• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

Carly Simon is classic rock?

Jefferson Starship was also heavily criticized by their long-time fans for "selling out" and "going corporate" in the '80s when they jettisoned "Jefferson" from their name and had three #1 pop hits, "We Built This City", "Sara", and "Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now".

Chicago tried returning to their original brassy sound in the late '90s -- they brought back the horn section, but not Cetera, and released two new songs, "All Roads Lead to You" and "Show Me a Sign", which received modest AC airplay.
Their best song was “Jane” in my opinion.
 
Just say no? 80's kids were doing cocaine.
At $50 to $80 (or more) a gram? No, not kids. Mostly young professionals and the like.
A lot of music in the 80's had the same glossy production. That was the style then. Many things that are really bad become popular. Remember "Macerena"?
"La Macarena" was simply a pop remake of a flamenco song recorded some years earlier. Don't make it into something it was not.
 
Last edited:
How is that not selling out?
"Selling Out" refers to someone, or a business, which completely alters it's brand or culture as a result of pressure by a third party or market entity.

Remember the BeeGees V1? They were very different from V2 and changed from Folk Rock to Disco almost overnight - because that was what was selling. Some would call that "selling out" but I would call it smart business. Sometimes you change or die. We see that every day in radio formats.
 
"Selling Out" refers to someone, or a business, which completely alters it's brand or culture as a result of pressure by a third party or market entity.

Remember the BeeGees V1? They were very different from V2 and changed from Folk Rock to Disco almost overnight - because that was what was selling. Some would call that "selling out" but I would call it smart business. Sometimes you change or die. We see that every day in radio formats.
Well, they were good, regardless of their style.
 
The #1 song on that list should be "I Love This Land" by Lee Greenwood et al.

What a sappy song!
 
Okay. Let’s say John and George stay together and Paul and Ringo do too. Which one is the same band then?
It was John and Paul's band. They formed it and George was brought in later and Ringo, much later. Also, I was talking about lead singers who were definitely John and Paul. George was given about two songs per album. Ringo had even fewer.
If Denny Laine were the new guitarist, wouldn't they be the Plastic Ono Wings?
:LOL:
Keith Moon on drums ... Plastic Ono Who?
It only really works because of the "B" connection between "Beatles" and "Band" and has to have "Beatles" in the title in order to work at all. I considered, "Beatle Wings" but thought the other one was funnier. Trust me on this. I am the living legend of the leader of the pun. :rolleyes:
 
The #1 song on that list should be "I Love This Land" by Lee Greenwood et al.

What a sappy song!
You mean "God Bless the U.S.A."? The worst offense of that song is against English grammar, in the line "I'm proud to be an American, where at least I know I'm free." At least it hasn't become an unofficial second national anthem, like that hack Irving Berlin's "God Bless America," originally written as a show piece in a patriotic revue during World War I. Since 9/11, that ditty-turned-divine-right-proclamation has sullied seventh-inning stretches in ballparks large and small across this land.
 
"Selling Out" refers to someone, or a business, which completely alters it's brand or culture as a result of pressure by a third party or market entity.

Remember the BeeGees V1? They were very different from V2 and changed from Folk Rock to Disco almost overnight - because that was what was selling. Some would call that "selling out" but I would call it smart business. Sometimes you change or die. We see that every day in radio formats.
And when that wave died, they concentrated on being producers.
 
Selling out begins at the moment you sign a recording contract. The dreamers singing of changing the world in subway stations and on street corners are the ones who haven't sold out.
 
"Selling Out" refers to someone, or a business, which completely alters it's brand or culture as a result of pressure by a third party or market entity.

Remember the BeeGees V1? They were very different from V2 and changed from Folk Rock to Disco almost overnight - because that was what was selling. Some would call that "selling out" but I would call it smart business. Sometimes you change or die. We see that every day in radio formats.
Tuna, I agree with that. But Bee Gees V1 becoming Disco Bee Gees V2 is different from the Bee Gees selling "How Do You Mend A Broken Heart" or "Stayin' Alive" for Entresto (heart medicine) commercials. Although whoever controls the Sonny and Cher catalog was fine with it:

 
Selling out begins at the moment you sign a recording contract. The dreamers singing of changing the world in subway stations and on street corners are the ones who haven't sold out.
Name five Bob Dylan songs used in commercials.

Name five Beatles songs used in commercials before Michael Jackson bought the catalog.

Or Tom Petty, or Steely Dan...

Paul Simon used to be on that list, until 2011, when he licensed "The Only Living Boy In New York" for the 2011 Accord commercial:


And he's done it a few more times since.
 
The real "selling out" happened within the past few years when the old-timers like Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, and Stevie Nicks sold all the rights to their music to their record companies for hundreds of millions of dollars. Now if their music shows up in a TV commercial, they'll have no control over it.

But not that artists have much control over the use of their music, anyway. There's a long list of artists who complained and filed cease and desist orders when Trump and other politicians used their music at their campaign rallies, and yet they continued to do so anyway.
 
The real "selling out" happened within the past few years when the old-timers like Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, and Stevie Nicks sold all the rights to their music to their record companies for hundreds of millions of dollars. Now if their music shows up in a TV commercial, they'll have no control over it.

But not that artists have much control over the use of their music, anyway. There's a long list of artists who complained and filed cease and desist orders when Trump and other politicians used their music at their campaign rallies, and yet they continued to do so anyway.
Well, let's remember that music publishing rights are something that have been traded for decades. Paul McCartney may make more from the songs of other artists whose catalogs he owns than he does from his own songs, especially since Sony owns the Beatles stuff.
 
Am I the only person who gets “We Built This City”?

It’s Grace and company bemoaning what had happened to the San Francisco music scene in the 19 years since they, the Grateful Dead, Steve Miller and others put it on the map. By this point, about the only relevant SF act was Huey Lewis and the News.

And as for the “corporation games/corporation names” line, Jefferson Airplane/Jefferson Starship/Starship had been with RCA that whole time, but:

In 1985, Bertelsmann and RCA Records formed a joint venture called RCA/Ariola International.The following year, RCA Corporation was acquired by General Electric (GE) and it sold its 50% interest in RCA Records to its partner Bertelsmann. The company was renamed BMG Music for Bertelsmann Music Group.

Not that pre-GE, pre-Bertelsmann RCA was terribly artist-focused either (Someone’s always playing corporation games. Who cares? They’re always changing corporation names).

And yeah, I know Bernie Taupin and Martin Page wrote it about the evaporating music club scene in L.A., but it works both ways.
Well we had Les Garland as the DJ in the national version, for what it may or may not be worth
 
The real "selling out" happened within the past few years when the old-timers like Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, and Stevie Nicks sold all the rights to their music to their record companies for hundreds of millions of dollars. Now if their music shows up in a TV commercial, they'll have no control over it.

But not that artists have much control over the use of their music, anyway. There's a long list of artists who complained and filed cease and desist orders when Trump and other politicians used their music at their campaign rallies, and yet they continued to do so anyway.
Those artists sold their catalog because record sales have dried up. Probably a smart move. Without record sales, touring is the only source of income for most musicians these days.

Reptilian politicians that use artists songs without permission should be penalized. Clowns like Trump and others used "Born In The USA" at rallies with no clue what the song is actually about...
 
Tuna, I agree with that. But Bee Gees V1 becoming Disco Bee Gees V2 is different from the Bee Gees selling "How Do You Mend A Broken Heart" or "Stayin' Alive" for Entresto (heart medicine) commercials. Although whoever controls the Sonny and Cher catalog was fine with it:
You produce something that has value (when you might have thought it was out of date or obsolete). Someone comes to you offering money for it. Why WOULD'T you sell it to them (assuming you approve of their usage)? You make some income and expose your song to many thousands of potential customers.

I don't see a down side.
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom