Have ya'll tuned in to COIT 1260 AM today. It's Catholic Radio now. Switched over about noon today.
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Yes they finally solved all the incumbered transmitter site issues, so now KOIT-AM is gone forever. The transfer was approved back in July so they took almost five months to close.
For thoses of us around the region we are familiar with CandleStick Hill, where the KYA tower was built in 1936 (before we were born). It was replaced with a guyded tower in the 80s and 1260 Khz. uses a folded unipole type antenna. There is where wires are drapped alongside the tower so the the transmitter see a wider tower and that is one reason that KOIT-AM always had more bass response.
So gone are any dreams of KYA 1260 returning to San Francisco.
Immuculate Heart Radio is a very small company and it is not owned by the Catholic church. The company paid 14 million at closing. They were able to do this with just a few million dollars in equity and bank financing for the balance.
Although they received the title to the transmitter site land, other users have more rights to it than they do. The bigest example is the old KYA-FM 93.3 Mhz. (now SBS Broadcasting). They occupy more square feet in first floor of the building than 1260 Khz. does in the basement. Plus KOIT-FM will continue to use the tower for and STL relay.
Regardlees of any of the drawbacks, 1260 Khz. has a great punch to its signal and there are no directional pattern headaches.
I listened breifly tonight and the programing sounded smooth. Any comments on how they sound?
Newsperson
For thoses of us around the region we are familiar with CandleStick Hill, where the KYA tower was built in 1936 (before we were born). It was replaced with a guyded tower in the 80s and 1260 Khz. uses a folded unipole type antenna. There is where wires are drapped alongside the tower so the the transmitter see a wider tower and that is one reason that KOIT-AM always had more bass response.
So gone are any dreams of KYA 1260 returning to San Francisco.
Immuculate Heart Radio is a very small company and it is not owned by the Catholic church. The company paid 14 million at closing. They were able to do this with just a few million dollars in equity and bank financing for the balance.
Although they received the title to the transmitter site land, other users have more rights to it than they do. The bigest example is the old KYA-FM 93.3 Mhz. (now SBS Broadcasting). They occupy more square feet in first floor of the building than 1260 Khz. does in the basement. Plus KOIT-FM will continue to use the tower for and STL relay.
Regardlees of any of the drawbacks, 1260 Khz. has a great punch to its signal and there are no directional pattern headaches.
I listened breifly tonight and the programing sounded smooth. Any comments on how they sound?
Newsperson
newsperson said:
..but there's always Chris Edwards and that Firebaugh joke!
The KYA xmttr building was designed by noted S.F. architect Julia Morgan for Wm Randolph Hearst when he owned 12~Sixty. Morgan did a bunch of work for W.R.H. including Hearst Castle at San Simeon. Given all the bayside locations ideal for an AM site, Nurse Jeff and I have always wondered why KYA 12~Sixty was planted on the side of a hill?
I have to ask - where will KOIT-AM's listeners go for their light-rock fix? This must be a tragic day for both of them.
Lkeller said:
Indeed. I've actually listened to 1260 KOIT over the years because it's easy to get and sounds pretty good. But the station unfortunately was only briefly a decent money maker, and that was in the early to mid-1960s. Even so, it probably wasn't much of a money maker then, since the place was sold as often as some people change their shirts. I think that in its entire 81 year history (they signed on in 1926) Bonneville owned it the longest.
While I'm never happy when Jesuscasters take over a station, at least Immaculate Heart Radio has good street cred -- they're tops in honesty. The various principals in the organization take only modest salaries, and they report the lowest fundraising overhead of any Jesuscaster. Nearly 80% of their income goes directly into programming.
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=7282
I like the fact that they spend more of their time praying and less of it condemning people than any other Jesuscaster I can think of.
Still, I wish they'd play some 50s doo wop or something instead of the Rosary Hour....
C
chuckydoll
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Or ... 610 and 1260 are now religion
In that sense in marks a passage of time.
KFRC was a pop music giant from 1966 into the mid-80's. CBS bought 106.9 FM in 2006 and gave AM 610 to Family Radio out of Oakland; Family Radio moved its religious format and the KEAR call letters to what was once The Big 610.
KYA brought the Beatles to the Bay Area and was a pop station into the early 80's. AM 1260 had been simulcasting KOIT-96.5 from 12/12/1983 until noon on 12/10/2007.
Sad to say, yes. Once a 3-letter callsign is relinquished it is retired forever.
In that sense in marks a passage of time.
KFRC was a pop music giant from 1966 into the mid-80's. CBS bought 106.9 FM in 2006 and gave AM 610 to Family Radio out of Oakland; Family Radio moved its religious format and the KEAR call letters to what was once The Big 610.
KYA brought the Beatles to the Bay Area and was a pop station into the early 80's. AM 1260 had been simulcasting KOIT-96.5 from 12/12/1983 until noon on 12/10/2007.
newsperson said:
Sad to say, yes. Once a 3-letter callsign is relinquished it is retired forever.
D
doublecashkgb
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The comment that KYA only made money in the mid-60's. Is this just a theory or can you back that up with fact?
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Of course KYA made money into 1970s and 80s that is until Bonneville bought the station and ran all news (as KXLR)for 4-years and then. started to simulcast KOIT-FM.
On the other hand Bonneville most likely never made any money on 1260 Khz. until they sold it. The purchase price was 3.5 million and the sale price 24 years later was 14 million.
If you have a good attorney you can revive the 3-letter calls only if it is the same frequency and the same station as this is.
The new call letters are KSFB. Any comments on the call letters?
Also if you listen for a little while you will notice tha tthe operation is very smooth and it already sounds local to San Francisco with its recruitment ads. KSFB sounds so much better than another AM that started up earlier this year. Any comments?
Newsperson
Of course KYA made money into 1970s and 80s that is until Bonneville bought the station and ran all news (as KXLR)for 4-years and then. started to simulcast KOIT-FM.
On the other hand Bonneville most likely never made any money on 1260 Khz. until they sold it. The purchase price was 3.5 million and the sale price 24 years later was 14 million.
If you have a good attorney you can revive the 3-letter calls only if it is the same frequency and the same station as this is.
The new call letters are KSFB. Any comments on the call letters?
Also if you listen for a little while you will notice tha tthe operation is very smooth and it already sounds local to San Francisco with its recruitment ads. KSFB sounds so much better than another AM that started up earlier this year. Any comments?
Newsperson
DavidKaye said:
David, Family Radio and Salem notwithstanding, the Bay Area has remarkably very few religious voices heard for such a large metro area; the addition of IHR will only enhance the broadcast tapestry of our region. I am going to take the position that most of the radio "Jesuscasters" are highly principled and ethically run or they simply cease to exist (the majority are after all listener supported.) Further I would say IHR is not alone in the ivory tower, as EMF broadcasting (Klove Radio) is also among the finest-run broadcast centers in the country. Here's their link for comparison: http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=7640
I think the glass might be half full, at least as far as radio is concerned..
doublecashkgb said:
I have followed KYA and other stations for years, and remember reading and hearing at various times over the years that KYA wasn't exactly gushing money during those periods.
A good judge of the profitability of a radio station or any business is how often it is sold and what the sales prices are. Here's what I have on disk about KYA:
(1) December 18, 1926, Pacific Broadcasting puts KYA on the air
(2) September 13, 1929, the Federal Radio Commission granted an involuntary assignment of KYA's license to F. O. Dahlquist
(3) November 3, 1929 transferred to a new Pacific Broadcasting Corporation.
(4) 1931 NBC acquires the Pacific Broadcasting Corporation
(5) 1934 KYA sold to William Randolph Hearst's San Francisco Examiner
(6) June 24, 1942, Hearst sells KYA to Palo Alto Radio Station, Inc. for $50,000
(7) October 10, 1945 KYA's licensee, Palo Alto Radio Station Inc. was sold to New York Post publisher Dorothy Schiff Thackrey for $348,800.
(8) April 13, 1950 KYA's licensee, Palo Alto Radio Station, Inc., acquired by J. Elroy McCaw and John D. Keating for $155,000
(9) 1951 KYA sold to by Radio Station KYA, Inc.
(10) May 1, 1958, KYA sold to to Golden State Broadcasters, Inc., for $1-million (the price included the permit for proposed KYA-FM).
(11) September 3, 1959. KYA sold to Bartell Broadcasters
(12) August 7, 1962. Churchill Broadcasting Corporation, acquires KYA and KYA-FM for $1.25-million
(13) August 24, 1966 KYA sold to Avco Broadcasting Corporation for $4.4-million
(14) October 20, 1977 KYA AM & FM & WRTH sold to Seattle's King Radio Broadcasting Company for $4.0 million
(15) December 13, 1983 KYA is sold to Bonneville International for $3.5-million
So, it appears that the biggest price increase happened during the four Churchill years, when KYA's value went from $1.25 to $4.4 million. This would indicate that these were KYA's best years, along with the 1942-45 years under Palo Alto Radio Station, Inc. Notice all the backward slides of the sales prices.
sloux said:
Let's see...Jesuscasters in the Greater Bay area can now be heard on 610, 710, 770, 1100, 1190, 1220, 1260, and 1640. That's 8 stations, unduplicated (no simulcasting).
I'm not convinced that most Jesuscasters are ethical or highly principled at all. As for the contention that they would "simply cease to exist" if this were not so, perhaps you're too young to remember Jim Bakker and the PTL Club, Pat Robertson and Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN). He turned a non-profit religious organization into a profit-making parallel company called "Continental Broadcasting Network" and later renamed it to "Family Channel" and sold it, pocketing the money himself.
There is a certain Bay Area Jesuscaster I have done work for in the past. Not only do the staff not listen to the station in the office, most of the staffers just roll their eyes when they do hear some of the programming being put on by the station. While they speak nicely of the various ministers with programs on the station, it is clear that this is just a job and that they don't consider it any kind of ministry at all.
As for K-Love, I have no love for them. They're taking every possible FM channel for their repeaters, making it nearly impossible for non-comms to operate. North of the Bay Area, K-Love has plenty of repeaters, and yet they insist on using 91.9 thereby wiping out KALW's fine programming north of SF.
In added response to earlier posts, if memory serves me coorect,
Paula Kelly and the excellent J. Parker Antrim were the last K Y A
deejays on that December 12, 1983 night (which I have the
aircheck buried in my archives somewhere), before it became KOIT
at midnight on the 13th...
J.P.A. is retired and happy in SFO, but where is Paula these days?
She was good at KYA and the other oldies stations, too...
--dj jay
Paula Kelly and the excellent J. Parker Antrim were the last K Y A
deejays on that December 12, 1983 night (which I have the
aircheck buried in my archives somewhere), before it became KOIT
at midnight on the 13th...
J.P.A. is retired and happy in SFO, but where is Paula these days?
She was good at KYA and the other oldies stations, too...
--dj jay
djj said:
The final KYA 12~Sixty aircheck is available on the Bay Area Museum web site http://www.sfradiomuseum.com/audio/kya/kya_1970s-series.shtml The jingle montage is interesting, but you'll find a lot more KYA jingles and airchecks on the same site. Guess Bonneville didn't think anyone was listening to 12~Sixty after midnight as it took them forever to put audio on the carrier. It wasn't the light rock most people think KOIT plays, but the old Elevator Music format. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ on both AM & FM!
Dr. Akbar said:
I phoned her that night and suggested that it would be fun to hear all the jingles, given that nobody would be able to play them on the air again. She asked if I really thought anybody would really care about hearing the jingles. I said that not only would they be listening, most of them would be running tapes of the montage!
They ran only the jingles that were currently being used by KYA. While these included some of the greatest such as the top of the hour ID (the same one with the string flourish KMBY used to use), they were only a small part of the collection.
What is fascinating is that KYA had so many different kinds of jingles and yet we probably don't think of them as being totally different:
(1) the "You're on 1260" WABC re-sings, (2) the "Radio KYA 1260" re-arrangement of the generic P-A-M-S jingle, (3) the "KYA Radio 1260" jingles, and (4) the "duh-dum-duh K-Y-A". And this doesn't begin to include all the jingle changes such as Grid that happened in the 70s.
They're each melodically different. This is a big contrast to KFRC, which only ran two versions during its top-40 days.
Madmansam said:
It doesn't matter. They're high-powered rimshots clearly designed to get into the Bay Area, especially KCBC. Here, look at the maps on Radio-Locator:
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KFIA&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=KCBC&service=AM&status=L&hours=D
The Bay Area has enough Jesus service, thank you very much. How about Islamic and Jewish stations?....oh wait, Jews do not proselytize -- or need to.
DavidKaye said:
Whoa there David, I guess I struck a nerve. Your input is rather conspiratorial and certainly cynical; I suppose nothing I will write will change that. But I would have to agree with madmansam that you are including other service areas in your analysis in a manner I had not intended. I was indirectly suggesting you'd be hard-pressed to come up with many religious stations broadcasting out of the traditional SF center of our community.
I made a point to emphasize religious radio is far less encumbered by the well-deserved stigma of religious television. I am not too young to remember the unfortunate religous TV castmemebers such as Jim Baker, et al. We are in substantial agreement there. Those characters violated the trust of their viewers and their viewer-supported empires were largely dismantled as a result. So let's stick with radio in the discussion.
My point remains that it is remarkable how few religous voices are heard in the 4th market. Your irrational criticism of Klove Radio (becaause it interferes with another signal you enjoy) ignores the fact Christian-oriented music is nearly impossible to obtain in this market without the cobled-together network of translators with overlapping signals in order to provide continuity. It may not be what the FCC framers intended for the non-com band, but it is serving the public "interest, convenience and need" which could not otherwise be afforded in this market. And EMF is doing it in a upstanding way, a sentiment you brought up regarding IHR.
I infer from your comments that you think I would be against a diversity in religous programming, e.g. Jewish or Muslim programming. I am not. (I believe several Jewish groups purchase airtime on a couple of the talkers from time to time already.) The diversity principle may seem a little too textbook and Polyanna, but why not include these voices? There are so many strong signals in our community that offer a high degree of similiarity. If the economic market will bear new/diverse broadcast voices, a greater segment of our community will enjoy the spectrum, and the wider community is given the opportunity to observe these groups and understand the ideals which they hold. It's all part of the tapestry of the spectrum which belongs to all of us.
Well, 91.9 is not a repeater, it is the legacy flagship station of the network, KLVR, Santa Rosa. Some of the engineers on these boards could enlighten us as to the lattitude the FCC grants on the source signal of a translator, but in the old days the repeater actually repeated the main station's signal. Perhaps the government allows a program signal off one of the birds now instead of a repeated air signal, I don't know. But it would seem counter-intuitive to allow a translator without the "origination" station.DavidKaye said:
HAIL MARY......
WOW! A station that had been simulcasting FM for 24 YEARS! That HAS to be a record!
Up here in the Northwest, we have KBLE 1050 Seattle and more recently, KTTO 970 in Spokane that flipped to Catholic. It seems the Catholic stations here are affiliates of EWTN Radio, is the new KSFB?
WOW! A station that had been simulcasting FM for 24 YEARS! That HAS to be a record!
Up here in the Northwest, we have KBLE 1050 Seattle and more recently, KTTO 970 in Spokane that flipped to Catholic. It seems the Catholic stations here are affiliates of EWTN Radio, is the new KSFB?
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