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CC drops AAR from South Carolina station

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CC has dropped Air America from WLTQ, Charleston SC. Station going to adult standards.
http://www.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_09_02/wltqcharleston.asp

I have no idea whether CC will drop AAR from any other stations, but they are rolling out a Regional Mexican oldies satellite format. Recently in Sioux City IA they basically combined their talk and sports stations into one, freeing one AM (5000 watts full time) for the Regional Mexican format.

So if there's a market with a fair-sized Latino population, no FM Spanish station, and a CC station with AAR that doesn't appear to be doing too well, I wouldn't be surprised if they flipped it to Regional Mexican.
 
One wouldn't expect to find a whole lot of liberals in "Strom Thurmond" country.

But if PT stations start flipping to foreign language, there would be some irony in that. Given liberal support for open immigration, social services for illegal aliens, support for English as a second language and bilingualism and opposition to English as the official language and to immigrant assimilation in general, they would have only themselves to blame.

> CC has dropped Air America from WLTQ, Charleston SC.
> Station going to adult standards.
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_09_02/wltqcharleston.asp
>
>
> I have no idea whether CC will drop AAR from any other
> stations, but they are rolling out a Regional Mexican oldies
> satellite format. Recently in Sioux City IA they basically
> combined their talk and sports stations into one, freeing
> one AM (5000 watts full time) for the Regional Mexican
> format.
>
> So if there's a market with a fair-sized Latino population,
> no FM Spanish station, and a CC station with AAR that
> doesn't appear to be doing too well, I wouldn't be surprised
> if they flipped it to Regional Mexican.
>
 
> One wouldn't expect to find a whole lot of liberals in
> "Strom Thurmond" country.
>
> But if PT stations start flipping to foreign language, there
> would be some irony in that. Given liberal support for open
> immigration, social services for illegal aliens, support for
> English as a second language and bilingualism and opposition
> to English as the official language and to immigrant
> assimilation in general, they would have only themselves to
> blame.


Your broad brush strokes dismissing a group of people obviously inferior to yourself really makes you seem powerful and very sexy. I assume by the level of your logic that you're actually working on the air somewhere.
 
Considering how poorly Conservative talk does in Charleston, perhaps it's no surprise there's no room for the liberal variety there.

Maybe Charleston just isn't a talk radio market PERIOD....
 
> One wouldn't expect to find a whole lot of liberals in
> "Strom Thurmond" country.
>
> But if PT stations start flipping to foreign language, there
> would be some irony in that. Given liberal support for open
> immigration, social services for illegal aliens, support for
> English as a second language and bilingualism and opposition
> to English as the official language and to immigrant
> assimilation in general, they would have only themselves to
> blame.


To be fair I am biased, my ancestors were immigrants Bierkenstock.

I have been listening to Majority report for over a year and also Stephanie Miller and some Al Franken. The issues of Immigration are, if anything, underdiscussed on AAR. In fact, I must have missed any outright support for any of the things above you describe. Do you actually listen to AAR? I think I remember some comments on Lou Dobb's coverage since he is very vocal on the issue. This probably represents an area where the left is most divided. Here is the gist of what I have captured over the last year or so:

The English language doesn't need to be protected- it is the most powerful dynamic language in the world. A bilingual minority in the US is not a bad thing- we have had them for the past 200 years. As for providing help to the poor without taking their license and registration- some people are all into that "Christian nation" BS huh? Everyone is for legal immigration and changing our immigration laws but the republicans in congress haven't figured anything out on that front in the last 10 years- so spare me. The republicans like Illegal Immigration- it provides unprotected workers for horrific jobs and they fear deportation if they mess up or complain. Conservatives have no interest in fixing immigration laws in the US, if they did they would do something on that front. They own the congress and the white house. I thought republicans were the "ideas" party? I guess the idea is to maintain convoluted immigration laws that a Harvard Lawyer couldn't figure out, let alone a working stiff.
 
> One wouldn't expect to find a whole lot of liberals in
> "Strom Thurmond" country.
>
> But if PT stations start flipping to foreign language, there
> would be some irony in that. Given liberal support for open
> immigration, social services for illegal aliens, support for
> English as a second language and bilingualism and opposition
> to English as the official language and to immigrant
> assimilation in general, they would have only themselves to
> blame.
>


What the hell is your point?

Me? I always thought it was a matter of whether people found it entertaining or not.

I don't see talk radio as a religion. I see it more as entertainment. And that's what it should be (in addition to being informative).<P ID="signature">______________
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It has been a while since the last station flip. AAR said 75 stations by August and we are still looking at 70 (I know, I know, it is a stretch to say all those staions are AAR...bear with me)

So what's going on? The first real serious station drop for AAR/Progressive talk. Probably too soon to say a correction is in the works but I think it could be. WCKY is doing poorly as is Springer and the much maligned Schultz. I say that the problem is that stations won't sell the product. Drop Schultz and Springer and play everything live. Get your own morning show and if not, play morning sedition. The formula is simple.

Rachel Maddow
Morning Sedition or local
Stephanie Miller
Al Franken
Randi Rhodes
Majority Report
Mike Malloy.

AAR news has improved recently so that is good news. No reason to play CBS silliness.

Thanks,

Robbbc
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by robbbc on 09/04/05 02:07 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> CC has dropped Air America from WLTQ, Charleston SC.
> Station going to adult standards.
http://ww> w.radioandrecords.com/Newsroom/2005_09_02/wltqcharleston.asp

I know CC isn't the only one putting AAR on their stations but am guessing
they're the providers in most major cities...like Boston. (A recent glitch
which sent Spanish-language programming to AAR affiliate WKOX in Boston--
on a Friday at 3 pm--was thought to be a format change. It wasn't. Boston's
AAR ratings have been lackluster but maybe CC figures either it will slowly
grow, OR it's a good cheap way to get a few ad dollars. Same as how some
stations pick up Sporting News/Fox Sports/ESPN, or satellite-driven
country or oldies, etc. Turn on the bird and put up a basic website, do
_some_ promotion, and make a few bucks (though not nearly as enough as the
conservatalk stations make). What else can they do, brokered ethnic?

In Burlington VT the AAR station moved from a 5,000 watt daytimer "across
the lake" (crappy signal) to a 5,000 watt 24 hr station in Burl. itself.
Who knows, the neo-hippies who work at Ben and Jerry's probably listen.<P ID="signature">______________
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http://www.livejournal.com/community/boston_radio</P>
 
> In Burlington VT the AAR station moved from a 5,000 watt
> daytimer "across
> the lake" (crappy signal) to a 5,000 watt 24 hr station in
> Burl. itself.
> Who knows, the neo-hippies who work at Ben and Jerry's
> probably listen.
>

I love this- How to spin a station flip from a daytimer ringshot to a 24 hour station in Vermont's queen city. Of course, the Ben and Jerry people are responsible...Damn Ice Cream lovers!

Charelston is not as conservative as one would think so the loss is real- no Stom Thurmond excuses this time. It is not like most of South Carolina. The signal was not the best and, of course, the programming included Schultz, but I think it is a true failure for AAR. Not good news at all. WCKY will be the real test. It will be going soon I am afraid. Too bad CC won't play the product and Drop Schultz and Springer! Still, don't know if that could save it.
 
> Considering how poorly Conservative talk does in Charleston,
> perhaps it's no surprise there's no room for the liberal
> variety there.
>
> Maybe Charleston just isn't a talk radio market PERIOD....
>

Good point, but that will be lost by raccoon, the unequalizer, michelle malkin and all the other conservative spinners who will play this for a major disaster for AAR. Robbc is correct about WCKY, that station needs attention and would be a failure but the RW will play any adjustment as failure.
 
> What the hell is your point?
>
> Me? I always thought it was a matter of whether people
> found it entertaining or not.
>
> I don't see talk radio as a religion. I see it more as
> entertainment. And that's what it should be (in addition to
> being informative).
>

Now you know better than that. Talk radio is all about the god-honest truth.

(We only return to that 'entertainment' argument during controversies and protests.)<P ID="signature">______________
"George Bush doesn't care about Black people."
--Kanye West, stating the obvious
</P>
 
It's all a vast left wing conspiracy :) You just watch: baseball's Vermont
Expos are changing their name and I'll bet they get named
after a flavor of Ben and Jerry's! It all comes together. (The state's
lone representative, the former mayor of Burlington, is a socialist, too.)

> I love this- How to spin a station flip from a daytimer
> ringshot to a 24 hour station in Vermont's queen city. Of
> course, the Ben and Jerry people are responsible...Damn Ice
> Cream lovers!
<P ID="signature">______________
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http://www.livejournal.com/community/boston_radio</P>
 
> It's all a vast left wing conspiracy :) You just watch:
> baseball's Vermont
> Expos are changing their name and I'll bet they get named
> after a flavor of Ben and Jerry's! It all comes together.

I've always wondered....

"Vermont Expos"-- is that short for "Expositions",
"Exponents", or "Expose"? I heard recently that there
was a big fight at the Ben & Jerry factory. There was
to be a group picture taken and the entire staff fought to
exhaustion over who would get to stand on the left.

I think, in the end, everybody fell to the ground so
the photographer just sorta stacked them up so nobody
stood on the left. Good thing nobody thought to turn
the picture sideways 'case if it were turned so their
feet appeared to be on the ground then the guy on the
bottom would be on the left. If, however, they turned
the picture in the more natural "standing on their heads"
position, the body on the top of the stack would be on
the left. Of course that would be from the perspective
of someone looking at the picture. Now from the perspective
of those in the picture it would be all backwards and that
would have a certain natural appeal, too.

I really should be more careful about this stuff. My wife
was born in Vermont and still has relatives there who could
be taken hostage.....<P ID="signature">______________
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> > It's all a vast left wing conspiracy :) You just watch:
> > baseball's Vermont
> > Expos are changing their name and I'll bet they get named
> > after a flavor of Ben and Jerry's! It all comes together.
>
> I've always wondered....
>
> "Vermont Expos"-- is that short for "Expositions",
> "Exponents", or "Expose"? I heard recently that there
> was a big fight at the Ben & Jerry factory. There was
> to be a group picture taken and the entire staff fought to
> exhaustion over who would get to stand on the left.

I hope that was in jest.

The "Expos" name, if I am taking this to be correct, WAS short for Exposition. As in the World's Exposition in Montreal. The MLB franchaise was named in honor of the event, it carried over to the Vermont franchaise.

The Montreal Expos relocated to Washington last October, and are now called the Nationals. (Ironically enough, George Soros was reported to be one of the bidders vying for the Nats... ;)

Don't know anything about what goes on INTERNALLY at Ben & Jerry's, but it's a very successful company, so why mess with it?

- nate81<P ID="signature">______________
Nathan Obral
University Partnership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

The Morning Love with Mark and Sarah - Fridays 9AM EDT on Duck Radio!</P>
 
> Too bad CC won't play the product and Drop Schultz
> and Springer! Still, don't know if that could save it.

Springer is technically an AAR product. He's produced by WCKY/CC, but is distributed by AAR. The opposite approach - dumping Jerry for JRN's Stephanie Miller - could work.

- nate81<P ID="signature">______________
Nathan Obral
University Partnership Representative: LCCC Student Senate, Elyria, Ohio

The Morning Love with Mark and Sarah - Fridays 9AM EDT on Duck Radio!</P>
 
OK, the ice cream is good but.....

> I hope that was in jest.

Intended as a harpoon shot (none dare call it "lampoon") at the entire state of Vermont where the politics have changed so radically in the last 20 years that nobody who was born there even bothers to vote anymore. They get outvoted by refugees from New York City so consistently that there's just no point in wasting the gas to go to the polls.

Good rumor circulating that there'll be a proposition on the Vermont ballot in 2006 to pick up the whole state and move it to the left coast.

Used to be fun, of a Friday evening, to stand around the parking lot of a Friendly's just off the expressway and watch the Caddies with NY plates roll in. Inevitably they'd ask: "Kin ya tell me howta get'ta Vermont?" And all assembled would nod sagely and say: "Ehhh, yup." Then settle back and wait for them to rephrase the question. Most never did. Just burned rubber and drove off; sometimes in the wrong direction.

If in doubt, and if reception permits, listen for an hour or two to the programming on WDEV, 550, Waterbury, VT. The sound good for such a small market but one wonders on what planet that small market might exist!

But there IS this puzzle! Take a look at the power authorized to WDEV
on The FCC AM Query web page:


http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=54866#10003

Only in Vermont could a station with that power be heard so far! They
have solved the energy shortage without even having had to put tail pipes
on cows.

<P ID="signature">______________
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> Good point, but that will be lost by raccoon, the
> unequalizer, michelle malkin and all the other conservative
> spinners who will play this for a major disaster for AAR.
> Robbc is correct about WCKY, that station needs attention
> and would be a failure but the RW will play any adjustment
> as failure.

Also lost in the rush to overanalyze ANY piece of news, however insignificant, about prog-talk in general and AAR in particular is the reality that many programming decisions at Clear Channel are still made very much at the local level.

An earlier post attempted to define some sort of a formula (if market x has y number of CC AM stations, and one is already talk and another is sports, then station z will automatically flip to AAR), but the truth is that the local management has a lot of autonomy to make changes, so long as the numbers are met at the end of the budget cycle. (If anything, this is even more true now that many of the old Jacor gang are gone.)

There's certainly centralized support within CC for things like music distribution, and Gabe Hobbs' oversight of the news-talkers in the company leads to a certain amount of sameness in the product ("The Big One" imaging and so on). And the company will do group deals, on occasion, for product - like the recent one to put Fox news on most of its news-talkers. Even there, the local stations have lots of leeway on how to implement it - some have also kept their previous ABC or CBS affiliations, some have let Harvey go to other stations in the market, others haven't. It's a local decision in each case, which is why it's likely a waste of time to read anything about WCKY, for instance, into this story.

As for Charleston, the signal was OK by day but lousy at night, which is why CC moved the WSCC news-talk programming off 730 and over to FM last year. I suspect the new AAR programming there didn't get much promotion, and it had less than a year to get any traction. This story plays out over and over again in market after market around the country. Interesting that it only seems to become a big deal for certain people (where's PW when we need him/her?) when AAR is involved.<P ID="signature">______________
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> The "Expos" name, if I am taking this to be correct, WAS
> short for Exposition. As in the World's Exposition in
> Montreal. The MLB franchaise was named in honor of the
> event, it carried over to the Vermont franchaise.
>
> The Montreal Expos relocated to Washington last October, and
> are now called the Nationals. (Ironically enough, George
> Soros was reported to be one of the bidders vying for the
> Nats... ;)

Then why isn't the team the Vermont Nationals? Or, to borrow a phrase Thom Hartmann used before he moved to Portland, the Vermont People's Republicans? :)

>
> Don't know anything about what goes on INTERNALLY at Ben &
> Jerry's, but it's a very successful company, so why mess
> with it?

Isn't Ben and Jerry's just a division of Unilever now anyway?

>
> - nate81
>
 
> Isn't Ben and Jerry's just a division of Unilever now
> anyway?

It is. And its headquarters are in Waterbury (you can see the WDEV 550 site from the parking lot), where the 1390 signal doesn't really reach anyway.

But I won't let facts get in the way of a fun tirade...<P ID="signature">______________
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CCU's "Directives"

> Also lost in the rush to overanalyze ANY piece of news,
> however insignificant, about prog-talk in general and AAR in
> particular is the reality that many programming decisions at
> Clear Channel are still made very much at the local level.

Indeed, my friend.

When CC saw some success with liberal talk, primarily on KPOJ/620 Portland, other stations followed that lead, for obvious reasons.

Far from being a directive from on high, it's been explained to me that CC corporate made its local clusters aware of this, and suggested liberal talk as a possible option for stations which had lagging performance...particularly on second or third AM stations in a market.

And despite much speculation (including from this corner) that CC was breaking away from using AAR on its liberal talkers after what happened in San Antonio, our local newly-minted progressive talker added Al Franken and Randi Rhodes when the other local libtalker switched to sports...

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
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