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Car radio in-glass antennas

Here's my two cents (or more) on this subject which has always been near and dear to my heart:

My grandfather bought a new 1970 Buick Electra 225 back in the day. I was only 6 years old, but already into radios and station DX'ing. I believe this was the first year GM used the windshield antennas. He had the standard Sonomatic AM pushbutton radio. It was HORRIBLE! The combination of ignition noise and alternator whine from that big 455 V8 (with heavy duty alternator) rendered the radio nearly worthless. They lived right in Minneapolis, and you could hear noise underneath the local stations. On the highway, forget it. Anything more than about 25 miles away was covered up by the noise. Fortunately, my parents' cars were Fords (which kept mast antennas throughout the 1970 and 80s) and an older model Cadillac with power mast antenna.

My next experience was with my second car: a 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme which I bought after I graduated high school in 1982. The stock radio had been replaced with a Pioneer Supertuner AM/FM/Cassette. The FM was "okay", the AM was marginal. Later, I had a 1979 Cutlass Supreme with the stock Delco AM/FM/Cassette unit. Both AM and FM were good, but not as good as my parents' 1978 Ninety-Eight with stock Delco AM/FM/Cassette and power mast antenna. I did notice on both of my Cutlasses (Cutli?) that the amount of engine and alternator noise was MUCH less vs Grandpa's Electra. I'm guessing GM figured out how to do noise supression during this time interval. I also remember replacing the plugs and being told to use "resistor" plugs (which I did) because they generated less radio interference. Still, these antennas were somewhat directional. Especially on FM. If I rotated the car 90 degrees, I could hear weak stations that didn't exist in the previous position and would lose some that I could hear before.

Fast-forward to 2001: I was getting ready to purchase a new vehicle. Had it narrowed down to a Pontiac Grand Am vs the Oldsmobile Alero. Same car, different nameplates and styling. I decided on the Grand Am, in part because it uses a rear fixed mast antenna vs the Alero's rear windshield antenna. Before purchasing, I drove both as rental cars on multiple occasions. The Grand Am's radio was slightly more sensitive than the Alero's. However, I also noticed that using multiple wires in the rear windshield was MUCH improved over the 70s design of two wires in the front windshield. Because of the increased distance to the engine, the ignition and alternator noise was GONE. No trace of noise whatsoever in the Aleros. By the way, the Grand Am's Delco AM/FM/Cassette/CD unit with it's fixed mast antenna was the most sensitive car radio I had come across since the one that was in my first car. That was a 1972 Mercury Comet (Ford Maverick clone) with the stock AM radio. This was the famous Philco unit (dial was marked 5 7 9 11 13 15) and the LONG 3-section front mast antenna that could be pulled up to a length of about 5 feet! To this day, NO radio I've ever used has been able to beat that Philco for long-distance reception!
 
I see a lot of cars with short ro0f mounted antennas. These antennas are less than a fo0t long. I can't imagine these are any go0d at all. ¿Does anyone have any experience with those? My parents have one on their car. My first thought was "how could a radio even work half decently with such a small antenna?". They lo0k like they have some wiring spiralling upwards on them and then covered with a rubber-like substance. I haven't been able to try out their radio at all to see how it works or how it is with engine noise. I've actually decided against owning or driving chevys because of the horrible engine noise.
 
My car antenna results:

1996 Chevrolet Suburban: OK on FM, very good AM. Not as good as FM would be on my Sangean ATS-909.
1988 Chevrolet Celebrity: Horrible FM, So-so AM.
The one which sucked the most was the:
1988 Buick Regal: Horrible AM and FM. With FM, I could barely hear semi-local KXOT on 91.7. With AM, nothing distant comes in like the Grundig, only the strong locals (710, 630, 1000, 1090, 770), maybe 850 or 1360, but that's it.

-crainbebo
 
I would NEVER buy a vehicle with one of those in glass antennas. Know too many people who aren't satisfied with them. Too many hours in the car and why get fustrated? My previous car, a Pontiac Vibe, had one of those 18" whip antennas on the rear roof and got excellent AM reception with no engine noise, even on the lower freq's. FM is good (ave).
I bought a 2005 Crown Vic at the height of the gas crisis last summer for a song. Great car-looks like an unmarked cruiser gets 25-27 mpg on long trips. Traditional antenna. The AM part of the radio worked well.. for about 3 months, now a LOT of engine noise. But for some reason the noise level was a lot lower out in OH-IN-IL than New England. But FM is VG-nowhere as good as one of those supertuners but it'll suffice nicely.
 
Unfortunately, it's getting to where nearly ALL vehicles have the glass antennas. Even SUV's are in on the deal now. My parents bought a new Tahoe last year. I immediately noticed the missing front mast antenna and went looking for it. It's now embedded in the rear SIDE window on the passenger side. Neither AM nor FM reception is as good as their previous vehicle: A Chevy Suburban with the standard Delco unit and front mast antenna.

BTW, the front end of the Tahoe is identical to the Chevy Avalanche. Since the Avalanche does not have far rear side window, it uses the standard mast antenna. On my parents' Tahoe, I noticed there is a cutout indentation for a mast antenna in the plastic shroud which goes between the hood and the front windshield. So, the Avalanche and the Tahoe use interchangeable shrouds. I'm assuming therefore that there would be a mounting hole in the metal underneath for a mast antenna and that it could be retrofitted with a standard GM mast off of a salvage vehicle. Has anyone tried this?
 
gr8oldies said:
The one advantage is the neighborhood punk kids can't tear off the antenna.

Makes for an easier time at the car wash too! ;D

I can only speak from my one man's experience, but before Mrs. Cyberdad bought the ML350, my 1999 GM rear window antenna always beat her Grand Cherokee mast on both AM and FM. That said, I will say the old GM models I owned....70s and early 80s vintage....had window antennas that were pure garbage. On the other hand, I had a '78 Ford Granada with a big ol' mast that probably could've pulled in Australia in the daytime if I had pushed it.
 
gr8oldies said:
The one advantage is the neighborhood punk kids can't tear off the antenna.

I have a variety of deterrants for that type of thing. My favorite was to coat the antenna with maple syrup, and let the fire ants be my little guardians. The blow off as I drive, but always come back. Works well for Christmas decorations, too. Fire ants love the syrup, and the warmth in winter. I only had one thing swiped, they never came back to take something else!
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
gr8oldies said:
The one advantage is the neighborhood punk kids can't tear off the antenna.

I have a variety of deterrants for that type of thing. My favorite was to coat the antenna with maple syrup, and let the fire ants be my little guardians. The blow off as I drive, but always come back. Works well for Christmas decorations, too. Fire ants love the syrup, and the warmth in winter. I only had one thing swiped, they never came back to take something else!

Also you can get a motorized antenna that disappears when you park.
 
I agree! I would rather have a mast antenna than one built into the rear window defroster. I think the main reason for that change was going thru the car wash it would tear it off. But, I agree that masts are better because they are omni-directional. Windshield antennas only work great in the direction you are facing toward a particular radio station transmitter.
 
DanielBoone said:
I agree! I would rather have a mast antenna than one built into the rear window defroster. I think the main reason for that change was going thru the car wash it would tear it off. But, I agree that masts are better because they are omni-directional. Windshield antennas only work great in the direction you are facing toward a particular radio station transmitter.

You're right--you get very little off the sides on AM with window antennas.
 
cyberdad said:
gr8oldies said:
The one advantage is the neighborhood punk kids can't tear off the antenna.

Makes for an easier time at the car wash too! ;D

I can only speak from my one man's experience, but before Mrs. Cyberdad bought the ML350, my 1999 GM rear window antenna always beat her Grand Cherokee mast on both AM and FM. That said, I will say the old GM models I owned....70s and early 80s vintage....had window antennas that were pure garbage. On the other hand, I had a '78 Ford Granada with a big ol' mast that probably could've pulled in Australia in the daytime if I had pushed it.


Wasn't 1972 the last model year for the long (3 section) Ford antennas? I seem to remember them switching to a "fixed length" 31" whip for 1973. Reason was because FM was becoming popular and this was the resonant length (1/4 wavelength) for the middle of the FM band.
 
MN Maniac said:
Wasn't 1972 the last model year for the long (3 section) Ford antennas? I seem to remember them switching to a "fixed length" 31" whip for 1973. Reason was because FM was becoming popular and this was the resonant length (1/4 wavelength) for the middle of the FM band.

Only problem - the 31 inch may have been the right length in theory, but I soon figured out that I got much better reception with the longer three section whips. Why? I don't know unless it is the old "more metal in the air" principle. I notice that most car whip antennas now wind a wire around a non conductive mast to get more electrical length out of it. Then they coat the whole thing with black insulation.
 
I had a 1978 Malibu years ago. Almost no AM reception with the antenna in the front windshield.

My 1984 Buick did pretty well with an outdoor antenna, but not as well as some other cars I've been in.

My 1997 Mercury has wires across the back window and, while I do better with a certain FM station I like, AM is terrible.
 
My 2005 Chevy Impala gets great reception with the antenna in the rear glass on both AM and FM. I've rented 2008 and 2009 Toyota Camrys in the last couple of years and they get very good reception with their rear glass antennas as well.
 
The window antenna in my new Hyundai does a stellar job! I can pull in AM and FM stations from much further away, and more consistent signal strength, than on any other radio I own.
 
Did anyone consider that window mounted antennas may (now) to a better job, as they're not buffeted by he wind while driving, allowing them to "lock onto & hold" stations better?

G
 
Does anyone know if the tuners in these newer vehicles have simply been better engineered to try to compensate for the supposed inferiority of the new stylsh "stubby" antennas, or the in-glass variety?

I have no personal experience with these newer type antennas. I suppose I'm still a believer in the "more metal in the air" theory.
 
upstate29651 said:
Did anyone consider that window mounted antennas may (now) to a better job, as they're not buffeted by he wind while driving, allowing them to "lock onto & hold" stations better?

G
Antennas don't "lock onto and hold" radio waves. They just receive them and convert it into a changing voltage. The only improvement would be that the connection between the base of the antenna would be solid with an in glass antenna since the whip antenna moves around.
 
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