Cash Flow Down 75% at V100

[mostb1]

Cash flow has bled down from $20 million to $5 million over the past 18 months.

Short time link from InsideRadio.com http://www.insideradio.com/topheadline.asp?ID=490807&PT=Today's

 

[Radiogeek500]

Just illestrates what can happen when you have idiots running the show in LA.

On another note, anyone notice more R&B on KDAY? That can't be good news for Mama and Son.

 

[davideduardo]

Just illestrates what can happen when you have idiots running the show in LA.

On another note, anyone notice more R&B on KDAY? That can't be good news for Mama and Son.

It would not surprise me to see Radio One buy KDAY to complement V100. Roy and Co. is probably not billing much over there, and a nice offer would suit both parties.

 

[radioresearcher]

Just illestrates what can happen when you have idiots running the show in LA.

On another note, anyone notice more R&B on KDAY? That can't be good news for Mama and Son.

It would not surprise me to see Radio One buy KDAY to complement V100. Roy and Co. is probably not billing much over there, and a nice offer would suit both parties.

David:

How could Radio One convince Wall Street to let them purchase another L.A. station when the one they have is way down in revenue? Magic paid $120 million ... could they get that now? No one sells for a loss in this business.

 

[mostb1]

Just illestrates what can happen when you have idiots running the show in LA.

On another note, anyone notice more R&B on KDAY? That can't be good news for Mama and Son.

It would not surprise me to see Radio One buy KDAY to complement V100. Roy and Co. is probably not billing much over there, and a nice offer would suit both parties.

David:

How could Radio One convince Wall Street to let them purchase another L.A. station when the one they have is way down in revenue? Magic paid $120 million ... could they get that now? No one sells for a loss in this business.

Besides, Roy wants more stations in L.A.. And what would Radio One do with it. They can't compete in this market with just one station.

 

[radioresearcher]

Just illestrates what can happen when you have idiots running the show in LA.

On another note, anyone notice more R&B on KDAY? That can't be good news for Mama and Son.

It would not surprise me to see Radio One buy KDAY to complement V100. Roy and Co. is probably not billing much over there, and a nice offer would suit both parties.

David:

How could Radio One convince Wall Street to let them purchase another L.A. station when the one they have is way down in revenue? Magic paid $120 million ... could they get that now? No one sells for a loss in this business.

Besides, Roy wants more stations in L.A.. And what would Radio One do with it. They can't compete in this market with just one station.

Magic isn't likely to shell out for more stations - so Roy would probably have to work a deal with a potential KDAY buyer.

 

[davideduardo]

How could Radio One convince Wall Street to let them purchase another L.A. station when the one they have is way down in revenue? Magic paid $120 million ... could they get that now? No one sells for a loss in this business.

It's only the lenders that needd convincing. Wall Street can only react by shorting the stock or bidding it down. I can see going to the lenders and showing that they need an 18-34 and a 25-54 station to serve the African American community. If they are meeting debt service, and in compliance on all ratios, I would guess that they could get the financing easily.

CBS sold its San Antonio properties for less than they paid, after they destroyed them. I see no reaon why Magic could not get out with less... especially if they are not meeting projections or servicing debt

 

[Radiogeek500]

What really needs to happen is if RO stays around, then the two formats need to merged. You can't have two 1.3s, especially with a Class B, no one buys a 1.3, it don't matter what the demo is. There's too many stations targeting a small black base, which is either in no growth mode or is declining.

KDAY should actually be on 100.3 WITH Harvey and then 93.5 can go back to serving Latinos with a underserved Spanish Ninche.

 

[radioresearcher]

What really needs to happen is if RO stays around, then the two formats need to merged. You can't have two 1.3s, especially with a Class B, no one buys a 1.3, it don't matter what the demo is. There's too many stations targeting a small black base, which is either in no growth mode or is declining.

KDAY should actually be on 100.3 WITH Harvey and then 93.5 can go back to serving Latinos with a underserved Spanish Ninche.

Or vice versa... 93.5's signal does a good job covering the Black audience. Until 1990, L.A. survived just fine with two Urban fm's - KJLH and KACE ... and probably could again. Especially with Power 106 serving the younger end.

In my opinion, there's no hole to be the 18-34 Black station. Power 106 is able to serve both young Blacks and Hispanics and does a fine job of it.

Josh is not wrong, we need one less Urban radio station.

 

[mostb1]

What really needs to happen is if RO stays around, then the two formats need to merged. You can't have two 1.3s, especially with a Class B, no one buys a 1.3, it don't matter what the demo is. There's too many stations targeting a small black base, which is either in no growth mode or is declining.

KDAY should actually be on 100.3 WITH Harvey and then 93.5 can go back to serving Latinos with a underserved Spanish Ninche.

Or vice versa... 93.5's signal does a good job covering the Black audience. Until 1990, L.A. survived just fine with two Urban fm's - KJLH and KACE ... and probably could again. Especially with Power 106 serving the younger end.

In my opinion, there's no hole to be the 18-34 Black station. Power 106 is able to serve both young Blacks and Hispanics and does a fine job of it.

Josh is not wrong, we need one less Urban radio station.

There is no reason why Radio One can't do quite well - and they already demonstrated they could - if they progammed the station correctly. KJLH nor KDAY are any kind of real competiton. V won't work as an Urban AC even with Hot abandoning the black audience. The Beat quickly grew to be an Urban even challenging KIIS early on. That was one reason why The Beat was a winner. I also question why they would bring back some of the same players from The Beat 15 years later Cliff is a nice enough guy but they're not going to be huge player in this market wih him doing their morning show. They need another high profile morning show like London or Harvey. And need to return to their roots as an Urban.

 

[radioresearcher]

What really needs to happen is if RO stays around, then the two formats need to merged. You can't have two 1.3s, especially with a Class B, no one buys a 1.3, it don't matter what the demo is. There's too many stations targeting a small black base, which is either in no growth mode or is declining.

KDAY should actually be on 100.3 WITH Harvey and then 93.5 can go back to serving Latinos with a underserved Spanish Ninche.

Or vice versa... 93.5's signal does a good job covering the Black audience. Until 1990, L.A. survived just fine with two Urban fm's - KJLH and KACE ... and probably could again. Especially with Power 106 serving the younger end.

In my opinion, there's no hole to be the 18-34 Black station. Power 106 is able to serve both young Blacks and Hispanics and does a fine job of it.

Josh is not wrong, we need one less Urban radio station.

There is no reason why Radio One can't do quite well - and they already demonstrated they could - if they progammed the station correctly. KJLH nor KDAY are any kind of real competiton. V won't work as an Urban AC even with Hot abandoning the black audience. The Beat quickly grew to be an Urban even challenging KIIS early on. That was one reason why The Beat was a winner. I also question why they would bring back some of the same players from The Beat 15 years later Cliff is a nice enough guy but they're not going to be huge player in this market wih him doing their morning show. They need another high profile morning show like London or Harvey. And need to return to their roots as an Urban.

Apparently they are competition. Both KDAY and KJLH are only 0.1 behind KRBV 12+ and I believe are beating them 25-54 where it counts.

Market was way different in 1990... A lot of people are missing that KXOL completely changed the market. They split the young Hispanic audience with Power 106. Go back and look and see how KKBT took a major hit when KXOL signed on. They had a good comp of young Hispanics listening to them as a P2. When KXOL came in, they were now the third (or even fourth choice) for hip-hop. Especially with KIIS leaning so rhythmic and KDAY pulling some numbers.

KDAY is as close to the old KKBT as you can get. Harvey in the morning, Theo and Julio... And it's still right around a 1 share.
Even if that was on a full stick - it's probably a 1.4-1.5. Nowhere near the 3 share KKBT used to be.

 

[mostb1]

What really needs to happen is if RO stays around, then the two formats need to merged. You can't have two 1.3s, especially with a Class B, no one buys a 1.3, it don't matter what the demo is. There's too many stations targeting a small black base, which is either in no growth mode or is declining.

KDAY should actually be on 100.3 WITH Harvey and then 93.5 can go back to serving Latinos with a underserved Spanish Ninche.

Or vice versa... 93.5's signal does a good job covering the Black audience. Until 1990, L.A. survived just fine with two Urban fm's - KJLH and KACE ... and probably could again. Especially with Power 106 serving the younger end.

In my opinion, there's no hole to be the 18-34 Black station. Power 106 is able to serve both young Blacks and Hispanics and does a fine job of it.

Josh is not wrong, we need one less Urban radio station.

There is no reason why Radio One can't do quite well - and they already demonstrated they could - if they progammed the station correctly. KJLH nor KDAY are any kind of real competiton. V won't work as an Urban AC even with Hot abandoning the black audience. The Beat quickly grew to be an Urban even challenging KIIS early on. That was one reason why The Beat was a winner. I also question why they would bring back some of the same players from The Beat 15 years later Cliff is a nice enough guy but they're not going to be huge player in this market wih him doing their morning show. They need another high profile morning show like London or Harvey. And need to return to their roots as an Urban.

Apparently they are competition. Both KDAY and KJLH are only 0.1 behind KRBV 12+ and I believe are beating them 25-54 where it counts.

Market was way different in 1990... A lot of people are missing that KXOL completely changed the market. They split the young Hispanic audience with Power 106. Go back and look and see how KKBT took a major hit when KXOL signed on. They had a good comp of young Hispanics listening to them as a P2. When KXOL came in, they were now the third (or even fourth choice) for hip-hop. Especially with KIIS leaning so rhythmic and KDAY pulling some numbers.

KDAY is as close to the old KKBT as you can get. Harvey in the morning, Theo and Julio... And it's still right around a 1 share.
Even if that was on a full stick - it's probably a 1.4-1.5. Nowhere near the 3 share KKBT used to be.

Your reasons for The Beat's decline are completely incorrect. The decline for The Beat started prior to Steve Harvey's final show in May 2005. Latino 96.3 had nothing to do with that as it wasn't around yet. But as soon as Harvey left, it was a free-fall for The Beat. His exit is the main reason not Latino. Then along came Latino 96.3...

You are not reading my post correctly. KDAY and KJLH are no competition to a well programmed station. Each is poorly programmed, managed and marketed. Easy to beat.

Theo and Julio, just like Big John and Cliff Winston are the PAST for an Urban in Los Angeles. Bring in new blood. You actually made my point with that statement.

The amount of signals programming contemporary music isn't that much different now than it was in 1990. KJLH (now urban ac) and KACE (gone) were both Urbans at the time. That plus The Beat (which moved quickly to become an Urban from an Urban AC) along with KIIS and a failing Power 106 at the time.

 

[mostb1]

What really needs to happen is if RO stays around, then the two formats need to merged. You can't have two 1.3s, especially with a Class B, no one buys a 1.3, it don't matter what the demo is. There's too many stations targeting a small black base, which is either in no growth mode or is declining.

KDAY should actually be on 100.3 WITH Harvey and then 93.5 can go back to serving Latinos with a underserved Spanish Ninche.

Or vice versa... 93.5's signal does a good job covering the Black audience. Until 1990, L.A. survived just fine with two Urban fm's - KJLH and KACE ... and probably could again. Especially with Power 106 serving the younger end.

In my opinion, there's no hole to be the 18-34 Black station. Power 106 is able to serve both young Blacks and Hispanics and does a fine job of it.

Josh is not wrong, we need one less Urban radio station.

There is no reason why Radio One can't do quite well - and they already demonstrated they could - if they progammed the station correctly. KJLH nor KDAY are any kind of real competiton. V won't work as an Urban AC even with Hot abandoning the black audience. The Beat quickly grew to be an Urban even challenging KIIS early on. That was one reason why The Beat was a winner. I also question why they would bring back some of the same players from The Beat 15 years later Cliff is a nice enough guy but they're not going to be huge player in this market wih him doing their morning show. They need another high profile morning show like London or Harvey. And need to return to their roots as an Urban.

Apparently they are competition. Both KDAY and KJLH are only 0.1 behind KRBV 12+ and I believe are beating them 25-54 where it counts.

Market was way different in 1990... A lot of people are missing that KXOL completely changed the market. They split the young Hispanic audience with Power 106. Go back and look and see how KKBT took a major hit when KXOL signed on. They had a good comp of young Hispanics listening to them as a P2. When KXOL came in, they were now the third (or even fourth choice) for hip-hop. Especially with KIIS leaning so rhythmic and KDAY pulling some numbers.

KDAY is as close to the old KKBT as you can get. Harvey in the morning, Theo and Julio... And it's still right around a 1 share.
Even if that was on a full stick - it's probably a 1.4-1.5. Nowhere near the 3 share KKBT used to be.

Also, I don't know why you think a full urban stick can only pull in a 1.5 share. The Beat pulled in a higher share than that of KJLH and KACE (pre-Beat numbers) combined after it hit the air and yet they still had ratings. Your math is way off from reality.

 

[radioresearcher]

If 100.3 were to flip to Urban tomorrow - and KDAY and KJLH were to stay status quo - then they'd probably be a 1.5-1.8.

I am in agreement with Josh that there's one too many Urban stations. There haven't been three since KACE went away.

Harvey leaving has definitely a huge catalyst in the failure of KKBT - we don't disagree there. Roy mentioned in an article in laradio.com that the Harvey deal is three years. So that's May 2009 on my calendar.

How can Radio One compete against that? They going to wait out that deal?

KXOL came on at the same time that Harvey left 100.3 ...  actually Harvey left around mid-May of 2005 and KXOL signed on at the end of that month.

It basically coincided. Both Harvey leaving and KXOL signing on had to do with the failure of KKBT.

Bottom line is, there is room for 2 Black targeted radio stations. KJLH will likely be a survivor because of their heritage - and one other. Something has to give.

 

[mostb1]

If 100.3 were to flip to Urban tomorrow - and KDAY and KJLH were to stay status quo - then they'd probably be a 1.5-1.8.

I am in agreement with Josh that there's one too many Urban stations. There haven't been three since KACE went away.

Harvey leaving has definitely a huge catalyst in the failure of KKBT - we don't disagree there. Roy mentioned in an article in laradio.com that the Harvey deal is three years. So that's May 2009 on my calendar.

How can Radio One compete against that? They going to wait out that deal?

KXOL came on at the same time that Harvey left 100.3 ... actually Harvey left around mid-May of 2005 and KXOL signed on at the end of that month.

It basically coincided. Both Harvey leaving and KXOL signing on had to do with the failure of KKBT.

Bottom line is, there is room for 2 Black targeted radio stations. KJLH will likely be a survivor because of their heritage - and one other. Something has to give.

You can't make a blatent statement like if V flipped to Urban they'd only score a 1.5-1.8. The Beat in the early 90's did not become a huge ratings winner just by taking from KJLH & KACE. It would have been a disaster if it had just taken from them. It took from Power and KIIS and had great TSL. Same thing can be repeated.

KJLH is a joke. Just listen to the audio processing. It's been a revolving door for so-so to poor black air talent and does little in the way of billing for a long time. Even the black community in L.A. doesn't give it much respect and has easily left the station (something that was thought would not happen by many when The Beat hit the air). You'd think Stevie would "see" that and sell it.

Steve Harvey isn't setting the L.A. radio world on fire in his second go-around. Contracts have windows. A 3-year deal means nothing if you don't perform.

Steve Harvey's leaving The Beat which was already falling in the ratings is the reason for its failure not Latino 96.3.

 

[oldiesradiousa]

Maybe Entravision should make a deal to LMA V100 and put Indie 103 there!!

 

[hotpatrick2004]

I have to ad radio one in my hometown of louisville,ky has this so called alt station but really is a active rock format with a little alt added and sounds awful they truly are clueless people at rock radio and on top of that we had this hip hop station and radio one blew it up so it would not compete with there r and b and rap station and they made hot 104(the former hip hop station) old country and now they blew that up and for over a year now they just simulcast the rock station on the frequency.What a waste of a frequency my point being radio one does not seem to be to bright in general.They make clear channel seem like geniuses.

Have a good day guys and gals.

 

[Chris_Rose]

I have to ad radio one in my hometown of louisville,ky has this so called alt station but really is a active rock format with a little alt added and sounds awful they truly are clueless people at rock radio and on top of that we had this hip hop station and radio one blew it up so it would not compete with there r and b and rap station and they made hot 104(the former hip hop station) old country and now they blew that up and for over a year now they just simulcast the rock station on the frequency.What a waste of a frequency my point being radio one does not seem to be to bright in general.They make clear channel seem like geniuses.

Have a good day guys and gals.

Yah think?

 

[Stewy]

Hey b1, researcher never loses an argument, he just loses ratings and when he has to go away things are very hard and very long in fixing. Also, to get back to what started this thread, Cash Flow, researcher is extraordinary at causing that kind of flight!

Just ignore him b1, it's only noise from the basement.

 

[ChannelFlipper]

Hey b1, researcher never loses an argument, he just loses ratings and when he has to go away things are very hard and very long in fixing. Also, to get back to what started this thread, Cash Flow, researcher is extraordinary at causing that kind of flight!

Just ignore him b1, it's only noise from the basement.

He generally goes by the name Glenn.

He has had the b1 handle for awhile, which is unusual, but then there is no one here left to ban him. So I can see where you might get confused.