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CBS needs to drop talk on 1210 WPHT

You can talk about "right wing talking points" all you want, but everything you say is the same we've heard for years. Just because Congress lacks the will to do anything about it, the American public is on to the scam. It's only a matter of time before the taxpayers stop subsidizing public media.


Except for one small thing: There was an act of Congress passed in 1967 that set the whole thing up. It's the law. You can dislike certain laws all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's the law. Taxpayers can't stop following the law. So there is no impasse, and there is no bias. It's all something you've made up.

This is all off topic, so let's let this thread return to the guy in Philly who's mad at his local talk station.
 
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To many people who take the letter of the law seriously, that question is a matter of principle. In any situation where the amount of tax revenues should be given to businesses is zero, then any amount of money, no matter how much or how little, is to much. When the proper amount to be given is none, then "some" is too much.

Hoss, I grew up in the Southwestern part of the country where society had a "no tolerance" mentality... because the Baptists of that era decided that is the way life should be. (The late newspaper columnist Molly Ivans found a name for them when we got into the first Iraq war and our awareness changed, and our vocabulary got expanded. She began calling them "The Shiite Baptists".)

I've lived in a "no tolerance" civilization, and there is no way you are going to take me back to that kind of life. We do not in this country intend to run a dictatorship where who ever won the last election gets to name all the no-tolerance issues.

So you don't like government sending tax money to businesses? Well, when they quit subsidizing corporate business jets, and when they quit subsidizing the $60,000 pick-up trucks parked at my local supermarket, and when they quit having these bidding wars where people move their factories and their corporate headquarters to whatever state will bribe them with the most cash, then come back and we can talk about the chicken-feed that gets spilled on public broadcasting.

And now we return you to our regularly scheduled broadcast...... er... forum topic.
 
Well, when they quit subsidizing corporate business jets, and when they quit subsidizing the $60,000 pick-up trucks parked at my local supermarket, and when they quit having these bidding wars where people move their factories and their corporate headquarters to whatever state will bribe them with the most cash, then come back and we can talk about the chicken-feed that gets spilled on public broadcasting.

Just an FYI, you know who's paying for my trip to the NAB next week? The taxpayers of the US. I'm sure I'm not the only one. As they say at PBS: Thank You.
 


I'm sorry some of the threads from two and three years back on this site are not easily accessible. I guess we are going to have to dig out the numbers all over again.

What percentage of the operating costs of PBS and NPR and all the local stations is actually paid for with taxpayer subsidies?

There are some rural area, low-population density markets where you can come up with a station budget that shows significant, measurable government funding, but people who keep stirring the conversation-pot on this topic belong to the same school-of-logic as the folks who are convinced we can balance the federal budget by eliminating government funding of eye-brow mascara for the gnats on the donkeys that people ride on the trails in The Grand Canyon.

Tell us how much money the Federal government puts into "public broadcasting" each year, and tell us what the total budget of public broadcasting is.

I know it's not a lot of their operating budget. Which is why they can do without it.
 
Except for one small thing: There was an act of Congress passed in 1967 that set the whole thing up. It's the law. You can dislike certain laws all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's the law. Taxpayers can't stop following the law. So there is no impasse, and there is no bias. It's all something you've made up.

This is all off topic, so let's let this thread return to the guy in Philly who's mad at his local talk station.

The impasse isn't in Congress. It's here. No amount of facts are ever going to change your mind that your gravy train is corrupt, so why bother? Enjoy your trip to the NAB while those of us who have to actually work for a living pay for it. We're too busy actually doing radio to go to conventions.
 
I know it's not a lot of their operating budget. Which is why they can do without it.

I may be the only person in the world who has this view, but smart public broadcasters (and smart community leaders) always want the government to put at least 3 to 8% of the cost of public broadcasting into the pot. It is a great way to say no to corporate underwriters who want better "copy", a great way to say no to politicians who want news slanted their way, "I'm sorry but we can't change our policy to do what you are asking. Since we receive some government funding, we are not allowed to do what you want."

And I suspect a significant portion of the public and listening audience see it that way too. Sometimes the government rules are a pain, but sometimes they get the monkey off your back.... including local board members of your station.

Taking away all government funding would lead to taking away all government curbs on what you can and cannot do, and public broadcasting would eventually become 3rd rate crap like you hear on about 40 to 50% of commercial stations today.
 
I may be the only person in the world who has this view, but smart public broadcasters (and smart community leaders) always want the government to put at least 3 to 8% of the cost of public broadcasting into the pot.

Those of us who studied the law can tell you that regular broadcasters support public broadcasting so they don't have to play folk or classical music and other less commercial formats.
 


I may be the only person in the world who has this view, but smart public broadcasters (and smart community leaders) always want the government to put at least 3 to 8% of the cost of public broadcasting into the pot. It is a great way to say no to corporate underwriters who want better "copy", a great way to say no to politicians who want news slanted their way, "I'm sorry but we can't change our policy to do what you are asking. Since we receive some government funding, we are not allowed to do what you want."

And I suspect a significant portion of the public and listening audience see it that way too. Sometimes the government rules are a pain, but sometimes they get the monkey off your back.... including local board members of your station.

Taking away all government funding would lead to taking away all government curbs on what you can and cannot do, and public broadcasting would eventually become 3rd rate crap like you hear on about 40 to 50% of commercial stations today.

God forbid they have to compete in the market with the rest of us, right?

My station and I do just fine without tax dollars and we don't have to "slant news". In fact I told a well known politician that very thing recently when she accused our news department of attacking her for simply running an AP story about her.
 
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God forbid they have to compete in the market with the rest of us, right?

The reason they get the tax money is so they DON'T compete. If you were a station GM, you'd understand. And that's why they don't slant their news. They're not playing the same game, nor with the same rules. The mistake you make is trying to see them through your eyes and experience. They aren't competing in the market with the rest of you. Their competition is the Red Cross and Harvard University.
 
God forbid they have to compete in the market with the rest of us, right?

My station and I do just fine without tax dollars and we don't have to "slant news". In fact I told a well known politician that very thing recently when she accused our news department of attacking her for simply running an AP story about her.

Most commercial stations I've listened to don't slant the news, they simply don't broadcast any news.
 
Most commercial stations I've listened to don't slant the news, they simply don't broadcast any news.

And the ones with news departments don't slant either. It's a false narrative put forth for years by the public radio bunch that news departments are somehow slaves to the sponsors, which is their excuse for taking money from us to pay for their trips to conventions.

I'd put the news staffs at every station I've worked at up against any public radio hack any day of the week. They're fair, honest and for damn sure not slanted.
 
It's a false narrative put forth for years by the public radio bunch that news departments are somehow slaves to the sponsors,

Ha, ha, ha. No one in public radio has ever criticized news gathering of commercial radio. If you have one example, I'd love to see it. In fact, the criticism mainly goes in the other direction, from people like Jim Farley VP of WTOP in Washington, who continually complains about public radio. But as I said, public radio stations don't see themselves as competing with other radio stations at all. In fact, it's not uncommon for several public radio stations in the same markets to carry the same NPR news shows at the same time. That would never be allowed in commercial radio.

I'd put the news staffs at every station I've worked at up against any public radio hack any day of the week.

Most of the news people in public radio once worked at commercial stations, until they were laid off in cost-cutting moves. In most markets, sadly the ONLY radio stations with local news staffs are non-commercial.
 
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