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Cardinals Move: It's Official

If this doesn't get this board hopping, nothing will.

KSDK/5 reports that the move of St. Louis Cardinals baseball from long-time flagship KMOX/1120 to KTRS/550 is official:

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=82854>http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=82854</a>

KSDK reports that the deal also gives the Cards 50% ownership in KTRS.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
> If this doesn't get this board hopping, nothing will.
>
> KSDK/5 reports that the move of St. Louis Cardinals baseball
> from long-time flagship KMOX/1120 to KTRS/550 is official:
>
> http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=82854
>
> KSDK reports that the deal also gives the Cards 50%
> ownership in KTRS.
>
> -OA
>

This message going out to the Saint Louis Cardinals organization....

You people have no idea what you have done for sports fans like me who have slept every night since I was old enough to understand with a walkman tuned in to KMOX. I am from Russellville, Arkansas which is a town where there is no decent Cardinals affiliate to serve the area at night. That has never been a concern because I would be able to tune in Radio 1120 at night and hear everything crystal clear. But because the powers that be only care about the almighty dollar, they choose KTRS, which I have problems picking up at Six Flags Over STL at night.

You guys have abandoned your fans and will ultimately hurt the program. Most people out in the boon docks who don't have an affiliate are not going to pay to listen to the radio... It's too early in the game for that. And now that you've built a brand new stadium that doesn't seat as many people, there are a lot of fans who may just totally give up interest. I'll take my tickets to the Braves series this weekend, and I'll continue to watch proudly. But as I was telling a source very close to the decision making process, "You dance with the one that brung ya...." Why fix something that is NOT broken.....

Jack Buck is probably still listening because I bet ya you can hear KMOX on the golden streets.... You can barely pick up KTRS in Saint Charles.... What kind of BS reasoning is that? This decision sickens me... It doesn't matter what station carries it if you are sitting under the Arch, but unfortunately the Cards organization is failing to realize just how far beyond I-270 the Redbird Nation reaches. And that my friends can be TOTALLY credited to KMOX.... That station is the SOLE reason that we have such a broad fan base. So you go on ahead and cut your ties... Then we'll see who is bitching when merchandise sales go down because people in outerlying areas aren't buying.

I won't be listening to the games next year... not because I don't care. IT'S BECAUSE I CAN'T!!! YOU PEOPLE HAVE MADE IT THAT WAY!!! YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY A STAPLE OF MY LIFE THAT GOES BACK TO MY CHILDHOOD. My greatest memories have come from sitting around be it on the back porch or in the car listening to Jack and Mike. I freakin felt like I was there... I've been in that broadcast booth and watched... it is a powerful feeling to know where all the call of the game is going. But no more......

Maybe I am a little overzealous... Maybe I am taking this too personal. But folks, I am first and foremost a CARDINALS FAN who wants the best for this organization. And I am a CARDINALS FAN solely because I could hear the games growing up on KMOX.

You haven't just shot yourself in the foot.... You just blew it off with a 12 guage. Hope you are happy because our fan base will be walking with a severe limp.
 
> You haven't just shot yourself in the foot.... You just blew
> it off with a 12 guage. Hope you are happy because our fan
> base will be walking with a severe limp.

You know something, I understand having the games on a 50,000 watt flamethrower has broadened the Cardinals' reach. And I feel for folks who will lose the games because KTRS/550 is not quite as good signal-wise.

But it's not a 50 watt station or anything. They'll have to fill in some of the holes in KTRS' night pattern, particularly to the east of St. Louis. If the Cards are as popular as they seem to be in the region, they should have no trouble lining up local affiliates, even in a market like yours. The Cards' network already seems somewhat strong, even with the presence of KMOX!

I was driving along I-70 into St. Louis, and was able to pick up a mid-Missouri FM Cards affiliate very nearly into St. Charles/St. Peters as clear as a bell.

I understand your pain, tho. I just think they'll figure out how to make up for it.

-OA <P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Save your breath the Cardinals are not listening. Your loyalty means nothing to them.

Cards tear down a beautiful stadium - To Make More Money

They buy into KTRS - To Make More Money


Suckers like you who can't get KMOX have to buy XM or mlb.com audio - SO they can make more money.

Quit your whining and pay up if you want your Cardinal baseball so much.

Obviously you mean nothing to the Cardinals, but Jacksons, Grants and Benjamins set on green paper do. I mean the owners are best friends with G.W. Since when does things like how the fanbase feels factor into anything? These are GW types. The only thing that matters to these people is separating the fans from their Jacksons, Grants, and Benjamins, whether it be in real paper or from the swipe of a cold plastic card. The Cardinals could care less. Just pay up.

You can't come to the stadium because you live out there somewhere in Arkansas, and you can't get KMOX. You're screwed...unless...you pay up. They can't get your money at the ticket office, so they will get it through XM or mlb radio. You won't buy $50 tickets and $7.00 beers, so the least they can get is $15 from mlb.com or $9.95 a month from XM with additional equipment and installation fees.

KMOX helped the Cardinals more than they'll ever now, but the folks at Infity were too stupid to stop the transaction from happening. The decision to not try harder to keep the Cards was made in New York. You meant nothing in the decision process. KMOX is a backwater swap stick in the eyes of Infinity. IT's obvious they could care less about offering a quality product. But St. Louisians are so set in their ways that KMOX will be the number one station come hell or high water.

ARe you going to take this from the Cardinals? Gonna let them take your money?

I hope someone humiliates them in the World Series just like last year and that they have three consecutive seasons in last place. KTRS will then lose interest. They'll be at KMOX before too long.


I will no longer be able to get the Cards in Chicago either.

GO SOX...that's all I can say, white ones that is.
 
> Save your breath the Cardinals are not listening. Your
> loyalty means nothing to them.
>
> Cards tear down a beautiful stadium - To Make More Money
>
> They buy into KTRS - To Make More Money
>
> Suckers like you who can't get KMOX have to buy XM or
> mlb.com audio - SO they can make more money.
>
> Quit your whining and pay up if you want your Cardinal
> baseball so much.
>
> Obviously you mean nothing to the Cardinals, but Jacksons,
> Grants and Benjamins set on green paper do. I mean the
> owners are best friends with G.W. Since when does things
> like how the fanbase feels factor into anything? These are
> GW types. The only thing that matters to these people is
> separating the fans from their Jacksons, Grants, and
> Benjamins, whether it be in real paper or from the swipe of
> a cold plastic card. The Cardinals could care less. Just pay
> up.
>
> You can't come to the stadium because you live out there
> somewhere in Arkansas, and you can't get KMOX. You're
> screwed...unless...you pay up. They can't get your money at
> the ticket office, so they will get it through XM or mlb
> radio. You won't buy $50 tickets and $7.00 beers, so the
> least they can get is $15 from mlb.com or $9.95 a month from
> XM with additional equipment and installation fees...


Well written - although I should correct you on the XM monthly; it's $12.95, if not soon.<P ID="signature">______________


New York City Radio and TV</P>
 
From the KMOX standpoint, it probably won't hurt them all that much in the short term..

They no longer have to pre emp Limbaugh..and if you've ever worked for a Rush affliate, and had to bump El Rushbo for sports, you know what I'm talking about..

Not having the Rams or the Blues seems to have mattered not one iota on One Memorial Drive for a while now..

They can still bring Bernie and company in to talk about the Cardinals all they want..they can carry MNF and the Sunday NFL package on Westwood One..they still dominate in AM and PM Drive..

Look, I can pick up KMOX on my walkman in N-E Ohio most of the time at night....its a comfort to hear Bob Hamilton and the crew do what they do..

But this is not the end of the world..

I'll be at Best Buy before the end of the year, getting both Sirus and XM service..this is where the business is heading..I doubt that where I work currently will be around a decade from now..

No one has mentioned this..what happens to the Blues? The Hockey Franchise was greeted with open arms a few years ago, after being the red headed stepchild on KMOX since their inception..now, they're back where they started..

Who would have ever predicted that the Frank O Pinion station would ever get the Cardinals? Or the Blues? Or the AM side of the Rams?

Seems like Infinity was asleep at the switch..but Infinty has never been a big fan of news talk for a while now..

This gives the Cardinals an amazing opportunity..you can do two hour pre and post game shows every day during the season...and sell the snot out of it..

This ownership learned a few things from watching A-B..and going to a game under their stewardship has been just as enjoyable..

Will I miss the ''old'' Busch Stadium..of course..but there are seats there that are not and never will be good baseball site line seats..you won't have to make the climb to the upper deck, which was great if your pulse rate needed it..but if you were an older fan, it was a struggle..

You can also expand the radio network in the Greater St. Louis area to an extent that KMOX would never allow..

The first station I ever worked for, about an hour from St. Louis, lost the rights to Cardinal Baseball years ago when they dared venture into Crystal City and Festus to sell spots..the brewery and KMOX threw a fit..that won't happen now..

Breathe..it will work out in the end..
 
Excellent objective points Speaker. People become so emotionally attached but that new stadium, in addition to being a cash-cow for the owners, promises to give the fans far better sight lines and it just plain looks cooler then sterile round Busch.

Its America and nothing that people love remains free so folks in the hinterlands will have to adjust and buy XM... as they buy satellite TV service.

I do think not having baseball will chip away at kmox's ratings over the longterm.
 
> Save your breath the Cardinals are not listening. Your
> loyalty means nothing to them.
>
> Cards tear down a beautiful stadium - To Make More Money
>
> They buy into KTRS - To Make More Money
>
>
> Suckers like you who can't get KMOX have to buy XM or
> mlb.com audio - SO they can make more money.
>
> Quit your whining and pay up if you want your Cardinal
> baseball so much.
>
> Obviously you mean nothing to the Cardinals, but Jacksons,
> Grants and Benjamins set on green paper do. I mean the
> owners are best friends with G.W. Since when does things
> like how the fanbase feels factor into anything? These are
> GW types. The only thing that matters to these people is
> separating the fans from their Jacksons, Grants, and
> Benjamins, whether it be in real paper or from the swipe of
> a cold plastic card. The Cardinals could care less. Just pay
> up.
>
> You can't come to the stadium because you live out there
> somewhere in Arkansas, and you can't get KMOX. You're
> screwed...unless...you pay up. They can't get your money at
> the ticket office, so they will get it through XM or mlb
> radio. You won't buy $50 tickets and $7.00 beers, so the
> least they can get is $15 from mlb.com or $9.95 a month from
> XM with additional equipment and installation fees.
>
> KMOX helped the Cardinals more than they'll ever now, but
> the folks at Infity were too stupid to stop the transaction
> from happening. The decision to not try harder to keep the
> Cards was made in New York. You meant nothing in the
> decision process. KMOX is a backwater swap stick in the eyes
> of Infinity. IT's obvious they could care less about
> offering a quality product. But St. Louisians are so set in
> their ways that KMOX will be the number one station come
> hell or high water.
>
> ARe you going to take this from the Cardinals? Gonna let
> them take your money?
>
> I hope someone humiliates them in the World Series just like
> last year and that they have three consecutive seasons in
> last place. KTRS will then lose interest. They'll be at KMOX
> before too long.
>
>
> I will no longer be able to get the Cards in Chicago either.
>
>
> GO SOX...that's all I can say, white ones that is.
>


Let me get this straight........you're trying to blame this move on the facts that the owners are friends of GEORGE W. BUSH???

I understand and agree that this is simply a money grab by greedy owners, but come on now, don't you think that is a little ridiculous?

You realize that you are making Rush Limbaugh sound like a genius when he says that liberals are so desperate to regain power that they will blame anything and everything on Bush just to try and make him look bad.

I guess he's correct.
 
It's just a sad end to a great partnership. There are many, many Cards fans across the country and Canada, because of the Late, Great Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on KMOX. I'm sure Jack is tossing and turning in his grave over this news. With over 4,000,000 XM subscribers and growing , Internet broadcasting, and other forms of modern technology, this isn't as big of a deal, as it would have been about five or ten years ago. However, there used to be two things you could depend on in St. Louis... Budweiser availiable just about everywhere you go and the Cards game on KMOX. The times they are a changin'!<P ID="signature">______________
The Bitterness of Poor Quality Lingers Long After The Sweetness of Low Price Is Long Forgotten.</P>
 
Even this Cub fan thinks it's a sad day for baseball. I love listening to the Cards on KMOX; Jack Buck was one of my all-time favorites. F'ing Cardinals!! How could they do this? Pathetic and disgraceful move.

> It's just a sad end to a great partnership. There are many,
> many Cards fans across the country and Canada, because of
> the Late, Great Jack Buck and Mike Shannon on KMOX. I'm
> sure Jack is tossing and turning in his grave over this
> news. With over 4,000,000 XM subscribers and growing ,
> Internet broadcasting, and other forms of modern technology,
> this isn't as big of a deal, as it would have been about
> five or ten years ago. However, there used to be two things
> you could depend on in St. Louis... Budweiser availiable
> just about everywhere you go and the Cards game on KMOX.
> The times they are a changin'!
 
Cardinals Move: The Reality, Folks

> Even this Cub fan thinks it's a sad day for baseball. I love
> listening to the Cards on KMOX; Jack Buck was one of my
> all-time favorites. F'ing Cardinals!! How could they do
> this? Pathetic and disgraceful move.

OK, aside from the distant listening issues, let's throw this out:

KMOX is no longer KMOX.

Sure, it's a 50,000 watt flamethrowing signal that hits a lot of real estate, especially at night. But if you really want to look at this *locally*, in St. Louis itself, KTRS is more KMOX than KMOX is.

It's run by a former KMOX sales executive (Mr. Dorsey). A very large chunk of the KTRS air staff claims KMOX as their most recent former home. The station is locally owned and run, and many of its investors are high-profile St. Louis names (Dan Dierdorf, etc.).

Meanwhile, KMOX, the soon-to-be-former home of the Cardinals, is owned by national conglomerate Infinity Broadcasting.

If KMOX was owned by the same kind of people who own, say, KTRS... the Cardinals go nowhere from 1120. Period. In fact, it's 550's extensive local ties that prompted the station to basically overpay for the rights, because they know how important that team is to St. Louis. Infinity's New York-based upper management didn't see that value. They LOST the team...KTRS didn't GAIN it.

Yes, it ticks off a lot of folks who will A) have to retrain their radio tuning fingers to go to 550 vs. 1120, or B) lose that over-air night-time access to the games since they won't be on the mighty 50,000 watt KMOX.

But I'd really like someone to dig into this, and give an estimate of how many people that REALLY affects. Put aside the teary stories of people who've been listening to the Cardinals on 1120 on their transistor radio in a faraway state since 1954, and get to the facts.

How many people in the team's marketing territory will not have access to the games on one of the 110-plus Cardinals Radio Network stations? The station's network is VERY extensive. From the list of stations in Missouri alone, it looks like they've signed up half the signals in the state, and that's BEFORE KMOX lost the rights.

The phrase "team's marketing territory" is very specific. If you're a resident of Chicago or Kansas City or other reasonably nearby areas who listens to the Cards on KMOX now, frankly, too bad. You're not in their territory. They can't even TRY to reach you, because MLB won't let the Cardinals sign up an affiliate in Chicago or Kansas City (though they can get reasonably close, I guess, outside the market).

The fact that you COULD pick up the games, at night, for free on KMOX, was a BONUS. If you live in the Cubs/White Sox territory, MLB never meant for you to become a Cardinals fan. I'm sorry that's so blunt, but that's the way it is. Their focus is, and should be, fans in their OWN vast territory, and I have a hard time believing there are many gaps in a 110-station network in that region.

It isn't as romantic as pulling KMOX/1120 out of the static at night, but people in the region should still be able to hear the games on LOCAL stations. It's great that the club has a "national" following, but that's a BONUS.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Cardinals Move: Announcer Changes?

Does this mean the new owners can change who is doing the play-by-play of the games? Is Mike Shannon going to be relegated back to color and let Wayne Hagen handle the main duties? Will the new rights bring that change?
 
Mike Shannon And Wayne Hagin Will Move With The Cards To KTRS

According to this press release from the Cardinals announcing the radio switch, Mike Shannon and Wayne Hagin will move to KTRS-550 and continue to call Cards' games.

This is one of the biggest developments concerning local play-by-play sports broadcasts in years. IIRC, KMOX-1120's relationship as Cardinals' flagship station, which will end following the conclusion of the 2005 season, was the third longest between a team and a flagship station. I believe only WGN-720 Chicago and the Cubs, along with KDKA-1020 Pittsburgh and the Pirates, have been together longer than KMOX and the Cards.
 
I'm beginning to think that the only way KMOX-1120 could have held on to the Cards was if Infinity was willing to sell to the Cards a 50% share in the station (which is what happened with new rightsholder KTRS-550).

I don't think anyone at Infinity would have gone along with such a move, so the alternative was to let the Cards leave the station and end a 50-year-plus relationship.
 
Re: Mike Shannon And Wayne Hagin Will Move With The Cards To KTRS

> This is one of the biggest developments concerning local
> play-by-play sports broadcasts in years. IIRC, KMOX-1120's
> relationship as Cardinals' flagship station, which will end
> following the conclusion of the 2005 season, was the third
> longest between a team and a flagship station. I believe
> only WGN-720 Chicago and the Cubs, along with KDKA-1020
> Pittsburgh and the Pirates, have been together longer than
> KMOX and the Cards.
>

Actually, the Cards/KMOX relationship is the longest continuous running exclusive relationship in MLB history. It's been exclusive for 52 years. No station can match that. Plus, KMOX has done baseball in some way, shape, or form since 1929...no station can match that, either. KDKA missed a few years in there, otherwise they would be. But, KMOX takes the cake on most longevity issues. It all ends in 2005.
 
Re: Mike Shannon And Wayne Hagin Will Move With The Cards To KTRS

>
> >
>
> Actually, the Cards/KMOX relationship is the longest
> continuous running exclusive relationship in MLB history.
> It's been exclusive for 52 years. No station can match
> that. Plus, KMOX has done baseball in some way, shape, or
> form since 1929...no station can match that, either. KDKA
> missed a few years in there, otherwise they would be. But,
> KMOX takes the cake on most longevity issues. It all ends
> in 2005.
>

It's funny, I was listening to the ESPN Radio pregame of Sunday Night Baseball, and they replayed Mike Shannon's call of David Eckstein's grand slam winner in today's Cards/Braves game and at the end they said "Mike Shannon on KMOX/St. Louis". I thought to myself, "I won't hear that much more."<P ID="signature">______________
The Bitterness of Poor Quality Lingers Long After The Sweetness of Low Price Is Long Forgotten.</P>
 
Re: Mike Shannon And Wayne Hagin Will Move With The Cards To KTRS

This is a sad day for the legions of Cardinal fans who don't live near St. Louis and also don't live in an area covered by another affiliate, who came to see KMOX as much a part of the Cardinals as St. Louis itself. Jack Buck is surely turning in his grave! No, I will not be getting satellite radio.
 
Re: Mike Shannon And Wayne Hagin Will Move With The Cards To KTRS

Its a big story locally, yes. However, its no longer 1954. The folks in Baxter Springs, KS, Forney, TX, and other remote locations have more media outlets to choose from now. In those days it was KMOX, KOA, WBAP, WLS and WWL and that was about it.
>
This is a sad day for the legions of Cardinal fans who don't
> live near St. Louis and also don't live in an area covered
> by another affiliate, who came to see KMOX as much a part of
> the Cardinals as St. Louis itself. Jack Buck is surely
> turning in his grave! No, I will not be getting satellite
> radio.
>
 
NOOOOOO!!! Re: Cardinals Move: It's Official

> If this doesn't get this board hopping, nothing will.
>
> KSDK/5 reports that the move of St. Louis Cardinals baseball
> from long-time flagship KMOX/1120 to KTRS/550 is official:
>
> http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=82854
>
> KSDK reports that the deal also gives the Cards 50%
> ownership in KTRS.
>
> -OA
>
I am from Dallas, and I love to listen to the Cards on KMOX!!! Why is this happening??!! I agree with all of you who are fighting this. I have a little transister radio that picks up (obviously the Rangers), the Astros (KTRH-Houston), the Reds (WLW-Cincy), the Rockies (KOA-Denver), the Royals (KSAL-Salina, KS; and KKOW-Pittsburg, KS), the Cubbies (WGN-Chicago), and even the Pirates (KDKA-Pit). I love to listen to MLB on the radio. Baseball on the radio is a timeless tradition that is one of the oldest coming from the 20th century. It really sucks now that I can't hear the Cards too.

I guess I will just have to try to pick up KTRS, but its not likely... we have KLIF 570, a major NewsTalk Station.

Well.. it is very sad news to hear. I will still continue to listen to the voice of the midwest, but it just wont be the same without the great tradition.

Go Cards!

Regards from Texas,

CTL
 
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