WINS has been Dominating 1010 over CFRB for at least a year in SE MI, beginning during CH and in the Evening and Night. Anyone know what's going on?
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CFRB Or WINS 1010 On STA? WINS 1010 Dominates In SE MI
- Thread starter Schroedingers Cat
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From central Ohio, it's been the same case here for at least that long. I can remember many nights over the years that just featured CFRB and WINS fighting it out. Lately, it's usually WINS. That said, it's a weak link in terms of strength of signal between a very strong WMVP and the slightly better KDKA and the blaster WBZ.
Fwiw, Shroed and Schmave: Although I'm not as far from WINS as you guys are, I've noticed the WINS signal being far better than that of CFRB for a few years now. In fact, WINS was one of the six or so stations I tuned in during the Trump-Pelosi-Schumer address a week ago.
When one 50 K'er would fade, I'd tune around and instantly find another station carrying the event.
WINS doesn't send much nighttime power this way, west, to us in PA. But WINS still is a nighttime sentry. As someone suggested, CFRB must have something up vis-a-vis their signal.
When one 50 K'er would fade, I'd tune around and instantly find another station carrying the event.
WINS doesn't send much nighttime power this way, west, to us in PA. But WINS still is a nighttime sentry. As someone suggested, CFRB must have something up vis-a-vis their signal.
Pardon the footnote if you will ....
It was 5 years ago, and I was cutting carpet padding nearing sunset in the unoccupied front bedroom to use as soundproofing in the attic. 12-20-13 was the date. The 6-tube Zenith table radio was tuned to 1010. Static, fading : Music to my ears. Coming in and trading places was a new country station logging (WCNL from NH) and WINS. Then, CFRB joined in. Even at that hour, still very much daylight, WINS and CFRB seemed to occupy their assigned coverage stature and duel, being mixed with this NH station playing cowboy records.
Here's WCNL's 10,000 watt omni daytime pattern :
https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCNL&service=AM&h=D
Such reception might've been the wintertime daylight skip; perhaps not. But both WINS and CFRB were right there.
It was 5 years ago, and I was cutting carpet padding nearing sunset in the unoccupied front bedroom to use as soundproofing in the attic. 12-20-13 was the date. The 6-tube Zenith table radio was tuned to 1010. Static, fading : Music to my ears. Coming in and trading places was a new country station logging (WCNL from NH) and WINS. Then, CFRB joined in. Even at that hour, still very much daylight, WINS and CFRB seemed to occupy their assigned coverage stature and duel, being mixed with this NH station playing cowboy records.
Here's WCNL's 10,000 watt omni daytime pattern :
https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WCNL&service=AM&h=D
Such reception might've been the wintertime daylight skip; perhaps not. But both WINS and CFRB were right there.
Maybe they figure we'll just get an SW portable out and listen to CFRB on CFRX 6070 kHz?
CFRB used to be Class I-A 50 kW nondirectional on 690 before NARBA. Then Canada took over all the Canadian I-As.
CFRB used to be Class I-A 50 kW nondirectional on 690 before NARBA. Then Canada took over all the Canadian I-As.
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My two cents....
Traditionally, 1010 here at night has been a battle of two weak signals. WINS and CFRB. Now that you guys mention it, I realize that it's mostly been WINS lately. I'm not quite sure if WINS is stronger than before. But CFRB has mostly been in the background....if not missing entirely.
As for CFRX. Is that thing (6070) still on? I remember about fifteen years ago being in a hotel about three miles from the CFRB tx site, and the signal wasn't all that great. So much for groundwave on the 49 meter band.
Traditionally, 1010 here at night has been a battle of two weak signals. WINS and CFRB. Now that you guys mention it, I realize that it's mostly been WINS lately. I'm not quite sure if WINS is stronger than before. But CFRB has mostly been in the background....if not missing entirely.
As for CFRX. Is that thing (6070) still on? I remember about fifteen years ago being in a hotel about three miles from the CFRB tx site, and the signal wasn't all that great. So much for groundwave on the 49 meter band.
Have you checked CFRX 6070 in Chicago in the Daytime, CH, Night with the cleared out 49 meter band? How cleared out is it?
I know it used to come in all day long with a longwire SW antenna in SE MI. Very strong even on a small portable around Sunset. Lost in mess at Night from powerful stations on 6070 kHz plus or minus.
Dave at WB8APT 8 blocks down the street from me had a strong signal with a 10 watt AM QRP transmitter on 40 meters on a small portable circa 1969. "WB8APT, WB8 Another Powerful Transmitter, running 10 watts QRP."
I know it used to come in all day long with a longwire SW antenna in SE MI. Very strong even on a small portable around Sunset. Lost in mess at Night from powerful stations on 6070 kHz plus or minus.
Dave at WB8APT 8 blocks down the street from me had a strong signal with a 10 watt AM QRP transmitter on 40 meters on a small portable circa 1969. "WB8APT, WB8 Another Powerful Transmitter, running 10 watts QRP."
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That is way too closer. I was in NW PA for 4 years and the coverage sucked there.
I've heard it quite well in Alaska, Texas and California before.. even have a QSL for it
CFRX is still on the air.
So do I. I remember listening to CFRX, CHNX (6130) and CFCX (6005) in the '60s and '70s from the Boston area. Had QSLs from all of them.
Thanks for the update on CFRX. I hadn't checked 6070 (or anything else on SW) for a while, so I'm a little surprised....but glad...to hear they're still out there. The signal here has always been fair, but listenable and reliable.
As for CHNX and CFCX. I've heard both here on multiple occasions, but each of them were much tougher catches than CFRX. Back in the mid 1990s, I was attending a company meeting on Cape Cod. I don't recall if CFCX was off by then, but CHNX had a nice signal. With oldies. It was a go-to for me in my hotel room that week!
As for CHNX and CFCX. I've heard both here on multiple occasions, but each of them were much tougher catches than CFRX. Back in the mid 1990s, I was attending a company meeting on Cape Cod. I don't recall if CFCX was off by then, but CHNX had a nice signal. With oldies. It was a go-to for me in my hotel room that week!
Other Canadian shortwave relays:
CFCX (6005 kHz Montreal) went off the air in 1999.
CHNX (6130 kHz Halifax) went off the air in September 2001. In its last few years it had been transmitting at very low power (40 to 70 watts).
CKWX (6080 kHz Vancouver) had its license cancelled in 2007 after being off the air for a long time.
CKZN (6160 kHz St. John's) is still on the air, but in 2017 the CBC shut down the transmitter for a few days just to see if anyone was actually listening and would notice the loss (at least a few people did).
CKZU (6160 kHz Vancouver) shut down a few years ago because their old transmitter broke down, parts weren't available to fix it, and they couldn't justify the cost of a new one.
CFVP (6030 kHz Calgary) is still on the air.
CFCX (6005 kHz Montreal) went off the air in 1999.
CHNX (6130 kHz Halifax) went off the air in September 2001. In its last few years it had been transmitting at very low power (40 to 70 watts).
CKWX (6080 kHz Vancouver) had its license cancelled in 2007 after being off the air for a long time.
CKZN (6160 kHz St. John's) is still on the air, but in 2017 the CBC shut down the transmitter for a few days just to see if anyone was actually listening and would notice the loss (at least a few people did).
CKZU (6160 kHz Vancouver) shut down a few years ago because their old transmitter broke down, parts weren't available to fix it, and they couldn't justify the cost of a new one.
CFVP (6030 kHz Calgary) is still on the air.
These were intended to fill in some of the areas in the northern parts of the provinces and the Northwest Territories and date back at least to the 40's. They probably still have listeners in areas where there are no local signals.
Of those stations CKFX (the actual shortwave calls) from Vancouver on 6080 kHz was the toughest to log in the Chicago area. Main reason was the very low power they used (10 Watts). Another reason was that there were powerful stations on 6080 and 6085 khz, such as WYFR from Florida as well Deutche Welle, Voice of America and BBC from various sites using transmitter with power range of 100 kW - 500 kW. It was only in the early morning hours (3 - 6 am) that the 6080 kHz was open making it possible for CKFX to be heard. Even then they had competition from Radio Patagonia in Chile.
I could only hear the three eastern stations in northeastern Massachusetts. I'd listen to Montreal Expos day games on CFCX, as CFCF was the team's flagship in its early years. I still recall hearing their first game, an 11-10 win over the Mets in 1969. The Mets, of course, would win the World Series that year. Oh, how I wished CFRB would become the Blue Jays' flagship in 1977, but it was never to be. But I did get to see their first game on TV! The dorm lounge TV at Syracuse U. could receive CKWS from Kingston, so a little knot of baseball history aficionados were in the dorm lounge that day watching Doug Ault hit two homers as the Jays beat the White Sox at snowy Exhibition Stadium.
As a White Sox fan I do remember that game on TV in 1977. First baseball game I ever saw played in the snow.
Other team debuts I heard or saw were the Rays' (vs. the Tigers via WJR) and the Marlins' (vs. the Dodgers via ESPN). The Nationals' first game was on ESPN, too, but I don't count them because they were an extension of the Expos rather than an expansion team.
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