Can you dispute this Soulcrusher

[RunWithScissors]

I know you are now a fan of G-Rock, BUT.. in the 6PM hour last night RFF played selections from Marilyn Manson, Adam Ant, Smiths, Cult, Ministry, White Town, utilizing a stronger, harder playlist, without the annoying chatter, could it be the new kid on the block shaking things up. I don't think G-Rock or any other so-called Alternative station can match the playlist. It seems when I put on G-Rock, they are either chattering, commercial-ing or playing the same worn out safe Pop Alternative. I just think RFF is the best Alternative to come out of Philly period, and with MMR and YSP concentrating on the more Hard Rock/Metal cuts, RFF can only get better on the Alternative side, do you agree???.

 

[thebaron]

We get it RWS...You are in awe of the "new" 104.5 RFF....Really we understand... I like RFF, I think it good music....I also like lots of other stations and really believe other might too... Its great you found something that make you happy...Good For you...Please go take your meds, turn up the radio and shut up...Please... This is a radio station...It's not life, for goodness sakes...It's music with commercials in between...

I often wonder as I read your post, do you work for 104.5? If you do boy you are one hell of a company guy.

 

[carnyfeet]

Y-ROCK ON XPN

The only TRUE alternative rock station in Philadelphia. What you're listening to is a mish-mash of nu-metal and '90s alt-rock throwaway acts.

Listen in when I'm on the air this Saturday morning (9-2PM) and I'll dedicate the Nooner to you, RWS. IM me at aim:yrockonxpn and I'll play whatever you want with NO commercials and that will be the last time you ever talk about WRFF 104.5.

 

[carnyfeet]

Y-ROCK ON XPN

The only TRUE alternative rock station in Philadelphia. What you're listening to is a mish-mash of nu-metal and '90s alt-rock throwaway acts.

Listen in when I'm on the air this Saturday morning (9-2PM) and I'll dedicate the Nooner to you, RWS. IM me at aim:yrockonxpn and I'll play whatever you want with NO commercials and that will be the last time you ever talk about WRFF 104.5.

Once again, my offer has been revoked here. The comments that WERE in this thread were ignorant and hateful.

 

[SoulCrusher]

Today I was driving back from New York. I was about to sample WRFF, when I was immediately greeted with Hoobastank's "The Reason" and quickly changed the station.

If it's true that they are playing all those acts, good. I'll definitely have to give them another listen. I had a feeling they might turn into something good once they moved beyond the feeling out process. G Rock has definitely improved as of late, thanks in no small part to their new features (9 PM Requestival, Radio Kaos, The Punkyard, etc.), but there are still some ways in which they can improve (playing less Linkin Park, for one).

 

[StemCell]

Y-ROCK ON XPN

The only TRUE alternative rock station in Philadelphia. What you're listening to is a mish-mash of nu-metal and '90s alt-rock throwaway acts.

Listen in when I'm on the air this Saturday morning (9-2PM) and I'll dedicate the Nooner to you, RWS. IM me at aim:yrockonxpn and I'll play whatever you want with NO commercials and that will be the last time you ever talk about WRFF 104.5.

Once again, my offer has been revoked here. The comments that WERE in this thread were ignorant and hateful.

I seldom respond to posts, I just read them and weep. I feel obligated to respond to this one, reading many of your attacks toward a certain individual. For the record, from my observation of the previous posts, RWS did indeed give you a list of songs for your show, but you responded in a negative manner, to the point of, "I won't play your list after what you said". I did, or could not make any sense out of your comment, except, you are the one revoking his request because you could not honor it. I hope RWS can elaborate on this.

 

[carnyfeet]

I seldom respond to posts, I just read them and weep. I feel obligated to respond to this one, reading many of your attacks toward a certain individual. For the record, from my observation of the previous posts, RWS did indeed give you a list of songs for your show, but you responded in a negative manner, to the point of, "I won't play your list after what you said". I did, or could not make any sense out of your comment, except, you are the one revoking his request because you could not honor it. I hope RWS can elaborate on this.

I can explain it. I was certainly willing and able to honor his requests, as he selected a great list of songs that would've fit in quite well and made a decent hour of music on my show.

However, what you don't see in this thread are the xenophobic, hateful comments he made in response to an off-topic post here, as well as the rest of the board's reactions to those comments. Unfortunately, the policy of this message board is to edit and delete posts that violate the rules and regs - leaving this thread to be a barely comprehensible piece of the whole conversation that was here at one point. If you'd seen the whole thing, you would know that RunWithScissors made another in a long string of ignorant, poisonous comments, and the rest of the board (myself included) expressed outrage, and RWS was evidently banned from posting.

Now, I made a pretty generous offer to let RWS request an entire hour's worth of music, and I feel it was my right to revoke that after seeing the guy's true colors. I won't bend over backwards to accommodate or entertain anyone like that, and I shouldn't have to either.

 

[toiletboy]

Which is why (in my humble opinion) I thought this thread should be locked.

 

[raydofan]

Can you dispute this carneyfeet

While we're discussing playlists and opposing views on 'alternative rock' (whatever that is and who cares), I am curious why you would tag your organization with 'underdog'. I know that XPN takes in quite a bit of funding from pledge drives and are able to sustain this format. I am not sure where the money is divided from WCL and the NPR syndication arm (NPR also has plenty of cash from the Kroc widow IIRC). I think your listener base is pretty wealthy, and I've always sustained the idea that XPN should just get a commercial license, and let the college band signal revert back to the students. As scary a thought that is.

No, not underdog, but a differently spotted dog.

 

[eyg2181]

wait a minute...no ,more RWS???

 

[jimsocks]

rff is geared towards women who dont wash their feet and men who pee sitting down. enjoy the "alternative". once clear channel is done with their "smash and grab" format. they will be right on to another. the playlist is a who's who of who cares.

 

[carnyfeet]

While we're discussing playlists and opposing views on 'alternative rock' (whatever that is and who cares), I am curious why you would tag your organization with 'underdog'. I know that XPN takes in quite a bit of funding from pledge drives and are able to sustain this format. I am not sure where the money is divided from WCL and the NPR syndication arm (NPR also has plenty of cash from the Kroc widow IIRC). I think your listener base is pretty wealthy, and I've always sustained the idea that XPN should just get a commercial license, and let the college band signal revert back to the students. As scary a thought that is.

No, not underdog, but a differently spotted dog.

Not XPN, but more specifically Y-Rock on XPN.

I was thrilled to see Y-100 continue on as Y100Rocks.com and I was happy to see them come on board with XPN to become Y-Rock on XPN. I don't believe the guys who saw the transition to where it is now get enough credit, and I think it's frequently overlooked in the discussion of alternative / indie rock stations when we talk about WRFF, WYSP, and WMMR.

I'm certainly grateful that XPN has allowed Y-Rock to thrive, but I think most people would agree that the odds were not with Y-100FM/Y100Rocks.com/Y-Rock on XPN to have made it to where it is today.

I'm on the air until 2PM today for anyone that would care to listen and request some songs. I try to be as accommodating as possible without straying into XPN's format.

www.yrockonxpn.org
AIM: yrockonxpn
email: [email protected]

P.S. - Y-Rock is shooting for a slightly different demo than does XPN, for what it's worth. I don't think you could say the same things apply to XPN's demo as do Y-Rock's. But, for the purposes of this discussion, I prefer to talk about Y-Rock as a nearly autonomous program, because that's the way we try to run it around here.

 

[content]

rff is ... the playlist is a who's who of who cares.

Yeah, I agree. Who cares about some of their bands like Nirvana, Radiohead, The Ramones, Pearl Jam, The Clash, Green Day, U2, Social Distortion, Dave Matthews.
I, for one, am also tired of hearing all of these new nameless, faceless bands like Silversun Pickups, Snow Patrol, Paramore, Sick Pups and Band of Horses.
And another thing, nobody cares about the local bands they put on the radio every Friday. Who gives a rat's a$$ about Midnight Bottle Club and Peace Creeps and Crashmotive. Once they get record deals, maybe I'll care.

Bring on a real alternative with lots of Nickelback, Creed, Seether and Hinder.

 

[raydofan]

I, for one, am also tired of hearing all of these new nameless, faceless bands like Silversun Pickups, Snow Patrol, Paramore, Sick Pups and Band of Horses.
And another thing, nobody cares about the local bands they put on the radio every Friday. Who gives a rat's a$$ about Midnight Bottle Club and Peace Creeps and Crashmotive. Once they get record deals, maybe I'll care.

Bring on a real alternative with lots of Nickelback, Creed, Seether and Hinder.

While I'll agree that there is a lot of new music I could care less about (that comes with age, I 'spose), but everyone was 'a face in the crowd' at one point or another (some people are never even known unless they are 'borrowed' from to such a degree they file a civil suit-but I digress).

I think it's a bit head-in-the sand to pursue a record deal as bands did even a few years ago. Record companies are in the crapper with radio, holding hands, wondering what the future holds vis a vis technology. So waiting on a band to pass muster of some record company dink is at the very least naive, and a rather sad testament about how supine the audience has become ('put music in here. mmmm, jockmetal').

The bands you name at the bottom are not even innovative enough (can we say derivative 5 times removed from Zeppelin?) to be considered anything but vinegar-smelling jock rock, formulated to fit in the ears of the likes of you, and have perhaps appropriately been left behind. Newer music needs a focus, as well as some of Philly's finest, which are worth finding in a sea of crapola.

Korn was at least organic, ditto RATM. What they spawned was done with rGBH.

 

[raydofan]

Not XPN, but more specifically Y-Rock on XPN.
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P.S. - Y-Rock is shooting for a slightly different demo than does XPN, for what it's worth. I don't think you could say the same things apply to XPN's demo as do Y-Rock's. But, for the purposes of this discussion, I prefer to talk about Y-Rock as a nearly autonomous program, because that's the way we try to run it around here.

I guess it will be as autonomous as it can be, to the limit that the other pledgers find it tasteful. You better hope there is an index at which the 'two' audiences mix. But again, I stress: XPN's operators actually could have preempted RFF and YSP with the return of YRock to the commercial FM band with an LMA, leaving the current demos (and cash flow) intact. Not sure where that would've occurred, but it would have cleaned up with sales towards the niche audience.

I suspect that the Y-rock format will be sustainable as long as the pledges flow in its direction. The audience is effectively split by other market entities.

 

[SoulCrusher]

Bring on a real alternative with lots of Nickelback, Creed, Seether and Hinder.

That's an oxymoron if ever there was one. Those bands are the epitome of brain-dead white-bread corporate-pandering garbage, and as it is WRFF already plays enough bands that fall into that category. They need to be more aggressive with the new music and dig deeper into the heritage of the format. What Smiths songs have they played? I've only heard "How Soon Is Now?". You can hear that one on Ben from time to time. I would like to see them play other titles, and also more '80s and '90s acts that you can't hear on the other stations. There's still too much overlap with the rock stations as well as the Adult Hits stations.

You want a station that plays Neanderthal soccer mom rubbish like Nickelback, Creed and Hinder? Go turn on WMMR, WYSP, Ben, or X amount of other stations in Philly - those stations have your name written all over them. Radio 104.5 is at least doing something a little different, and while there is a lot of room for improvement, it's good that they're not emphasizing arena rock junk in their mix.

I hope that was sarcasm, but I know that these bands seriously have lots of fans. God help them all.

 

[eyg2181]

Bring on a real alternative with lots of Nickelback, Creed, Seether and Hinder.

nickleback sucks (except figured you out, side of a bullet and animale [the ones the top-40 channels wont touch]) get the pop shit back on the top-40 channels

creed is ok with a few tunes, (Alter Bridge is WAY better, especially Rise Today)

Seether ROCKS (one of my favorite bands)

hinder BLOWS get that shit back on ben, q, pst, b101 and stw

 

[MarcR]

nickleback sucks (except figured you out, side of a bullet and animale [the ones the top-40 channels wont touch]) get the pop ------ back on the top-40 channels

[/quote]

There are no exceptions for Nickelback! They are quite possibly the most abominable band *Ever* in the close to six decade history of Rock and Roll music!! If somebody finds any of their songs even somewhat listenable, I would prescribe at least 6 electro-shock treatments to cure them (temporarily) of their bad taste in music! ;D

 

[mimo]

Because Nickleback was played on every other station, the Alternative rocker in Ottawa, Canada banned Nickleback, theory of a dead man and default from the station (bands listeners refered to as theory of a nicklefault) No one complained and the dj's were relieved to not have to suffer through it. They felt the airtime those bands would eat up would be better served if it was given to other bands.

 

[carnyfeet]

I always send this link to folks I see trying to defend Nickelback:

http://www.thewebshite.net/nickelback.htm