It has nothing to do with my political views, and I'm not the one calling people liars. Point the dirty end of the stick elsewhere.
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It has nothing to do with my political views, and I'm not the one calling people liars. Point the dirty end of the stick elsewhere.
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The fact that you don't realize that the exact same thing happens on the other side is what makes you delusional. It's just on TV instead of radio. Jon Stewart? Colbert? Bill Maher? That's not throwing red meat to left wing nuts?
No, with left wing nuts you throw tofu, preferably organic.
No, with left wing nuts you throw tofu, preferably organic.
Good point. Good point.
I'm not the one calling people liars.
When you lie, people call you a liar. If it bothers you, don't lie.
But when you bring up something that has nothing to do with news in a news forum, then say someone whose title is VP of Fundraising isn't a sales guy, and then say it's "systematic" of the rest of the company, I call you a liar. And so far, you have said nothing to make me or anyone else believe otherwise. The fact that you even brought up this three year old video shows you for what you are. You're either a liar or a troll. Which do you prefer?
The fact that you don't realize that the exact same thing happens on the other side is what makes you delusional. It's just on TV instead of radio. Jon Stewart? Colbert? Bill Maher? That's not throwing red meat to left wing nuts?
They do COMEDY shows. C-O-M-E-D-Y. The fact that two of those shows are on "Comedy Central" and all 3 of those guys are "stand up comedians" should help you identify this.
Right wing talk shows on Fox news and talkradio present themselves as straight news and information shows. I know conservatives generally have no sense of humor, but you must realize the difference between the two.
When you lie, people call you a liar. If it bothers you, don't lie.
You should probably take some of your own advice for a change. I know it hurts your little feelings that someone in this place finally is challenging you on your BS, but enough of the name calling. All you do is deflect any proof you're presented with.
They do COMEDY shows. C-O-M-E-D-Y. The fact that two of those shows are on "Comedy Central" and all 3 of those guys are "stand up comedians" should help you identify this.
Right wing talk shows on Fox news and talkradio present themselves as straight news and information shows. I know conservatives generally have no sense of humor, but you must realize the difference between the two.
Then why do so many people on your side of the aisle turn to these comedy guys for their news? Opinion shows are opinion shows. Hannity is no different from Jon Stewart (or Maddow/Chris Matthews, etc.) other than the lack of attempts to crack jokes. It's all OPINION programming. The only people who can't seem to tell the difference are folks like you.
I know it hurts your little feelings that someone in this place finally is challenging you on your BS
Not much of a challenge, really.
Then why do so many people on your side of the aisle turn to these comedy guys for their news? Opinion shows are opinion shows. Hannity is no different from Jon Stewart (or Maddow/Chris Matthews, etc.) other than the lack of attempts to crack jokes. It's all OPINION programming. The only people who can't seem to tell the difference are folks like you.
First of all, it's not "my side" of the aisle, but anyone who calls out conservative media for being dishonest is automatically labeled as being "librul!" I expected it, believe me. If the right is anything, it's predictable.
Secondly, I've talked to enough newstalk listeners to know that they think of Rush, Hannity, Levin, etc as JOURNALISTS, not opinion guys. And if you think "well, that's the fault of the listener for misunderstanding their role", I urge you to listen to Hannity's words outside of his talking points---because on more than one occasion I have heard him REFER TO HIMSELF AS A JOURNALIST--- and I hardly even listen, but I've heard it several times.
Colbert, Stewart, et al are clearly known as COMEDY guys. Again the hint: "COMEDY CENTRAL". Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, etc, air on stations that proudly proclaim themselves as "NEWStalk" this or that. Hannity is also on Fox NEWS. See a difference yet?
As far as Maddow and Matthews? Yes they're left-leaning, but nobody's even going to them for news---look at their ratings.
The irony of you debating "bias" here is comedy gold.
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For the sake of clarity, the general term "news/talk" means talk about the news. There are no networks on television, nor are there any news/talk radio stations, that only broadcast nothing but news 24/7, except possible CNN Headline news. All of the other broadcast outlets air different shows through the course of their broadcast day. Some of those shows are attempts at objective news reporting, others are expressions of editorial opinion about the news that was reported.
Expecting to find no bias or slanting of the content on every single moment any broadcasting channel is on the air is a fool's expectation. But so is a failure to recognize the difference between "hard" news reporting shows and editorial commentary shows.
Granted, on most news/talk radio stations, the "news" portion is often little more than the modern equivalent of a few minutes of old school "rip & read".
Here's an exercise for the people who cannot fathom the fact that radio stations (and their TV counterparts) air a mixture of news shows and opinion shows. Find an old-fashioned paper newspaper. They probably still exist, but you might have to do some searching to find one. Now, notice how the front few pages of the paper have news stories, but inside the paper you'll find the sports pages, the comics section, reviews of entertainment events, and many other topics. Radio is sometimes a little bit like that.
News/talk radio has news shows and it also has opinion shows. The opinion shows are usually 55 minutes out of the hour, and the news shows are only 5 minutes out of the hour, but that doesn't change the fact that news is news and editorial content about the news is editorial content about the news.
Expecting to find no bias or slanting of the content on every single moment any broadcasting channel is on the air is a fool's expectation. But so is a failure to recognize the difference between "hard" news reporting shows and editorial commentary shows.
Granted, on most news/talk radio stations, the "news" portion is often little more than the modern equivalent of a few minutes of old school "rip & read".
Here's an exercise for the people who cannot fathom the fact that radio stations (and their TV counterparts) air a mixture of news shows and opinion shows. Find an old-fashioned paper newspaper. They probably still exist, but you might have to do some searching to find one. Now, notice how the front few pages of the paper have news stories, but inside the paper you'll find the sports pages, the comics section, reviews of entertainment events, and many other topics. Radio is sometimes a little bit like that.
News/talk radio has news shows and it also has opinion shows. The opinion shows are usually 55 minutes out of the hour, and the news shows are only 5 minutes out of the hour, but that doesn't change the fact that news is news and editorial content about the news is editorial content about the news.
The irony of you debating "bias" here is comedy gold.
Considering you have no idea who I am, the idea of this being ironic shows how uninformed you are.
Opinion is opinion. Hannity, Maddow, Colbert, Stewart, they're all doing OPINION media. Bad jokes being thrown in means absolutely NOTHING. We've even had major political figures (Sebilius) admit that her own kids get their NEWS from Comedy Central. It doesn't mean they're doing news programming. These are all OPINION shows. They don't claim to be news, despite your claims.
Considering you have no idea who I am, the idea of this being ironic shows how uninformed you are.
Opinion is opinion. Hannity, Maddow, Colbert, Stewart, they're all doing OPINION media. Bad jokes being thrown in means absolutely NOTHING. We've even had major political figures (Sebilius) admit that her own kids get their NEWS from Comedy Central. It doesn't mean they're doing news programming. These are all OPINION shows. They don't claim to be news, despite your claims.
Hannity has called himself a journalist. That only bolsters the impression that many of the low-info viewers have that what he says is fact, not opinion. Spin that any way you want.
No matter what you say, the pretenses ARE different.
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Hannity has called himself a journalist. That only bolsters the impression that many of the low-info viewers have that what he says is fact, not opinion. Spin that any way you want.
No matter what you say, the pretenses ARE different.
Being a "journalist" means performing a certain job function. One might say, "I am a plumber", but that doesn't mean that the only thing one does in life is to connect pipes. Hannity has the skills and training to work as a journalist. That doesn't mean that every word that he utters is journalism.
Hannity has the skills and training to work as a journalist.
He dropped out of college, and never trained anywhere as a journalist. He hosted a talk show in college. That was his first training as a talk show host. If he has skills as a journalist, they must have been self-taught. He's never been a reporter anywhere as far as I can see. If writing books makes you a journalist, then he's a journalist. But he's never covered stories that were assigned to him by someone else.
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He dropped out of college, and never trained anywhere as a journalist. He hosted a talk show in college. That was his first training as a talk show host. If he has skills as a journalist, they must have been self-taught. He's never been a reporter anywhere as far as I can see. If writing books makes you a journalist, then he's a journalist. But he's never covered stories that were assigned to him by someone else.
Then you clearly can't see far enough.
Being a "journalist" means performing a certain job function. One might say, "I am a plumber", but that doesn't mean that the only thing one does in life is to connect pipes. Hannity has the skills and training to work as a journalist. That doesn't mean that every word that he utters is journalism.
With all due respect, over the last 30 years I have worked in many newstalk radio stations around the country, both large and major market. I have known many journalists in print, TV and radio. Your explanation of how Sean Hannity, on any level, can be considered a "journalist" only proves that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Sean Hannity doesn't approach ANY subject on air with even the mildest degree of objectivity. He ALWAYS looks for the conservatives-are-right, liberals-are-wrong angle---to everything. That approach breeds dishonesty.
A journalist? Oy vey. Edward R. Murrow just rolled in his grave.
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With all due respect, over the last 30 years I have worked in many newstalk radio stations around the country, both large and major market. I have known many journalists in print, TV and radio. Your explanation of how Sean Hannity, on any level, can be considered a "journalist" only proves that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
Sean Hannity doesn't approach ANY subject on air with even the mildest degree of objectivity. He ALWAYS looks for the conservatives-are-right, liberals-are-wrong angle---to everything. That approach breeds dishonesty.
A journalist? Oy vey. Edward R. Murrow just rolled in his grave.
One, I did not say he was a good journalist, or especially skilled at it. Two, I did not say he was currently working as a journalist. In point of fact, I said, "That doesn't mean that every word that he utters is journalism." You have described his current gig very accurately. That only proves that he isn't currently employed as an unbiased reporter.
I studied journalism in college, though I never had any intention of being a news reporter. "Journalism" describes a particular skill set. It doesn't include restrictions on what purposes one uses those skills for. At the time I was going to college, a degree in journalism was well-regarded by advertising agencies as good training for being a copy-writer. I did spend some of my life as a professional advertising copywriter, and was very good at writing effective, business-to-business direct mail ad copy. My work was extremely slanted and biased in favor of the products I was tasked with selling. I was good at writing persuasive prose, in large part because of my journalism training. That same training also came in handy when I was preaching on Sundays and had to write effective sermons.
Everyone might also find it interesting to learn that the concept of "unbiased journalism" was nothing more than a marketing gimmick that Joseph Pulitzer came up with in his newspaper circulation wars with rival publisher William Randolph Hearst. It is not really a long-standing tradition, and has never in the history of news reporting ever been all that common. If anyone wants to go on about "unbiased journalism", they should be careful to include the word "unbiased". The word "journalism" by itself doesn't automatically mean unbiased. That's something many speakers imply, of listeners infer, but it's not part of the true meaning of the word.
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He dropped out of college, and never trained anywhere as a journalist. He hosted a talk show in college. That was his first training as a talk show host. If he has skills as a journalist, they must have been self-taught. He's never been a reporter anywhere as far as I can see. If writing books makes you a journalist, then he's a journalist. But he's never covered stories that were assigned to him by someone else.
Not only this but the only other job he's ever had was hanging drywall. He's not a journalist and no one in their right mind sees him as such. It's an OPINION show.
Everyone might also find it interesting to learn that the concept of "unbiased journalism" was nothing more than a marketing gimmick that Joseph Pulitzer came up with in his newspaper circulation wars with rival publisher William Randolph Hearst. It is not really a long-standing tradition, and has never in the history of news reporting ever been all that common.
I've been telling people this for years. Until the early 1900s, newspapers were generally bought and sold by the politicians they covered.
ALL media is biased in some way. Some of the bias (like local radio reporters) is so minuscule as to not be noticed. Some of it (like opinion shows) is so great that EVERYONE notices. Neither one is BAD. But you have to take each source for what it is.
Sean Hannity doesn't approach ANY subject on air with even the mildest degree of objectivity. He ALWAYS looks for the conservatives-are-right, liberals-are-wrong angle---to everything. That approach breeds dishonesty.
Sort of like exactly what you're doing now.
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