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Changes Afoot At KYW?

DToTheJ

DToTheJ

On the New York City board, there is news that WINS is changing certain elements of its broadcast in an attempt to get better PPM numbers. Including new themes/sounders for each segment (sports, weather, et al.) and they will also be doing away with lottery results.

Could similar changes be coming to their sister all-news station just up I-95? Note that these are the only two stations that still use the "teletype" sound in the background... one wonders if that, too, will eventually be a casualty of their presentation.
 
The "All News All The Time" format was first tried at WINS, then Westinghouse gave it a try in Philadelphia. I suspect the curent changes will be given a go in Philly if NYC finds them acceptable.

I was surprised that when HD required change in the TOH ID, that KYW didn't just change the whole ID then. Perhaps they were waiting for revisions to the entire jingle/ID package.
 
DToTheJ said:
On the New York City board, there is news that WINS is changing certain elements of its broadcast in an attempt to get better PPM numbers. Including new themes/sounders for each segment (sports, weather, et al.) and they will also be doing away with lottery results.

Could similar changes be coming to their sister all-news station just up I-95? Note that these are the only two stations that still use the "teletype" sound in the background... one wonders if that, too, will eventually be a casualty of their presentation.
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Unlike WINS, KYW is still getting monster ratings. Why would they change anything?

(Also, Philly is down 95 from New York, not up).
 
DToTheJ said:
On the New York City board, there is news that WINS is changing certain elements of its broadcast in an attempt to get better PPM numbers. Including new themes/sounders for each segment (sports, weather, et al.) and they will also be doing away with lottery results.

Could similar changes be coming to their sister all-news station just up I-95? Note that these are the only two stations that still use the "teletype" sound in the background... one wonders if that, too, will eventually be a casualty of their presentation.
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They could be following Los Angeles with their second all-news station. KFWB was second behind KNX and in the end turned talk radio. This may be the case in the NYC as WCBS stays all news while WINS goes talk.

Then again LA is very different from NYC so they could keep two news outlets.

As for Philly, I don't see the one all news going anywhere except for maybe copying KCBS and running a simulcast on FM. But then again Philly is not San Francisco.

All IMHO so YMMV. :D ;)
 
The 12+ PPM numbers don't show the demo of KYW's audience. Being an AM station, does their audience skew to the old side, where adding an FM simulcast might bring in additional listeners of the younger demo?

Somehow, I don't think dropping the sound effect of the teletype will hurt or help. My guess is, people tune in to KYW,during AM/PM drive for traffic, weather, and then the news and features so most probably don't notice the teletype in the background and if they do, they believe the anchor is in the news room next to the teletype and accept that as part of a real news organization. The illusion of radio. The anchor may be wearing a tee shirt and shorts, but the audience probably pictures him as wearing a coat and tie.
 
aindik said:
DToTheJ said:
On the New York City board, there is news that WINS is changing certain elements of its broadcast in an attempt to get better PPM numbers. Including new themes/sounders for each segment (sports, weather, et al.) and they will also be doing away with lottery results.

Could similar changes be coming to their sister all-news station just up I-95? Note that these are the only two stations that still use the "teletype" sound in the background... one wonders if that, too, will eventually be a casualty of their presentation.
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Unlike WINS, KYW is still getting monster ratings. Why would they change anything?

(Also, Philly is down 95 from New York, not up).
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To paraphrase a recent David Eduardo post, WINS is still getting monster billings. Why would they change anything?
 
icybluelake said:
To paraphrase a recent David Eduardo post, WINS is still getting monster billings. Why would they change anything?
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Because you don't wait until the bottom falls out to try to make tweaks to STAY on top.
 
ajc_trw said:
[They could be following Los Angeles with their second all-news station. KFWB was second behind KNX and in the end turned talk radio. This may be the case in the NYC as WCBS stays all news while WINS goes talk.
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LA is very different in that, first, there were less than 5 news shares... less than 4 towards the end. But, more important, CBS is under orders to sell a station and that stastion is KFWB... it was put in a trust and a cheap to maintain talk format put on till it sells, likely for some kind of Asian programming.

The real issue is that all AM audiences are ageing. That's why all news KCBS (AM) added an FM simulcast in San Francisco to try to improve the 25-54 numbers... and they were extremely successful.

WINS and WCBS are among the three highest billing radio stations in the US... maybe the world. Neither is chaging to another format, but each has to keep up with what the audience wants in both style and content.
 
DavidEduardo said:
The real issue is that all AM audiences are ageing. That's why all news KCBS (AM) added an FM simulcast in San Francisco to try to improve the 25-54 numbers... and they were extremely successful.
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And let's not forget WTOP in Washington - an even more successful example of all-news AM stations migrating to FM.

Forget all this WIP-to-94.1 jibber-jabber... in due time, it might just be KYW making the move.
 
aindik said:
Unlike WINS, KYW is still getting monster ratings. Why would they change anything?

(Also, Philly is down 95 from New York, not up).
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Also, the White House is up PA Ave. from the Capitol, not down. I never understood why people say the quadrennial Presidential inaugural parade goes “down” PA Ave. when the WH is west-northwest of the Capitol.

Even more confusing, Buffalo is “down” from Niagara Falls, but is “up” (river) from the latter.

Even MORE confusing, Maine for some reason is labeled is “down” east (not “up” east) from southern New England.

Back towards topic: DavidEduardo (or anyone), what's a "news share"? ???

ixnay
 
DToTheJ said:
DavidEduardo said:
The real issue is that all AM audiences are ageing. That's why all news KCBS (AM) added an FM simulcast in San Francisco to try to improve the 25-54 numbers... and they were extremely successful.
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And let's not forget WTOP in Washington - an even more successful example of all-news AM stations migrating to FM.

Forget all this WIP-to-94.1 jibber-jabber... in due time, it might just be KYW making the move.
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WTOP on AM had a problem KYW doesn't have - its signal didn't reach the whole market.

Just like WIP, or perhaps even more so, there is no reason to flip a successful AM format over to a failing FM signal. If they're getting ratings on 1060, and they are, why would they flip it over to FM?
 
aindik said:
WTOP on AM had a problem KYW doesn't have - its signal didn't reach the whole market.

Just like WIP, or perhaps even more so, there is no reason to flip a successful AM format over to a failing FM signal. If they're getting ratings on 1060, and they are, why would they flip it over to FM?
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While KYW brings in the most money in the market, it will, at some point, need to start attracting the current generation. Sure, people in their 20s and 30s listen to KYW, but they're not listening to the whole, "22 minutes and we'll give you the world." They don't put up with the buzz of driving under a burned-out street light, driving past power lines, under a bridge, or even trying to get an AM station inside a building or house loaded with computers and HDTVs.

Your opinion is correct, though. No one is going to start another all news station in Philadelphia (it's way too expensive to build from the ground up) and since they're the top biller in the city, there's no reason for them to move to FM. There's no reason to move a format that can get listeners on AM off of the AM band.

As for WTOP, they are a news powerhouse in DC. If you want to hear a very well-executed (and modern sounding) all-news format, give WTOP a listen. Several times driving through DC, when I wanted to listen to talk radio I found myself listening to WTOP instead.
 
ixnay said:
Even MORE confusing, Maine for some reason is labeled is “down” east (not “up” east) from southern New England.
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Maine is downwind from places to the south of it. The prevailing winds come from the southwest (places like New Jersey and North Carolina) and blow toward the northeast (Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine, Nova Scotia).
 
ccuphl said:
As for WTOP, they are a news powerhouse in DC. If you want to hear a very well-executed (and modern sounding) all-news format, give WTOP a listen. Several times driving through DC, when I wanted to listen to talk radio I found myself listening to WTOP instead.
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I suppose it's a cross between irony and foregone conclusions that Bonneville shuttered its ill-fated attempt at a talk radio station (3WT) and turned it into a simulcast of WTOP.
 
DToTheJ said:
ccuphl said:
As for WTOP, they are a news powerhouse in DC. If you want to hear a very well-executed (and modern sounding) all-news format, give WTOP a listen. Several times driving through DC, when I wanted to listen to talk radio I found myself listening to WTOP instead.
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I suppose it's a cross between irony and foregone conclusions that Bonneville shuttered its ill-fated attempt at a talk radio station (3WT) and turned it into a simulcast of WTOP.
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1500 is not a simulcast of WTOP. It's the flagship of Bonneville's "Federal News Radio," a station with news geared toward employees of the federal government. It also runs Nationals and Capitals games and some college sports play by play.

107.7 FM out in Warrenton, VA, which had been simulcast with 1500 both when 1500 was WTOP and when it was WWWT, is now back to being a simulcast of WTOP.
 
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