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Cash = 1700 and The Mighty 1090

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The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now be heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700 signed on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with Doug Stephan.

Question = 1: I have heard that this station is also on 550 kHz?

Question = 2: Anyone with an idea on how many states Cash = 1700 reaches nightly?

Question = 3: Any official web site for Cash = 1700? The only thing I've found is a "listen live" link on The Mighty 1090 web site (below).

From San Diego = Broadcasters = Association:

http://www.sandiegoradio.com/news/news.php?BM

San Diego’s Broadcast Company of the Americas will debut a Business Talk format on XEPE AM/Tijuana- San Diego as “Cash 1700” in August. The station will feature syndicated programs including WOR Radio Network’s Jim Cramer and Bloomberg Radio Network News and local San Diego host Ray Lucia.

Listen Live to the Mighty = 1090 and Cash = 1700

http://www.mty1090.com/sc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=367&Itemid=1

From Wikipedia Cash = 1700 signs on Aug 05

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEPE

FCC Nightime pattern 10kW DA2 (2 towers) prepared = Nov 2005

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/AM_DA_patterns/1000313-86586.pdf

Nice to find a new station, especially one with business hosts that are increasingly hard to find.
 
> The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now be
> heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700 signed
> on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce
> Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with Doug
> Stephan.

I thought Mexico had clamped down on this sort of thing years ago. No more border blasters. At least not owned by the US and broadcasting English programs clearly aimed at American listeners.
 
> > The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now
> be
> > heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700 signed
>
> > on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce
> > Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with Doug
> > Stephan.
>
> I thought Mexico had clamped down on this sort of thing
> years ago. No more border blasters. At least not owned by
> the US and broadcasting English programs clearly aimed at
> American listeners.

It looks to me like they're blasting most of their signal out into the Pacific. Of course saltwater propogates AM signals like there's no tomorrow, and because of the "border blaster rules", that'd be the only way to legally attempt to blow your signal that far north. Still, though, that's not exactly the most effective way to go about it. Saltwater propogation doesn't go far inland at all. You'd be lucky to continue to pick it up a block away from the coast.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now
> be
> > heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700 signed
>
> > on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce
> > Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with Doug
> > Stephan.
>
> I thought Mexico had clamped down on this sort of thing
> years ago. No more border blasters. At least not owned by
> the US and broadcasting English programs clearly aimed at
> American listeners.
>

Don't think they clamped down on 10kw "blasters". :)
 
> > The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now
> be
> > heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700 signed
>
> > on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce
> > Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with Doug
> > Stephan.
>
> I thought Mexico had clamped down on this sort of thing
> years ago. No more border blasters. At least not owned by
> the US and broadcasting English programs clearly aimed at
> American listeners.

Mexico issues "English permits" through the SCT and such allows a Mexican station to transmit in English, whatever the desired audience may be.

In San Diego, there are 3 or 4 Mexican FMs with English permits, obviously serving San Diego. There are also several AMs with such permits, including XETRA, XEPRS and now the 1700 station.

None of these has the power to be considered a "blaster" but all are pretty decent signals for the SD market. There are one or two Cd. Juarez stations programming in English to El Paso, and there have been a number of English stations around non-border areas in Mexico in recent years.

None of these stations is owned by US interests, althoough they may be operated by them in LMA situations, just as are commonly done in the US. It is illegal for a non-Mexican to own more than 49% of a Mexican broadcast station... Clear Channel, for example, ownes 49% of Grupo Acir, with over 150 stations in Mexico.
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

Cash = 1700 does not give any call letters at the top of the hour, with a 1-2 second pause. Just heard the call letters for KVNS-AM 1700kHz at 3am PST from Brownsville, Texas (880 watts/night nd) 11/23/05 near Tacoma, Wa.

> > > The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now
>
> > be
> > > heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700
> signed
> >
> > > on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce
> > > Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with
> Doug
> > > Stephan.
> >
 
> > > The new Cash = 1700 (10kW/10kW DAN) from Mexico can now
>
> > be
> > > heard up the coast to Washington State. Cash = 1700
> signed
> >
> > > on in August with business = news/talk including Bruce
> > > Williams, Moe Ansari, Ray Lucia, and overnights with
> Doug
> > > Stephan.
> >
> > I thought Mexico had clamped down on this sort of thing
> > years ago. No more border blasters. At least not owned
> by
> > the US and broadcasting English programs clearly aimed at
> > American listeners.
>
> Mexico issues "English permits" through the SCT and such
> allows a Mexican station to transmit in English, whatever
> the desired audience may be.
>
> In San Diego, there are 3 or 4 Mexican FMs with English
> permits, obviously serving San Diego. There are also several
> AMs with such permits, including XETRA, XEPRS and now the
> 1700 station.

Hasn't 1700 essentially always served San Diego even when they carried Spanish programming? I know they had the Padres during their previous incarnation as Spanish AC Radio Romantica the first (and so far only) time I've heard them.

I'll have to try the frequency again now that they've flipped. KBGG-Des Moines usually dominates it here in Alabama, though.
 
>
> Hasn't 1700 essentially always served San Diego even when
> they carried Spanish programming? I know they had the
> Padres during their previous incarnation as Spanish AC Radio
> Romantica the first (and so far only) time I've heard them.

They served both Tijuana and SD when in Spanish. Since they are based in Mexico, they can sell on both sides of the border. Now, in English, they are a pure SD station.
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

> Cash = 1700 does not give any call letters at the top of the
> hour, with a 1-2 second pause.

If they do ID, it will be in Spanish and done very fast as is typical of English stations form Tijuana. An ID in English is not legal in Mexico.
 
Re: "CASH 1700...WHERE MONEY TALKS!"

> Do they actually say "Cash equals 1700"?

They say:

"CASH 1700...WHERE MONEY TALKS!" :)

Nice to hear Moe Ansari, Bruce Williams, Doug Stephan on 1700
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

> > Cash = 1700 does not give any call letters at the top of
> the
> > hour, with a 1-2 second pause.

Correction: Tonight I heard "Cash = 1700" tonight *prior* to a 2-3 second pause, and then the beginning of IRN network news (Information Radio Network). I haven't heard anything in Spanish yet at the top of the hour, but I'm still working on getting a better signal...competition with a station on 1700kHz from back east with Coast to Coast AM.

> If they do ID, it will be in Spanish and done very fast as
> is typical of English stations form Tijuana. An ID in
> English is not legal in Mexico.
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

> > > Cash = 1700 does not give any call letters at the top of
>
> > the
> > > hour, with a 1-2 second pause.
>
> Correction: Tonight I heard "Cash = 1700" tonight *prior* to
> a 2-3 second pause, and then the beginning of IRN network
> news (Information Radio Network). I haven't heard anything
> in Spanish yet at the top of the hour, but I'm still working
> on getting a better signal...competition with a station on
> 1700kHz from back east with Coast to Coast AM.
>
> > If they do ID, it will be in Spanish and done very fast as
>
> > is typical of English stations form Tijuana. An ID in
> > English is not legal in Mexico.

Are these two 1700s clashing mightily somewhere down near El Paso? Unless, that is, they're directed away from each other, but it seems like they're two stations getting a lot of widespread reports here.
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

>
> Are these two 1700s clashing mightily somewhere down near El
> Paso? Unless, that is, they're directed away from each
> other, but it seems like they're two stations getting a lot
> of widespread reports here.
>

1700 is only about 100 kHz removed from the 160 meter ham band. It's a short wave frequency! At night, 100 watts from Australia on one of these frequencies can be heard in the US easily, as was proven in the past with many receptions of the public stations above 1600 in Oz.
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

> >
> > Are these two 1700s clashing mightily somewhere down near
> El
> > Paso? Unless, that is, they're directed away from each
> > other, but it seems like they're two stations getting a
> lot
> > of widespread reports here.
> >
>
> 1700 is only about 100 kHz removed from the 160 meter ham
> band. It's a short wave frequency! At night, 100 watts from
> Australia on one of these frequencies can be heard in the US
> easily, as was proven in the past with many receptions of
> the public stations above 1600 in Oz.
>

In Memphis 1700 is usually a mix of Brownsville and the 1700 near Dallas. How did the FCC let those two stations to be so close together??
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

>
> In Memphis 1700 is usually a mix of Brownsville and the 1700
> near Dallas. How did the FCC let those two stations to be so
> close together??

They are far enough apart to protect the local coverage of each. There is, I believe, no compensation for the different skywave charecteristics of high frequencies in the rules and there is a de facto non-protection of skywave for the X banders. These are supposed to be local stations, and as long as thelocal coverage is protected, there is no problem.
>
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

> >
> > In Memphis 1700 is usually a mix of Brownsville and the
> 1700
> > near Dallas. How did the FCC let those two stations to be
> so
> > close together??
>
> They are far enough apart to protect the local coverage of
> each. There is, I believe, no compensation for the different
> skywave charecteristics of high frequencies in the rules and
> there is a de facto non-protection of skywave for the X
> banders. These are supposed to be local stations, and as
> long as thelocal coverage is protected, there is no problem.
>
> >
>
If I remember correctly..I believe the rules of X banders are...stations have to be at least 250 miles apart on the same frequency. At least 125 miles apart between adjacent frequencies. 10kW day power. 1kW night power. Everyone run with a non directional antenna. The initial idea was to not crowd the stations in so close to each other..therefore attempting to keep the inteference level down so the X band frequencies didnt wind up sounding like 1490 at night.
 
Re: KVNS 1700 Brownsville, TX 8.8kW/.88kW ND2 heard near Tacoma, Wa.

> > >
> > > In Memphis 1700 is usually a mix of Brownsville and the
> > 1700
> > > near Dallas. How did the FCC let those two stations to
> be
> > so
> > > close together??
> >
> > They are far enough apart to protect the local coverage of
>
> > each. There is, I believe, no compensation for the
> different
> > skywave charecteristics of high frequencies in the rules
> and
> > there is a de facto non-protection of skywave for the X
> > banders. These are supposed to be local stations, and as
> > long as thelocal coverage is protected, there is no
> problem.
> >
> > >
> >
> If I remember correctly..I believe the rules of X banders
> are...stations have to be at least 250 miles apart on the
> same frequency. At least 125 miles apart between adjacent
> frequencies. 10kW day power. 1kW night power. Everyone run
> with a non directional antenna. The initial idea was to not
> crowd the stations in so close to each other..therefore
> attempting to keep the inteference level down so the X band
> frequencies didnt wind up sounding like 1490 at night.
>

Well, I think someone messed up that idea. The whole X-band sounds just like 1410 to me. Nothing but a mess....
 
> Don't think they clamped down on 10kw "blasters". :)

The propagation is a little different on extended band. I have been surprised at how far 10 kW propagates, even daytime. It has been a wash these last few days in Lubbock, whether "powerhouse" low band KMKI at 5 kW 620 kHz is stronger from 330 miles, or 10 kW 1690 from Denver at 550 mile is stronger. Add even a bit of skywave to it, and Denver blasts in here like a local. And at night, with 1 kW, it fights with 1690 Chicago's 1 kW, with both alternately sounding almost like locals.
 
Speaking of 160

> 1700 is only about 100 kHz removed from the 160 meter ham
> band. It's a short wave frequency! At night, 100 watts from
> Australia on one of these frequencies can be heard in the US
> easily, as was proven in the past with many receptions of
> the public stations above 1600 in Oz.


160 has SW and MW characteristics. Not very much activity at all in the daytime. But at night good relative long distant reception can be had but with a more stable skip than some of the higher HF frequencies. The AM hams hang around 1885 or so. It takes fairly large antennas for 160. I sandwiched in room for a 40 meter dipole with a few feet to spare at best.



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