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CBC Radio 2 and Espace Musique Move Away from Classical

How are Radio 2's ratings since it gave up its mostly Classical music format? Is Album Alternative catching on? Have the protesters who are angry about the reduction in Classical music hours now given up?

When Radio 2 flipped, Espace Musique continued to be mostly classical. Now I notice, looking at the Espace Musique website that it's now mostly Jazz from 5pm to 6am. And 6am to 5pm is mostly described as "eclectique." The only classical music is from 8 to 10pm. Wow, that's even less classical music than one can hear on Radio 2.

How did that go over in the French radio community?

And do Montreal and Ottawa still have their French language commercial classical stations? The one in Montreal had been ranked the #10 station in that market some years ago.

At least Toronto classical listeners still have CFMX, one of the most successful commercial classical stations in North America.



Gregg
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Gregg,

I am one of those folks who were greatly disappointed when CBC wiped classical almost entirely off of Radio Two and dropped the last couple of hours from Radio One. One of the coolest things about visiting Canada was that when you listened to the CBC you knew you were in a civilized country. I used to lay awake at nights listening to That Time of the Night and Northern Lights, not to mention Between the Covers. I used to tune in CBL on 740, and later CBW 990 when they took CBL off the air (that was a sad day for me too).

I thought there was going to be some attempt to repair the damage to Radio Two but last summer when I was visiting Detroit I found nothing on Two that I wanted to hear. Fantastic signal though; I could hear them for many miles driving west across Michigan.

I think the future of radio is on the Internet. I listen to CFMX online all the time. I used to hear them on satellite until Bell Express Vu eliminated the free channels (you can't subscribe outside of Canada...).

If you enjoy classical music, try WFMT.com for something a little different. This is not "easy listening", but you might enjoy it.
 
Gregg said:
At least Toronto classical listeners still have CFMX, one of the most successful commercial classical stations in North America.

Actually, Classical 96.3 is now CFMZ.
It is still known simply as "Classical 96three"
but the difference is that sister station Classical 103.1 in Coburg has increased their local content to better serve that community, and they will continue to be known as CFMX there.

"the Cobourg station now originates 24 hours per week of locally-oriented talk and spoken word programming.[3] The Cobourg station retains the original CFMX call sign, while the Toronto station uses CFMZ.[4]"


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CFMZ-FM
 
The French commercial station in Ottawa applied to drop the specialty condition on their license last year and it was approved. Around Christmas time the station changed to Planete 97.1 and is a lite rock station. Kind of like the French version of 98.5 the Jewel.

Before the flip it was Couler 97.1 and a mix of Jazz and Classical.
 
When ever Espace Musique makes a change, Radio 2 seems to follow... The Francophone service first made changes to their line up in '03, when they dropped a nearly all classic format for one which included blocks of classical, chanson, jazz & world. They've fiddled with it, until they've come the current state of affairs, since June '08, dropping everything and playing mostly 'eclectic' through out the day (I see they've just fiddled with it yet again...with repeat programming and jazz overnight, instead of running the Galaxie stream).

Having said that, I find my-self listening to Espace Musique far more often then Radio 2, which seems to have gone 'alt-country', much of the time. When I do listen to Radio 2, they keep reminding me that it's 'commercial free'... Click.

~BG
 
For years, I was one of "CBC Stereo's" biggest fans in the US - even tho' I lived far from its coverage areas at the time. Used to visit my parents in Toledo and record the Windsor station at night on cassette and take them back to California to listen. Never found anything that didn't grab me - with top notch announcers and compelling music. Even the really wierd stuff at 3am. And Nightlines -- oh, how I miss it and David Wisdom. Even Max Ferguson on Saturday mornings was fun and make sense.

Now I live where the Radio 2 signal comes in better than most of my local FMs, in clear stereo (albeit at a low volume) and I still can't listen for ten seconds. The mix of classical crossover music with the standard fare that worked on Disc Drive and elsewhere before the "old folks" were all fired seems to be a lost art with the people who are now running things. The new Radio 2 sounds to me like a random sort of format featuring irritating beats and music mixes that sit as well as chocolate covered pickles in your stomach. The music and talk seems shallow and unnecessary. And the DJs (they're really not personalities or announcers, just DJs, in my opinion) seem to be particularly annoying, cloying, smug and boring - and, no kidding, everytime I happen to listen now, any reference to a classical work they might still be announcing seems to include a reference to a movie soundtrack or cartoon where the young DJ first heard it. Guess someone thinks we're all dunces. Or took the "This Hour Has 22 Minutes" spoofs a little too seriously.

I think I'm still going through post-traumatic depression from it, actually.

I, too, have been a decision maker at local stations and changed programming, which disappointed loyal fans to music shows that ratings showed drew away more people than it attracted. I, too, have experimented with "eclectic" music formats, which included and excluded classical music and other "artsy" fare in the mix. But what I hear on Radio 2 is just such a let down from the depth of what the service used to be that I wonder who it really does appeal to. I don't think you can call it "AAA" alternative music. It's not "lounge" or "new jazz" or even fine arts with an edge, since so little seems to have lyrics that get my attention or instrumentation or the magic that makes a listener want to hear more.

I can also get a weaker signal from Espace Musique where I live (so it doesn't come in on every radio in the house), and while I wish they'd forego the uptempo and rock-alt selections they've been getting into lately, they do seem to have an idea of how to sequence more of the eclecticism they program. Just would like more classical and downtempo music in the evening past 9pm (seems to drift away from classical after 9pm on the west coast, unless that's changed lately again.) The French still have a sensitivity that the Radio 2 folks need to learn.

Otherwise, as an educated person with a discerning palate for music, Radio 2 comes across to me now as the aural equivalent of carnival food - cotton candy, corn dogs, and deep fried candy bars. Sure, there's an audience for that somewhere. Isn't that what the commericial stations are already doing anyway? By contrast, a year ago and earlier, Radio 2 came across as satisfying as a good bouillabaise stew, with warm sourdough, a perfectly paired wine, and often included a dessert that you will long remember. Not any more.

I'm hungry for radio with depth and a flair for presentation, and no longer getting it from anyone on my dial anymore. Including the CBC. And that, to me, is a crying shame.
 
Well put, Goldilocks. You may want to vent your frustrations here ~> http://www.cbc.ca/contact/
CBC keeps fiddling with their schedule, so obviously they must be reacting to input...mind you, which way they're heading, is another matter.

Radio 2 faithful continue to comment and lament on the CBC site...in spite of measures being taken to fragment the opposition to the changes, by fragmenting the 'comments' section. You may sign up and post your concerns here ~> http://www.cbc.ca/radio2/

~BG
 
Have you seen the new tv ads for CBC2?
"Anything else is just radio"
Yep. That's what they say now!
 
I'm having trouble trusting the credibility of CBC's revampted news programs. The kung fu sound effects every time a graphic changes, and the "earnest" conversations with "experts" come off just as plastic as any of a thousand newscasts you'll find on commercial TV in the States. I always appreciated CBC's international news coverage, and the depth of its reporting, and what used to be its superb writing and content. Dangling shiny objects and making woosh woosh and vrroom vrroom sounds kinda gets in the way. Same for the edits with about two dozens images per second in the promos.

Jeezh. I don't want to come down with epilepsy watching the TV. CBC is looking a lot like the crappy little cable and minor broadcast networks like the CW and MyTV and A&E/Versus/Bravo/Food/Travel/Biography/TBS/TNT/MTV/etc etc etc now. Feels like the only public broadcasting and depth left on CBC is in the children's programming! Can I get an Amen here?
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
I'm having trouble trusting the credibility of CBC's revampted news programs. The kung fu sound effects every time a graphic changes, and the "earnest" conversations with "experts" come off just as plastic as any of a thousand newscasts you'll find on commercial TV in the States. I always appreciated CBC's international news coverage, and the depth of its reporting, and what used to be its superb writing and content. Dangling shiny objects and making woosh woosh and vrroom vrroom sounds kinda gets in the way. Same for the edits with about two dozens images per second in the promos.

Jeezh. I don't want to come down with epilepsy watching the TV. CBC is looking a lot like the crappy little cable and minor broadcast networks like the CW and MyTV and A&E/Versus/Bravo/Food/Travel/Biography/TBS/TNT/MTV/etc etc etc now. Feels like the only public broadcasting and depth left on CBC is in the children's programming! Can I get an Amen here?

Amen!

And regarding CBC's children's programming, the 'depth' can also be applied to the cuts, which have affected local producers of Canadian children's shows. Certain studios, with which I've dealt with, have been gutted due to CBC's programming cuts.

~BG
 
Gregg said:
How are Radio 2's ratings since it gave up its mostly Classical music format? Is Album Alternative catching on? Have the protesters who are angry about the reduction in Classical music hours now given up?

"Toronto radio is about to get a reality check. We're about to get a clearer, more accurate look at who's listening to what stations and how often."
"The old honour system radio diary system is dead. You can no longer listen to EZ-Rock and claim you were tuned into CBC Radio. On a daily basis, true data is being collected from these 9000 peeps. The truth will soon be known."

Source: http://www.torontomike.com/2009/09/portable_people_meter_ppm_tech.html

It'll soon be very interesting to see what the true results over the next little while will be...
 
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