested in more info...

-Timmy


> Hi, Timmy--
>
> To directly answer your question:
>
> While it may SEEM that there are vacant dial positions, the
> vacancies are part of an interference protection
> system--buffers designed to let you receive a station within
> its protected coverage area and not have have it blown away
> by other stations on the same channel or on ones on either
> side.
>
> Essentially, there's no room between 92.5 and 93.7 to put
> another station in the Sacramento region.
>
> That's due to the need to protect the interference free
> coverage areas of 92.5, and 93.7, (and other stations.)
>
> 92.5 gets co-channel protection on 92.5 out for so-many
> miles, and first, second and third adjacent channel
> protection from interference from stations on 91.9, 92.1,
> 92.3, 92.7 92.9.
>
> There's a 91.9 in Chico, 92.1 Placerville... and other
> stations that bump into each other's protection zones.
>
> 93.7 gets co-channel protection and first, second and third
> adjacent protection from interference from stations on 93.1,
> 93.3, 93.5, 93.9, 94.1, and 94.3. You can identify several
> that are within earshot of Sacramento, that would have some
> kind of protection from any new stations.
>
> That's the basic situation. Keep reading for more detail
> and some minutia if you want to.
>
> Here's generally how the FCC allotment scheme works:
>
> There are several "classes" of stations, each designed to
> serve comparatively larger or smaller geographic areas.
>
> Transmitter sites are located where they'll:
> A: Put the legally required signal strength over the entire
> community of license, and
> B: Not interfere with other licensed stations within the
> other stations' protected coverate areas.
>
> You may find a lot of sites that will do A but not B, B but
> not A, or neither.
>
> With more stations on the dial, finding one to do both is
> much harder to do, especially as more are licensed in fringe
> areas around a major market.
>
> Stations get protection from "co-channel" intereference
> (stations on the same frequency) and "adjacent channel"
> interference (stations three channels up and three down from
> the station you're talking about.)
>
> The FCC uses specific amounts of mileage between
> transmitters and limits on the ERP (Effective Radiated
> Power) and antenna height to make it work.
>
> The mileage separation required is greatest for "co-channel"
> stations, and lessens as you go to first, second and third
> adjacent stations.
>
> Class C stations are the most powerful, and have the largest
> protected coverage. Some use as much as 100KW ERP from
> nearly a thousand feet above average terrain before they
> have to reduce ERP (power) to stay within their protected
> area and protect other stations on the same channel and up
> to three channels either side.
>
> If the stations DIDN'T cut power as its antenna went above
> the maximum, its coverage area could expand enough to
> interfere with the protected coverage areas of other
> stations.
>
> (You can check the actual heights at http://www.fcc.gov.
> I'm being pretty general here... so guys who can quote the
> specs, please do so but don't shoot he messenger.)
>
> Class B's are less powerful... often 50KW with maximum
> antenna height of almost 500 feet above average terrain
> before power reduction is necessary.
>
> Class A's like 103.9, 92.1 and KBMB are limited to 6KW at
> 328 feet above average terrain before they have to reduce
> ERP.
>
> As stations were added over the years, the "incoming"
> stations had to respect those protected areas, while trying
> to serve their prospective community of license (COL) with
> the legally required signal strength.
>
> That acts like a rubber band, forcing the the station to
> stay physically close to its COL,(which it is SUPPOSED to
> serve) while the protected coverage areas of other stations
> act like balloons keeping it away from their markets.
>
> It becomes a big PITA trying to find a geographic
> transmitter location that will work to cover a bigger market
> from off to the side, as various "rimshot" stations like
> 103.9 and 92.1, 105.5 and others try to do.
>
> Moving North, East, South or West, an engineer has to make
> sure any first location or relocation keeps his COL properly
> covered and doesn't cause interference to other licensed
> stations.
>
> That's why 103.9 was moved to Lincoln in an effort to get
> the stick closer to Sacramento downtown. The Sutter Buttes
> or South Sutter Co. didn't do what the owners or buyers
> wanted... and there are limits on how close to Sac the stick
> can go because of protection for 103.5 (among others.)
>
> I liken this to a chess game, because there are certain
> moves for pieces that at first look good or possible, but
> looking again, you find the trap.
>
> 92.1 Placerville can move only so far west before it runs up
> against the second adjacent protected coverage areas of 92.5
> in Sacramento and the non-commercial stations on 91.5, 7 and
> 9 and 92.1 Walnut Creek's protected coverage area.
>
> Because of the mileage involved (actually, the lack of it)
> protecting KGBY, 92.5, Sacramento is the limiting factor.
>
> 92.5 "blocks" any further westward movement for 92.1, and
> the distance from the stick to many parts of the Sacramento
> market keeps the signal strength from being ideal.
>
> And that's why you'll not find a whole lot of "improvement"
> possible for 92.1 when it comes to "serving" Sacramentans
> instead of Placervillians, for whom the station was licensed
> in the first place.
>
> For other examples of mileage separation blocking an
> upgrade, go back into First Broadcasting's history in the
> area and another set of Class A's:
>
> KNGT, 94.3 Jackson was co-channel to KNCO-FM, 94.3 Grass
> Valley. Mileage restrictions prevented First from moving
> the KNGT transmitter to a site more advantageous to reach
> Sacramento. In order to pull it off... First struck a deal
> to buy KNCO-FM... but then the sellers thought again and
> backed out of the deal. (Hurrah!) They took significantly
> less money to move KNCO-FM one notch down the dial to 94.1,
> and kept the Grass Valley station programmed from Grass
> Valley for Nevada County residents.
>
> That deal let First get wheels moving on the transmitter
> upgrade, resulting in the sale of KNGT for a big profit to
> Hispanic Broadcasting.
>
> Several sales/trades later, the Jackson station's speaking
> Spanish again.
>
> Same kind of thing happened with First and 103.9. That shell
> game worked out better for 103.9 because the COL was moved
> to Lincoln, and First found a sweet transmitter site with a
> straight shot into Sacto, where the average terrain was just
> below the point where it would have had to drop ERP below
> 6KW.
>
> You mentioned 93.7:
>
> What's now 25KW Class B1 KHWD, 93.7, Roseville was
> originally a Class A station, at 3KW before the max power at
> max antenna height was raised to the current 6KW. Back then,
> it broadcast from a tower on Rosebud Lane off Auburn Blvd.
> northeast of Madison Ave.
>
> As KRXQ "93 Rock," the owner wanted to jump to a 25KW Class
> B1 facility. The ability to do that was tied to changes in
> the facilities used by KFMF, Chico... which affected
> co-channel and adjacent channel coverage area interference
> protection for both stations.
>
> If I recall correctly, Fuller-Jeffrey owned KRXQ at that
> point, and I think it owned KFMF, also, which (would have)
> made certain aspects of the upgrade easier to achieve,
> because there was only one owner in the mix... not two.
>
> I hope the first part answered your question... and the
> balance was educational.
>
> Ted.
>
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