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CBS News Re: Globe, talks to Carr

I saw it on 60 mins.

So, let me get this straigt... If you force your employer into oblivion, you've won?

HOW?

Mr. Carr, you've just forced The Boston Globe out of bussiness, what are you going to do now>
"I'd be going to Disneyworld, but I can't afford it, because I have no job and no pension left..."

Such a deal!
 
Maybe Pat Purcell will buy the Globe and merge the two papers. I'm visualizing a scene in the sports department of the new Boston Herald-Globe: "Gerry [Callahan]? Meet your new cubicle-mate, Dan [Shaughnessy] ..." ;)

I think Howie is saying maybe the day of the print newspaper is simply numbered--he could conceivably still write for a "Boston Herald online"--and he's saying that hey, if both of them gotta shut down at least the Globe shuts down (print edition) first...
 
I would not say that Howie Carr forced the Globe out of business. Certainly the Boston Herald has had a tough time or two in it's lifetime. Maybe the tears shed at the time when the Herald was in trouble were not as large as the Globe's. A lot has caught up to the Globe through the years, and now it is certainly not business as usual anymore. The report was pretty balanced, and who better to represent an opposing viewpoint than Howie Carr.
 
Paying a billion for the paper doesn't help, nor does the availability of the Net, or some constituencies objecting to the Globe's coverage or focus on certain issues.
Just heard WBZ give results of a poll: for "which paper would you prefer to have in Boston if Boston only had one", the Globe won out 52-48. They aired 3 sound bites from Globe boosters, 2 from Herald fans (along the lines of "I used to buy the Globe years ago, but..." and "goodbye Globe!")

The Globe may well keep publishing a print edition but for how long? Herald also not exactly out of danger
(they also are reacting to higher costs, boosting the daily paper's price to a buck in a week)
The Phoenix's Don't Quote Me mentions how the Globe's Charlie Pierce objected to the Herald seeming to
take delight in the Globe's woes; a Herald worker they talked to said that the Globe was the same way
with regards to the Herald in the early 80s, though.
Wikipedia's entry on the Herald says that in late '82, Rupert Murdoch "closed on the deal after 30 hours of talks with Hearst and newspaper unions -- and five hours after Hearst had sent out notices to newsroom employees telling them they were terminated." And the paper's headline the next day read "You Bet
We're Alive!"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Herald
 
If you dislike The Globe and its ceaseless Liberal bias, then you must be cheered by either option. If the paper survives, it will do so with the most acidic relationship between tenant and landlord. The bitterness between The NYT and The Globe is now palpable, with neither side having much good to say about the other. Is that an outcome to be cheered? Not from my perspective. The Globe unions will put on a brave face and trumpet this as a 'win,' but rest assured: none of those 'winners' will feel like winners. All 'winning' does is open the door to massive cuts that they thought they'd be immune from. And if The NYT gets their magic $20m, what then? Is everyone happy? Do they all go out for a beer? Hardly!

Politicians around here (like the haughty John Kerry with his lacquered hair) like to suggest that The Globe is somehow 'too big to fail.' The transparency is laughable, because The Globe is his mouthpiece and Kerry needs media mouthpieces like humans need air. Kerry et al cannot (legitimately) suggest 'bail-outs' for The Globe because that would be pure napalm on the situation. You think the Globe would fawn over Michelle Obama's $500 sneakers a little more than they already do? I think so!
 
Let see, Boston Globe 1.50 ( where I live) and The Herald still .75 cents . No more Boston Globe at my house.
 
Paying a billion for the paper doesn't help, nor does the availability of the Net, or some constituencies objecting to the Globe's coverage or focus on certain issues.

The purchase of the New England newspapers was one of the worst moves, at the worst possible time, that Pinch could have made. Just unfathomable. If it wasn't for the unusual structuring of the NYTs stock, which vests the actual control of the paper in a class of stock almost exclusively in the hands of the Sulzburger family, Pinch would have been out on his ass years ago. The family just saw their dividends evaporate, and some are probably uneasy about being in the thrall of some sketchy Mexican gazzillionaire, so even they may finally decide its time for Pinch to retire.

Just heard WBZ give results of a poll: for "which paper would you prefer to have in Boston if Boston only had one", the Globe won out 52-48. They aired 3 sound bites from Globe boosters, 2 from Herald fans (along the lines of "I used to buy the Globe years ago, but..." and "goodbye Globe!")

Yikes. I know these are unscientific polls (self-selecting) but this makes absolutely no sense at all, and is the worst possible news for the Globe.

The Globe has almost twice the weekday circulation of the Herald, and four times the circulation of the Herald on Sunday, but they can only beat the Herald by 4 percentage points? Given the huge disparity in readership, and the fact that older demos and news-freaks, as reflected by WBZ listeners, are the last bastion of newspaper readers, it may be time to turn out the lights on Morrissey Blvd. Whatever happened to the law of large numbers?

The Globe may well keep publishing a print edition but for how long?

Until their losses threaten the viability of the Grey Lady, at which time they'll be jettisoned. The Sulzburgers will sell everything that's worth anything (like the piece of the Sox) and shut down the rest in order to keep the NYT publishing, which is their first, and only, priority. Right now, you could not GIVE the Globe away, since its only potential is as a perpetual money burning machine. Either the Globe survives under the NYT, or it folds


Herald also not exactly out of danger

They will be if the Globe folds. The seemingly irreversible trend is major metros becoming 'one-newspaper towns', but none are becoming 'no-newspaper-towns.' There may not be enough remaining newspaper advertising to support two major dailies, but there is, for the forseeable future, usually enough to support one. One benefit of the Herald being strapped for money for years is that they're used to running very lean, and any increase in advertising revenue is magnified more than it is at the Globe. If the Globe goes under, a lot of their advertising account execs will find a new home in the South End

I've been boycotting buying the Globe since the early 1970s, but I have to say that the Herald (to which I subscribe) is a POS and seems to be getting worse every year. Hopefully, if the Globe folds, the Herald will invest some of the increased advertising revenue, which will come from being the only game in town, into improving the paper.

Wikipedia's entry on the Herald says that in late '82, Rupert Murdoch "closed on the deal after 30 hours of talks with Hearst and newspaper unions -- and five hours after Hearst had sent out notices to newsroom employees telling them they were terminated." And the paper's headline the next day read "You Bet
We're Alive!"


Well, that was back in the day when a lot of normally sane people believed the business model for traditional newspapers still made sense. Not so much today. Unless you fill a unique niche (USA Today) or fill a niche AND can actually get people to pay for on-line content (the WSJ) you're toast on the national level (see CSM) or if you're
the high cost and overly leveraged producer in a two newspaper town.

Regards,
TSB
 
Garrett said:
I saw it on 60 mins.

Funny...the rest of us saw it on the CBS Evening News or online.

Garrett said:
So, let me get this straigt... If you force your employer into oblivion, you've won?

HOW?

Mr. Carr, you've just forced The Boston Globe out of bussiness, what are you going to do now>
"I'd be going to Disneyworld, but I can't afford it, because I have no job and no pension left..."

Such a deal!

When did Carr go to work for the Globe? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
As of yesterday: Globe 1.00 (1.50 outside Boston area); Sunday Globe 3.50 (4.00 outside Boston area)
Herald goes up to 1.00 next Monday--it will be same price both inside and outside Boston area.
Sunday price (2.50?) unchanged.

>>When did Carr go to work for the Globe?
Yep he indeed does work for the Herald though his comment implied both papers might eventually
stop publishing (though certainly could stay online), and as far as he was concerned if the Herald
outlasted the Globe by one day, that would suit him.

>> Herald also not exactly out of danger
>They will be if the Globe folds.

That's true but I meant that they too are having to tighten their belts, etc. But yes they could
still publish for years if Globe goes under.
 
The "Providence Journal" has been a $1 per day for several months..and the weekend edition is set at $3...you'll find plenty of copies at your local newstand..

"The Globe may well keep publishing a print edition but for how long?

Until their losses threaten the viability of the Grey Lady, at which time they'll be jettisoned. The Sulzburgers will sell everything that's worth anything (like the piece of the Sox) and shut down the rest in order to keep the NYT publishing, which is their first, and only, priority. Right now, you could not GIVE the Globe away, since its only potential is as a perpetual money burning machine. Either the Globe survives under the NYT, or it folds."

Absolutely true..the "Globe" is an albatross at this point..the "Times" has made it very clear what it thinks of the "Globe" ..and can't wait to kill it..

I'm surprised the 17 percent of the Sox is still in play..given the amount of people in New England who worship Big Pop Up and his cohorts, that should have been sold a while ago..
 
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