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CC San Antonio Libtalker Flips To "Texas Music"

AllAccess.com reports that Clear Channel is flipping progressive talker KRPT/92.5 in the San Antonio market to an outlet carrying "Texas music", under the moniker "92.5 The Outlaw".

The station already has a website up, here:

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.925theoutlaw.com/main.html>http://www.925theoutlaw.com/main.html</a>

The move displaces liberal talk from the San Antonio market rimshot, which has been running shows from Jones Radio and other syndicators. It was Clear Channel's first liberal talker which carried no Air America programming...AAR eventually landed on another SA FM rimshot, KTXX/103.1 Karnes City TX, which is even farther from San Antonio than KRPT is.

KRPT did carry Clear Channel/AAR's Jerry Springer, which it picked up before AAR signed a deal with CC to carry the show.

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Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

Not all formats work in all markets. In some markets, talk - any kind of talk - does not get strong numbers. And San Antonio does not and did not seem like the most fertile ground for progressive talk.

I would not call either station a rim shot. Both miss the rim. Neither gets a decent signal into any part of the region where people out-number cattle.

I know this will give some here cause to gloat, but I expect we are going to see a few more stations for which a flip to progressive talk was ill-advised - or who made a half-arsed job of it - undoing their mistakes. WHJJ, Providence and WHAT, Philadelphia qualify on both those counts. I suspect these two stations out on the Texas range qualify as never-shoulda-done-it-in-the-first-place. Probably the same was true in South Carolina. Rumors have been posted that Phoenix may flip, as well, but I'm not sure what the story is there.

AAR has been busy trying to sign up stations - any stations - sometimes getting little more than bragging rights for their trouble. It has been all about boosting the affiliate count and the number of markets: Quantity over quality. Within the coming months, they will likely lose a few more of the "weakest links" (Goodbye). Maybe now AAR will comes to its senses; be selective and try to consolidate. Go after markets and stations which are good candidates for progressive talk and start upgrading in existing markets to stations with decent coverage. Their goal at this point should be a "Gideon's band" of strong progressive talk stations making money. If they build that, others will come.

For one thing, they don't have any coverage (or any decent coverage) in some "blue markets." Rather than pushing to get on in dyed-in-the-wool red markets, they should be concentrating on getting good coverage where they have a worthwhile potential listener base.

I am sorry to see one of three independent progressive talk stations go away. Monterey and Sacramento are still in the game for now. We previously lost one in Ohio and (I vaguely recall) one around Madison (?).
 
KRPT never stood a chance

> Not all formats work in all markets. In some markets, talk
> - any kind of talk - does not get strong numbers. And San
> Antonio does not and did not seem like the most fertile
> ground for progressive talk.
>
> I would not call either station a rim shot. Both miss the
> rim. Neither gets a decent signal into any part of the
> region where people out-number cattle.
>
> I know this will give some here cause to gloat, but I expect
> we are going to see a few more stations for which a flip to
> progressive talk was ill-advised - or who made a half-arsed
> job of it - undoing their mistakes. WHJJ, Providence and
> WHAT, Philadelphia qualify on both those counts. I suspect
> these two stations out on the Texas range qualify as
> never-shoulda-done-it-in-the-first-place. Probably the same
> was true in South Carolina. Rumors have been posted that
> Phoenix may flip, as well, but I'm not sure what the story
> is there.
>
> AAR has been busy trying to sign up stations - any stations
> - sometimes getting little more than bragging rights for
> their trouble. It has been all about boosting the affiliate
> count and the number of markets: Quantity over quality.
> Within the coming months, they will likely lose a few more
> of the "weakest links" (Goodbye). Maybe now AAR will comes
> to its senses; be selective and try to consolidate. Go
> after markets and stations which are good candidates for
> progressive talk and start upgrading in existing markets to
> stations with decent coverage. Their goal at this point
> should be a "Gideon's band" of strong progressive talk
> stations making money. If they build that, others will
> come.
>
> For one thing, they don't have any coverage (or any decent
> coverage) in some "blue markets." Rather than pushing to
> get on in dyed-in-the-wool red markets, they should be
> concentrating on getting good coverage where they have a
> worthwhile potential listener base.
>
> I am sorry to see one of three independent progressive talk
> stations go away. Monterey and Sacramento are still in the
> game for now. We previously lost one in Ohio and (I vaguely
> recall) one around Madison (?).
>

To call this station a San Antonio station is an overstatement at best. The signal is way too far outside of SA to be a ratings success in any format (it bombed in it's previous hip-hop incarnation).

Quite frankly, I've always wondered why CC flipped this thing to progressive talk in the first place. It was one of those stations (like WHJJ and WHAT) where I honestly thought flipping was a very strange idea. Unless it was to keep tabs on the format in CC's home market. Or hoping that listeners were gung-ho enough about the format that they'd put up with the static.

This 'Texas Outlaw' format, whatever that is, sounds intriguing.

The Phoenix affiliate has been doing well in the ratings, even with a less-than-stellar signal. It's been pounding the second-tier talk stations in the market. They've done a good job with promotion and on-air presentation. However, KXXT may be going away because the owner sold the whole group to a religious broadcaster. Whether they keep the programming is unknown, though I'm sure there will be a struggling AM that would step in if KXXT flipped.

As for the independent progressive talkers, WTDY is still around with many of the same hosts. They dropped Schultz and Miller, though (both went to 92.1). And WARF in Akron picked up a few AAR shows when AAR's original affiliate there flipped to FOX sports following WARF's debut. No surprise there.

And KRPT (All Access got the call letters wrong) still has it's site up. It's at http://www.925krpt.com/ .
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Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

> AAR has been busy trying to sign up stations - any stations
> - sometimes getting little more than bragging rights for
> their trouble. It has been all about boosting the affiliate
> count and the number of markets: Quantity over quality.
> Within the coming months, they will likely lose a few more
> of the "weakest links" (Goodbye). Maybe now AAR will comes
> to its senses; be selective and try to consolidate. Go
> after markets and stations which are good candidates for
> progressive talk and start upgrading in existing markets to
> stations with decent coverage. Their goal at this point
> should be a "Gideon's band" of strong progressive talk
> stations making money. If they build that, others will
> come.

This is well thought out, but its not the affiliate relations dept's job to make stations profitable. It's their job to skew dayparts, demos, and general ratings to convince stations to pick up any of their programming, the more the better, and the closer to live the better. Of course, it's in their interest to get the best stations because they are bonused on ratings (as should be the network). If they can pick up Enid, OK, they should do it. To overlook ANYTHING is silly.

> For one thing, they don't have any coverage (or any decent
> coverage) in some "blue markets." Rather than pushing to
> get on in dyed-in-the-wool red markets, they should be
> concentrating on getting good coverage where they have a
> worthwhile potential listener base.

Yes, and I'm afraid stupid decisions like excluding Sirius from the mix are the direction they plan on heading.

> I am sorry to see one of three independent progressive talk
> stations go away. Monterey and Sacramento are still in the
> game for now. We previously lost one in Ohio and (I vaguely
> recall) one around Madison (?).

WTDY is a joke. What a pollution of the X-band. The national shows of any merit went to CC's WXXM, the first of (now) two FM libtalkers.
 
Re: KRPT never stood a chance

> The Phoenix affiliate has been doing well in the ratings,
> even with a less-than-stellar signal. It's been pounding
> the second-tier talk stations in the market. They've done a
> good job with promotion and on-air presentation. However,
> KXXT may be going away because the owner sold the whole
> group to a religious broadcaster. Whether they keep the
> programming is unknown, though I'm sure there will be a
> struggling AM that would step in if KXXT flipped.

Keep in mind that, to some degree, James Crystal is a religious programmer, too. Brokered money talk and religion... hmm. KXXT has recently overtaken the dwindling Salem talker here, which has been pummeled back down to where it belongs in the mid-0s, but to say their signal is poor is a bit inaccurate. They put out 15kW not too far west of downtown, with a DA-D pattern to the southeast, giving them great coverage of the population rich East Valley and affluent Scottsdale. 10mV/m over pretty much the entire valley, and I've picked them up on seek from time to time driving around in Tucson.
 
AAR's future in Phoenix - does it have one?

> > The Phoenix affiliate has been doing well in the ratings,
> > even with a less-than-stellar signal. It's been pounding
> > the second-tier talk stations in the market. They've done a
> > good job with promotion and on-air presentation. However,
> > KXXT may be going away because the owner sold the whole
> > group to a religious broadcaster. Whether they keep the
> > programming is unknown, though I'm sure there will be a
> > struggling AM that would step in if KXXT flipped.
>
> Keep in mind that, to some degree, James Crystal is a
> religious programmer, too. Brokered money talk and
> religion... hmm. KXXT has recently overtaken the dwindling
> Salem talker here, which has been pummeled back down to
> where it belongs in the mid-0s, but to say their signal is
> poor is a bit inaccurate. They put out 15kW not too far west
> of downtown, with a DA-D pattern to the southeast, giving
> them great coverage of the population rich East Valley and
> affluent Scottsdale. 10mV/m over pretty much the entire
> valley, and I've picked them up on seek from time to time
> driving around in Tucson.

My guess is that Air America will be kicked off of KXXT once Communicom Broadcasting takes over. This is the company who ran infomercials and canned religious talk on their New Orleans station WLNO during Hurricane Katrina, rather than actually serve the public with hurricane coverage. Sounds like just another religious-huckster outfit with no credibility.

But where will Air America end up? Not many places left on the Phoenix radio dial to put it. The remaining news-talkers not owned by Clear Channel, Bonneville, or Salem are KFNX 1100 (a complete joke but they run 50 kW days) and the unbelievably (and hilariously) inept KXAM 1310. Other possibilities are CC-owned KOY 1230 (long-time adult-standards station), Sandusky's KDUS 1060 (sports) or KAZG 1440 (oldies daytimer with about 4 listeners), or Continental's KPHX 1480 (comedy with maybe 2 listeners). The senior population here is large and affluent so I'd be very surprised if it was KOY.

I doubt if one of the Spanish-language AM stations would flip although I don't believe any of them are doing particularly well compared to the Spanish-language FMs.

The only way AAR would end up on FM would be if they ended up on one of the Payson (KNRJ 101.1 and KAJM 104.3) or Globe/Florence (KRDE 94.1, which is for sale from what I understand, and KCDX 103.1) rimshots.

Any metro-Phoenix station carrying AAR would have to have a signal that favors the Tempe/ASU and Scottsdale/Paradise Valley areas. Those areas have the largest liberal/Democrat-voting populaton, as well as being very wealthy for the most part.
 
Re: AAR's future in Phoenix - does it have one?

> But where will Air America end up? Not many places left on
> the Phoenix radio dial to put it. The remaining
> news-talkers not owned by Clear Channel, Bonneville, or
> Salem are KFNX 1100 (a complete joke but they run 50 kW
> days) and the unbelievably (and hilariously) inept KXAM
> 1310. Other possibilities are CC-owned KOY 1230 (long-time
> adult-standards station), Sandusky's KDUS 1060 (sports) or
> KAZG 1440 (oldies daytimer with about 4 listeners), or
> Continental's KPHX 1480 (comedy with maybe 2 listeners).
> The senior population here is large and affluent so I'd be
> very surprised if it was KOY.

KOY has been tossed around, but trends are up as of late. CC's sportstalker KGME is way up recently. Bonneville (KTAR, KMVP) and Salem can be rulled out. KFNX has flirted with local liberal hosts over the past three years, but makes too much money selling time; beside, they're not willing to part with Michael Savage who brings in great numbers in PMD considering the rest of the day. Same to KDUS; they had made rumbling about a flip this past spring, but their perpetual no-show in the ratings is meaningless when you consider its mostly a brokered sports outlet. Same company's KDUS, run out of the separate KSLX studios in a broom closet, has always been adamant about remaining all oldies. Granted, you drive under a bridge and they die, and their 49 watts at night eminating from 68th St and Thomas don't get much past Scottsdale Fashion Square seven blocks away, but they won't so much as "compromise" their "interesting", "unique" format with so much as an infomercial outside of Saturdays before 9am.

KPHX is the interesting possibility that hasn't been brought up before; it was told to me that the owner's son, who was coerced into the GM position, was unhappy managing the station and its one other employee. I'm not sure how long All Comedy's LMA/option to buy lasts, but they have dropped out of the book and every attempt at local content in drive times has failed. I'm almost positive, though, that the Molinas have discussed taking it Spanish again when the ACR deal is up (seeing that ACR sold their only O&O in KC this fall, I doubt they're planning on exercising their option).

> I doubt if one of the Spanish-language AM stations would
> flip although I don't believe any of them are doing
> particularly well compared to the Spanish-language FMs.

Again, KPHX would likely be the opposite; English reverting to Spanish. KASA 1540 runs 19 watts highly directional to the west at night, as does its 10kW daytime signal. How much of the Spanish religion format is paid for and at what rate, I couldn't say... but probably the only Spanish candidate. There are a number of non-music Spanish AMs here, which only makes sense, as I believe David Eduardo could attest with more knowledge to the fact that Spanish AMs do poorly in this area due to the success of Spanish speaking FMs.

> The only way AAR would end up on FM would be if they ended
> up on one of the Payson (KNRJ 101.1 and KAJM 104.3) or
> Globe/Florence (KRDE 94.1, which is for sale from what I
> understand, and KCDX 103.1) rimshots.

KNRJ... now there's a joke. KAJM is doing better, as well as a Payson station can serve all of Phoenix (or try to). KRDE hits about 1/3 of the valley's population reliably (I described where I heard them on the Phoenix board; here is their map -> http://krde.com/map1.gif). I don't think they'd flip unless you wanted to shell out their alleged $4 mil asking price. As for KCDX, Ted Tucker won't part with that for cheap.
 
Re: AAR's future in Phoenix - does it have one?

> KOY has been tossed around, but trends are up as of late.

KOY got tossed around a lot when CC started flipping standards stations to libtalk, but I don't think it's happening...for the reason stated elsewhere here. Phoenix is one of the few markets where an AM standards station can actually work, due to the age composition of the market.

(For that matter, we may be in the same boat up here in nearby Youngstown/Warren, with an older population being served not only by CC standards WNIO/1390, but Cumulus' WSOM/600!)

I wouldn't put a bet on any of the listed stations flipping to AAR after KXXT dumps it, but I wouldn't bet against it, either, since they've had at least some success on 1010. My gut tells me it'll be the always-changing KXAM/1310, if it happens.

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Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

> Not all formats work in all markets. In some markets, talk
> - any kind of talk - does not get strong numbers. And San
> Antonio does not and did not seem like the most fertile
> ground for progressive talk.
>

why not? a good mix of people, over 50% hispanic...


> I would not call either station a rim shot. Both miss the
> rim. Neither gets a decent signal into any part of the
> region where people out-number cattle.
>
> I know this will give some here cause to gloat, but I expect
> we are going to see a few more stations for which a flip to
> progressive talk was ill-advised - or who made a half-arsed
> job of it - undoing their mistakes. WHJJ, Providence and
> WHAT, Philadelphia qualify on both those counts. I suspect
> these two stations out on the Texas range qualify as
> never-shoulda-done-it-in-the-first-place. Probably the same
> was true in South Carolina. Rumors have been posted that
> Phoenix may flip, as well, but I'm not sure what the story
> is there.
>
> AAR has been busy trying to sign up stations - any stations
> - sometimes getting little more than bragging rights for
> their trouble. It has been all about boosting the affiliate
> count and the number of markets: Quantity over quality.
> Within the coming months, they will likely lose a few more
> of the "weakest links" (Goodbye). Maybe now AAR will comes
> to its senses; be selective and try to consolidate. Go
> after markets and stations which are good candidates for
> progressive talk and start upgrading in existing markets to
> stations with decent coverage. Their goal at this point
> should be a "Gideon's band" of strong progressive talk
> stations making money. If they build that, others will
> come.
>
> For one thing, they don't have any coverage (or any decent
> coverage) in some "blue markets." Rather than pushing to
> get on in dyed-in-the-wool red markets, they should be
> concentrating on getting good coverage where they have a
> worthwhile potential listener base.
>
> I am sorry to see one of three independent progressive talk
> stations go away. Monterey and Sacramento are still in the
> game for now. We previously lost one in Ohio and (I vaguely
> recall) one around Madison (?).
>
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

> > Not all formats work in all markets. In some markets,
> talk
> > - any kind of talk - does not get strong numbers. And San
>
> > Antonio does not and did not seem like the most fertile
> > ground for progressive talk.
> >
>
> why not? a good mix of people, over 50% hispanic...

I don't think San Antonio is quite 50% Hispanic, but so is Miami (well, close); talk radio gets miserable audience there. Perhaps WOAI outperforms WIOD by a factor of two because there are more second generation Hispanics, speaking more English, in Texas than Florida?
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

I think the concept of targeting specifically-blue markets for new affiliates is a great idea. By growing into markets where the format is more likely to be successful (i.e., the northeast), I think AAR can make better use of it's resources. When a new affiliate is added in a market where the format is likely to be successful in the long-run, it will contribute to the ultimate longevity of AAR as a brand.

LibTalk just won't work in some markets, especially in the south. Instead of rushing to sign a station on in a market that won't support the format, just take a pass. That way, there's no bragging from the other side when it doesn't work and the affiliate cans the format. This seems like common sense.

Who cares if you have only 50 affiliates when each of those fifty have GREAT numbers? It's a lot better than having 200 affiliates who have NO audience. Wouldn't you agree? A look at group owners serves as a good example of this theory. Susquehanna only had 34 stations before it's merger with Cumulus. But, it had billing numbers almost equal to Cumulus, which has over 300 stations.

As the old saying goes, work smarter instead of harder. Then, work hard at working smart. It's all about quality, not quantity. Unless you are Wal-Mart.
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

> I think the concept of targeting specifically-blue markets
> for new affiliates is a great idea. By growing into markets
> where the format is more likely to be successful (i.e., the
> northeast), I think AAR can make better use of it's
> resources. When a new affiliate is added in a market where
> the format is likely to be successful in the long-run, it
> will contribute to the ultimate longevity of AAR as a brand.
>
>
> LibTalk just won't work in some markets, especially in the
> south. Instead of rushing to sign a station on in a market
> that won't support the format, just take a pass. That way,
> there's no bragging from the other side when it doesn't work
> and the affiliate cans the format. This seems like common
> sense.
>
> Who cares if you have only 50 affiliates when each of those
> fifty have GREAT numbers? It's a lot better than having 200
> affiliates who have NO audience. Wouldn't you agree? A look
> at group owners serves as a good example of this theory.
> Susquehanna only had 34 stations before it's merger with
> Cumulus. But, it had billing numbers almost equal to
> Cumulus, which has over 300 stations.
>
> As the old saying goes, work smarter instead of harder.
> Then, work hard at working smart. It's all about quality,
> not quantity. Unless you are Wal-Mart.
>

So, after saying that progressive talk shouldn't be strictly about the politics, you say that it should. If that's the case, then perhaps KSFO, a very conservative station, should pull out of San Francisco, right?

The way I see it, if the programming is good, the signal is good and the promotion is good, the station could be a success.

Progressive talk stations aren't out there looking for 10 shares. These stations can do well with ratings even down to the 1.0 range. After all, does it really cost a bundle to put syndicated (and maybe a little local) talk on struggling AM stations? Is there really that much overhead?

Keep in mind, there are a few lib talkers in red markets that are doing pretty well. KLSD in San Diego is one of the format's earliest successes, and is still one of the highest-rated AM stations in the market. And WCKY has been doing very well, and is even on it's way to besting their previous format. Randi Rhodes has pulled down the strongest ratings on WJNO in West Palm Beach for most of the last decade, and there's a ton of wingers there.

Not to mention that hosts such as Ed Schultz and Lionel are on in many red markets.

I really don't think politics has everything to do with it. And just because it's a 'red' or 'blue' market does not mean there is no audience there. I think the audience would be anywhere. The quality of the programming is the key. And I think any syndicator would be stupid to turn down any station that wants it's programming, regardless of where it is. Isn't that the key in building a network?
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Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

> Keep in mind, there are a few lib talkers in red markets
> that are doing pretty well. KLSD in San Diego is one of the
> format's earliest successes, and is still one of the
> highest-rated AM stations in the market. And WCKY has been
> doing very well, and is even on it's way to besting their
> previous format. Randi Rhodes has pulled down the strongest
> ratings on WJNO in West Palm Beach for most of the last
> decade, and there's a ton of wingers there.

Albuquerque may not be a diehard red state, and they split Presidential elections 50-50, but they have come out very strong, beating the new FM talker that lured former heritage KKOB morning man Larry Ahrens and has billboards every ten feet. Like KLSD, KABQ/Albuquerque has tapered off a little bit, but still post good numbers. The thing is, they don't really reach liberal Santa Fe (definitely not at night with 500 watts). Mornings suck, but they're second among talkers in every other weekday daypart behind ratings/signal monster KKOB in the demos where it counts. They used to be Fox Sports, which has now failed twice in the market, and ratings were formerly about zero. Turn an old 7x10' production studio into a "studio" and put a computer in there and you've got 1500% ratings improvement on a shoestring budget. Apparently the same formula doesn't work everywhere as witnessed by this.
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

I am not suggesting Air America Radio "turn down" stations which want to carry their programs. I am suggesting they identify and target those markets and stations with the greatest potential for the progressive talk format.

Of course, programming has to be good. And the programming has to be supported with effective promotion. But good programming and promotion are not enough.

As you point out, a good signal is an important ingredient. And progressive talk has ended up on too many stations lacking that ingredient.

As I said in an earlier posts, talk radio (any kind of talk radio) does not play equally well in every market. No format does. So, for the next phrase of their development, AAR needs to focus their efforts and resources on markets in which talk formats perform well.

They also need to identify and focus on those markets with a solid base of listeners predisposed or open to progressive talk programming. Blue markets is an obvious indicator. They should also look beyond that for markets, like San Diego, with a strong and active Blue minority. (By the way, KLSD is the number 22 station in the market and the number four political talk station. I won't quote numbers but it's not as high-rated as you suggest.)

Other factors to consider would be markets with above average levels of income and education (including a strong presence of institutions of higher learning). Not surprisingly, the markets in which progressive talk radio is likely to do well are the same ones in which public radio does well.

AAR needs to find markets with a large and vocal choir. That said, they should not preach to it. The choir - as evidenced by many who post here - want a political p*fest, with lots of shots at the opposition and general bashing of the opposition. They need to hold to core values but with a lighter touch (this includes appropriate humor, which despite all the comedians they hired, is mostly lacking in AAR programming). And they need to get into non-political or lifestyle topics consistent with progressive political philosophy and of interest to the kind of people who lean that way.

So far AAR is a "hobby station." It's a bunch of rich people who backed AAR as a start-up and AAR's politically connected managers programming what they want. This is not unique to AAR. Conservative operators have a long history of running stations to reflect their political viewpoints (some were described in the Pre-Rush talk radio thread). It also happens in music radio in which somebody plays the music they like. AAR has to decide if they want to be a successful business or somebody's hobby.

AAR needs to consolidate and build. They need to build a track record of success for local stations. To do that, they need to be selective. They need to qualify potential "affiliates." Otherwise they are likely to end up being relegated to being a niche format on marginal AM stations (like Salem).

They've been doing it your way. They took any station they could get. Some have fallen by the wayside, much to glee of those who want progressive talk radio to disappear. They have shown they can lose. They need to do more to show they can win.
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

Why would you think they haven't tried to get on better stations? The tail doesn't wag the dog. When ratings happen on the smaller stations, then, and only then, do they get on bigger stations (unless AAR buys its way on). Its the individual hosts who will or will not get ratings, not the network. Even in the ABC Talkradio and NBC Talknet days, people listened to Bruce Williams or Michael Jackson, not Talkradio and Talknet. The failed ABC experiment should show the full network concept doesn't work. I would agree that the owners of AAR have to decide between being a business or a hobby. Its been my experience that a host will either catch on, or they won't. Therer's no tweaking of topics or approaches that's going to make a diffeence.
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

If you had been paying attention - which clearly you have not - you would know I have been saying that for months. AAR is out there selling the progressive talk format, even though they may think they are selling their network. Instead of trying to find as many stations as they can which are desperate enough to flip to any turn-key format that comes along, they need to be selective about where they go to get programs cleared. Read what I actually wrote before you start playing devils advocate. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by mwebster on 11/25/05 10:55 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Progressive Talk - Not For Everybody

> I am not suggesting Air America Radio "turn down" stations
> which want to carry their programs. I am suggesting they
> identify and target those markets and stations with the
> greatest potential for the progressive talk format.

Any syndicator will go after whatever station will pick up the programming. And I think liberal talk can work in red markets as well as blue markets, for the reasons I already mentioned.

> Of course, programming has to be good. And the programming
> has to be supported with effective promotion. But good
> programming and promotion are not enough.

Local stations are responsible for promotion at their level. AAR can only do so much, and I think they've done more promotion than any other syndicator out there.

> As you point out, a good signal is an important ingredient.
> And progressive talk has ended up on too many stations
> lacking that ingredient.

Sometimes, you have to play the hand you're dealt. If they can land a substandard affiliate (like signal-impaired WCPT in Chicago), then they should go for it. Remember, Rush's talk show got it's start on weak AM stations.

> As I said in an earlier posts, talk radio (any kind of talk
> radio) does not play equally well in every market. No
> format does. So, for the next phrase of their development,
> AAR needs to focus their efforts and resources on markets in
> which talk formats perform well.

Sometimes you have to put forth the effort in order to find out. And like I said before, it's not like syndicated liberal talk is an outrageously expensive format to run. And it has more money-making potential than oldies, classic country, standards or Sporting News Radio off the bird, which tend to be the last resort formats for tiny AM stations.

> They also need to identify and focus on those markets with a
> solid base of listeners predisposed or open to progressive
> talk programming. Blue markets is an obvious indicator.
> They should also look beyond that for markets, like San
> Diego, with a strong and active Blue minority. (By the way,
> KLSD is the number 22 station in the market and the number
> four political talk station. I won't quote numbers but it's
> not as high-rated as you suggest.)

I'm turning into a broken record here. Should programmers have backed away from country music in a market like Chicago because there probably aren't as many country fans as in, say, Nashville? I'm sure that no matter where one goes, there's at least some left-leaning people. And not too long after KLSD went on the air with their current format, they were the #3 rated AM station in certain demographics. I don't have any current demographic breakdowns.

> Other factors to consider would be markets with above
> average levels of income and education (including a strong
> presence of institutions of higher learning). Not
> surprisingly, the markets in which progressive talk radio is
> likely to do well are the same ones in which public radio
> does well.
>
> AAR needs to find markets with a large and vocal choir.
> That said, they should not preach to it. The choir - as
> evidenced by many who post here - want a political p*fest,
> with lots of shots at the opposition and general bashing of
> the opposition. They need to hold to core values but with a
> lighter touch (this includes appropriate humor, which
> despite all the comedians they hired, is mostly lacking in
> AAR programming). And they need to get into non-political
> or lifestyle topics consistent with progressive political
> philosophy and of interest to the kind of people who lean
> that way.
>
> So far AAR is a "hobby station." It's a bunch of rich
> people who backed AAR as a start-up and AAR's politically
> connected managers programming what they want. This is not
> unique to AAR. Conservative operators have a long history
> of running stations to reflect their political viewpoints
> (some were described in the Pre-Rush talk radio thread). It
> also happens in music radio in which somebody plays the
> music they like. AAR has to decide if they want to be a
> successful business or somebody's hobby.

As I can see, they're trying to run a business, but one that reflects their own political ideology. Why do you see a problem with building a business out out of something they believe in?

> AAR needs to consolidate and build. They need to build a
> track record of success for local stations. To do that,
> they need to be selective. They need to qualify potential
> "affiliates." Otherwise they are likely to end up being
> relegated to being a niche format on marginal AM stations
> (like Salem).

There are only a small number of strong AM stations in any given market, and the stations most likely to flip are ones that are signal-impaired (which is the majority of them). Let's face it, in say, New York, stations like WABC, WFAN, WCBS, etc. are not in any hurry to change anything. Hence WLIB. Obviously, landing some strong signals like KPOJ, WINZ and (especially) WCKY was a big plus.

> They've been doing it your way. They took any station they
> could get. Some have fallen by the wayside, much to glee of
> those who want progressive talk radio to disappear. They
> have shown they can lose. They need to do more to show they
> can win.
>

I don't understand this approach you suggest about only taking certain stations. That's the equivalent of throwing all of one's eggs in only a few baskets. I say if a station owner wants to take on the programming and nobody else in the market has spoken up, why not let them air it? What other syndicators turn down affiliates? And if it takes off and stronger stations want to take over as affiliates, this can be done (this recently happened in Sacramento).<P ID="signature">______________
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> I think the concept of targeting specifically-blue markets
> for new affiliates is a great idea. By growing into markets
> where the format is more likely to be successful (i.e., the
> northeast)

I used to believe that. Now I think the opposite may be true. Rush Limbaugh's Show germinated in an environment where conservatives felt marginalized and without a voice. Likewise, it just may be that liberal talk radio would fare better in a city where left-wingers feel surrounded and outnumbered.

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This is great post. You should send it to Tamara Karcev, Affiliate Relations director at AAR and to Dano Walkoff of Envision, the firm contracting with AAR to provide affiliate relations services.

Your comment about KLSD is relevant. Not only is it fourth rated political talk station, but one of the stations beating it is KFI from Los Angeles, broadcasting from 200 miles away. More disturbing is that since earning a 2.8 share about a year ago, KLSD has gone steadily downhill. Their current average share is down 40% since this high point.

> I am not suggesting Air America Radio "turn down" stations
> which want to carry their programs. I am suggesting they
> identify and target those markets and stations with the
> greatest potential for the progressive talk format.
>
> Of course, programming has to be good. And the programming
> has to be supported with effective promotion. But good
> programming and promotion are not enough.
>
> As you point out, a good signal is an important ingredient.
> And progressive talk has ended up on too many stations
> lacking that ingredient.
>
> As I said in an earlier posts, talk radio (any kind of talk
> radio) does not play equally well in every market. No
> format does. So, for the next phrase of their development,
> AAR needs to focus their efforts and resources on markets in
> which talk formats perform well.
>
> They also need to identify and focus on those markets with a
> solid base of listeners predisposed or open to progressive
> talk programming. Blue markets is an obvious indicator.
> They should also look beyond that for markets, like San
> Diego, with a strong and active Blue minority. (By the way,
> KLSD is the number 22 station in the market and the number
> four political talk station. I won't quote numbers but it's
> not as high-rated as you suggest.)
>
> Other factors to consider would be markets with above
> average levels of income and education (including a strong
> presence of institutions of higher learning). Not
> surprisingly, the markets in which progressive talk radio is
> likely to do well are the same ones in which public radio
> does well.
>
> AAR needs to find markets with a large and vocal choir.
> That said, they should not preach to it. The choir - as
> evidenced by many who post here - want a political p*fest,
> with lots of shots at the opposition and general bashing of
> the opposition. They need to hold to core values but with a
> lighter touch (this includes appropriate humor, which
> despite all the comedians they hired, is mostly lacking in
> AAR programming). And they need to get into non-political
> or lifestyle topics consistent with progressive political
> philosophy and of interest to the kind of people who lean
> that way.
>
> So far AAR is a "hobby station." It's a bunch of rich
> people who backed AAR as a start-up and AAR's politically
> connected managers programming what they want. This is not
> unique to AAR. Conservative operators have a long history
> of running stations to reflect their political viewpoints
> (some were described in the Pre-Rush talk radio thread). It
> also happens in music radio in which somebody plays the
> music they like. AAR has to decide if they want to be a
> successful business or somebody's hobby.
>
> AAR needs to consolidate and build. They need to build a
> track record of success for local stations. To do that,
> they need to be selective. They need to qualify potential
> "affiliates." Otherwise they are likely to end up being
> relegated to being a niche format on marginal AM stations
> (like Salem).
>
> They've been doing it your way. They took any station they
> could get. Some have fallen by the wayside, much to glee of
> those who want progressive talk radio to disappear. They
> have shown they can lose. They need to do more to show they
> can win.
>
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> I am sorry to see one of three independent progressive talk
> stations go away. Monterey and Sacramento are still in the
> game for now. We previously lost one in Ohio and (I vaguely
> recall) one around Madison (?).

WTDY in Madison is alive and well. After falling behind AAR about a year ago, they have gained share in the last few surveys and are now tied with the AAR affiate.
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