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"Canadians Preferred" -- Very hard to even get interviewed for a job in Canada!

"Canadians Preferred" -- Very hard to even get interviewed for a job in Canada!

"Canadians Preferred"GOOD MORNING:I hope that the author of this post reads my reply, and that it may serve as a warning to Americans, especially in journalism, broadcasting and academia as well....My spouse/partner is a seasoned expert in journalism and broadcasting. He has also taught courses in broadcasting and journalism at universities. He's held some pretty nice positions over the years.We also happen to be pretty liberal gay people. [Of course prospective employers don't know that he's gay or his views]After becoming disillusioned about the direction of politics and social trends in the USA ... and several other issues, we decided to look into moving to Canada. I hadn't yet finished my degree, and we had some money saved up, but certainly aren't millionaires. My partner was in his mid 50s at the time. Because of his age, even though he has a Masters degree, he fell short by a few points in the "skilled worker program" that is the main way most people immigrate to Canada if they don't have family connections [i.e. Canadian spouse or parent, etc] to sponsor them.Our immigration lawyer suggested I finish university, and that this would boost our points but at the same time, at least here in British Columbia [Canada west coast] my partner would be allowed to hold a job and have an "open work permit" for the duration of my studies.IN 18 MONTHS HE HAS NOT BEEN INTERVIEWED ONCE, DESPITE HAVING A STELLAR RESUME AND A VERY GOOD SHEET OF REFERENCES!Employers just will not consider him. They won't even interview him out here. He's also applied for a few positions near Toronto and Ottawa Ontario area.....no response. He's even tried to find casual work, with no response. Temp agencies for any clerical positions in any field, no response.WE FEEL THAT AS NON CANADIANS, WE ARE VIRTUALLY BLACKLISTED FROM FINDING EMPLOYMENT. Unless you are in a field that has some dire shortage of employees, forget it. Even then, be careful. After all, if an employer has a pile of resumes, and they sort through them, they think "why should I interview that American, when I have this stack of resumes from perfectly qualified Canadians?"We had done quite a bit of research before coming out here and we had visited several times. There were many superficially friendly people here. No one warned us how difficult it would be for him to get a job. [After all, who would? Unless you make a bunch of friends, you are mostly dealing with realtors, insurance agents, lawyers etc and they all want your commission]HOWEVER, once we got here, the reality of the situation began to set in after 7 or 8 months. We have now been here 18 +/- months and will probably eventually return to the USA.Most people who come out here and wind up in this situation return very disillusioned and quite frankly, bankrupt. There is a sentiment, which seems particularly strong in BC, but we suspect is in all of Canada, that you don't hire an American [or Non-Canadian] for a professional position, if you can absolutely do anything to hire a Canadian.Newspaper ads for jobs many times say "Canadians Preferred". Have you ever seen that in a job ad in the USA? We haven't.This means that there are some people who feel so strong about this, that they'll even re-advertise a position several times and ignore the qualified newcomer....even though this person should theorietically be considered. It is true, that before hiring someone without a work permit [temporary] or permanent residency, that they have to show they tried to find a Canadian. However, the employers usually take it a step further, in that they even avoid permanent residents and those with valid work permits issued by the government of Canada.Be very very careful. Even immigration lawyers avoid telling the truth about this, because they of course will collect fees for consultations and filing paper work for work permits and / or permanent residency applications.We haven't even gotten that far. If in 18 months, he hasn't be interviewed once, after applying for more than 50 positions, why bother? We'll just be giving Canada another couple of thousand dollars for a worthless piece of paper!Further on the social and political aspect, we have found just as much, if not more homophobia out here than back home. It's just more subtle, i.e. most Canadians won't "wear it on their sleeve" [i.e. go away you f-in ____] but they will be superficially friendly but not treat you the same way they would a fellow Canadian.We have been greeted with much suspicion and made to know that we're not welcome in many, many ways. I actually wound up switching schools because it was made clear to me that I didn't fit [email protected]
 
Re: "Canadians Preferred" -- Very hard to even get interviewed for a job in Canada!

What about if my Father was born in Canada, but I wasn't, I have a very Canadian last name, maybe that would help, eh?
 
Re: "Canadians Preferred" -- Very hard to even get interviewed for a job in Canada!

DJKraze said:
What about if my Father was born in Canada, but I wasn't, I have a very Canadian last name, maybe that would help, eh?
For a country that claims to pride itself in "multiculturalism" one wonders. How is a last name "very Canadian anyway"?I'm not an immigration expert - but again, if one has the correct family connections [i.e. a Canadian citizen to sponsor them] or they go through the skilled worker program, which requires a fair level of post secondary education and whatnot, or one has hundreds of thousands to invest in a business, they can immigrate.Also, if your spouse is a student in Canada, many times you qualify for an "open work permit". [Additionally, if you have studied here, sometimes you qualify for a different type of work permit that allows you to hold a position for six months or a year after graduating. But how likely is that?] This would allow you to work for the time period your spouse is studying. Then if you have a job, you can apply to immigrate. Of course this isn't necessary if you already have enough points under the skilled worker program.There are many ways one can find themselves in Canada with the legal ability to work, or that one can qualify to immigrate and be a "permanent resident". But what's the point, if one can't find the right job and contribute their talents to Canada?My partner has had an open work permit for the better part of two years..... never hired. He even tried casual work, like Staples office supply, and even there, even on the job application it asks for "previous Canadian address". One needs to realize that Canadian employers and Canadian people are obsessed with the idea that people are trying to take their jobs away. We've found several articles in the papers in recent months about people who have immigrated and finally left and went home years later because they just couldn't get a Canadian employer to hire them for a position that uses their educational background.We've been here 18 months and spent tens of thousands of dollar in savings to live....which we expected for the first 6 months or so.... but again, no interviews, no jobs in a year and a half. At the same time, I had a miserable experience after only taking two semesters at a local university-college. Again, the problem is actually getting interviews. I think Canada really pretends to welcome people more than the average Canadian employer is willing to hire them. My impression is that the political establishment has designed a system of immigration, but then hasn't done any of the work to get employers in various industries to accept immigrants with talent.The tragic fact is that when people come here, they think it will be a fair playing field.... i.e. they are qualified to hold a job in Canada, they have a good resume, so like in the USA, they think this will mean interviews. However, the reality isn't so transparent.Now there may be certain fields where it is easier....but I don't believe it's that much easier. Alberta is rich in oil and that province is in an economic boom. However, we saw an article that talked about a man from Pakistan who was an expert in something to do with oil. He was there a long time and never got interviewed or hired. Of course in that situation I'm sure there was a fair degree of visible minority discrimination.Also, age discrimination may actually be MORE of a factor in Canada, than the USA.D
 
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I sympathize with your situation and similar stories about foreigners trying to find employment is well documented - but I don't think you should brand most Canadians as homophobes. It's simply not true. As in the US, it depends on what area you live in, but in general, Canadians are more tolerant of gays. I do agree though that Anti-Americanism is starting to get out of hand and it's got to stop. The Canadian economy is extremely dependent on the US and damaging that relationship isn't doing Canada any favors.Hang in there and I do hope your situation improves soon!
 
Re: "Canadians Preferred" -- Very hard to even get interviewed for a job in Canada!

What I'm saying is that since I have a very common Canadian last name, and if I were to get citizenship in Canada, would I still have difficultly finding work? Wouldn't most places would see the last name and just assume lifelong citizenship with a history of working in the states?
 
Re: "Canadians Preferred" -- Very hard to even get interviewed for a job in Canada!

DJKraze said:
What I'm saying is that since I have a very common Canadian last name, and if I were to get citizenship in Canada, would I still have difficultly finding work? Wouldn't most places would see the last name and just assume lifelong citizenship with a history of working in the states?
That's a very good question. But my understanding is that your parent would have to be resident in Canada and then sponsor you. Again, I'm not an expert. But either way, in articles I've read, many newcomers say that "lack of Canadian work experience" is often cited by employers that won't hire them.I think a good way to test things is to send out a few hundreds resumes to positions all over Canada and see how many replies you actually get....even from where you are now in the USA.
 
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blackops said:
I sympathize with your situation and similar stories about foreigners trying to find employment is well documented - but I don't think you should brand most Canadians as homophobes. It's simply not true. As in the US, it depends on what area you live in, but in general, Canadians are more tolerant of gays. I do agree though that Anti-Americanism is starting to get out of hand and it's got to stop. The Canadian economy is extremely dependent on the US and damaging that relationship isn't doing Canada any favors.Hang in there and I do hope your situation improves soon!
I certainly did not intend to brand all or most Canadians as homophobes. I'm sure there are plenty more in the USA. If that's the way it came across, I'm sorry. That's not what I meant.However, I have noticed that there are almost no NON -city areas where gays feel comfortable in these parts [BC]I think Canada's liberal reputation is part myth, part true, but any liberalism is really from the major cities such as Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal.~D
 
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The liberal/multiculturalism thing is a double-edged sword. As far as politics are concerned, an overwhelming majority of recent immigrants vote for the liberal party. Yet, socially, most of these immigrants come from Asian and Muslim countries where homosexuality is forbidden or extremely frowned upon. When they come to Canada, their social "values" do not disappear. If you look closely at those liberal party MP's in heavily populated immigrant areas who did not/do not support gay marriage, chances are that it's not their own personal beliefs that are guiding their decision, but their fear of how their constituents will vote in a future election.
 
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But part of the reason for being so "multicultural" is because Canada believes in giving people a home away from what would otherwise be a very life threatning situation.There's nothing wrong with Americans coming here to work, but right now, I think it'd be much easier to gain the Cdn status if you're life is threatend somehow back home.Many immigrants are in Canada because their home land is/was at war.The easiest way to get into Canada right now, is to justify that your life is in danger back home in the country you originated from.Note:This ofcorse does not in any way intend to suggest that Canada stores terrorists.
 
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I think we're getting off-topic here though, judging by some of the recent replies above.Bottom line is that Canada officially welcomes immigrants, most of them are people [or family members of those who] pass through the "skilled worker" program, which has a "pass mark" and you qualify with "points" based on education, work history, and age and language abilities. When one passes through this program and comes to Canada, they are supposedly on the same ground as any other permanent resident OR citizen as far as employment goes. So, they think that if they apply for a job that they are qualified for, they'll have a fair chance. Usually though, this IS NOT the case. Employers routinely ignore applications and resumes from permanent residents too!Also, Canada has many situations in which a person qualifies for a work permit. These people are also supposed to be considered for positions, but again....Most employers are apparently looking at resumes and saying "hmm, no previous CANADIAN work experience" and throwing out their resumes.Meanwhile the immigration lawyers are very quick to tell people who are just a few points short "why not get another degree here in Canada, and your spouse can have an open work permit and once he/she gets a job, you'll have enough points to apply to immigrate" and people uproot their lives sometimes, like us. Lawyers sell it as a path to immigration.My partner gave up at position earning around 60,000US and we've been living out here for a year and a half without income! It's as if he is BLACKLISTED from getting employment in Canada, despite having the permit. As Americans, while we love our country, we certainly are alarmed at the lack of civil liberties and the anti-gay rhetoric, amonst other things, Canada was a very appealing alternative, a potential second home. Canada has marketed itself as being somehow more "liberal" and "progressive" than the USA. More gay friendly, etc etc etc.Unfortunately, reality sets in when employers don't call you for an interview after applying for over 50 positions that are advertised and also approaching hundreds of others unsolicited.....and then even temp agencies for casual office work won't talk to you.....I'm sure other people wind up either finding low paying manual labor jobs most of the time, or they wind up going back where they came from, BROKE.We saw an article sometime in the past year that told the stories about 900 immigrants who returned to China, because they just couldn't get work for years upon years.Also, it is notable that we are hard pressed to find many examples of Americans working in broadcasting up here. There are a few who immigrated in the 1970s, but that's about all we've found.So, the point is: If you are looking for a job in broadcasting and looking to relocate to Canada..... you'd better have a lot of money to support yourself for the rest of your life if you can't find a job here.And don't believe anything that any immigration lawyer has to say, unless you double and triple check it. Our immigration lawyer doesn't want to talk to us now that we are asking him if he knows of anyone, any employment recruiter or anything that can help my partner get a job here. He says "I'm not a social worker" When we talked to him [several hundred dollars of consultation] before coming out here for my studies, he told us that my partner had a "stellar" [I think the word was] resume and "should find work right away" and that as soon as he does, we could apply to immigrate. 18 MONTHS AND STILL WAITING FOR THE PHONE TO RING!!!!
 
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