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Changes at K-High 101.9

Kent said:
WRIKER said:
Nope, actually K-HIGH is doing better as an internet radio station then anything! To tell you something, Steve Hamliton has done an exellent job on programming K-high online that you know,
he doesn't need to return to regualr radio! K-High is the best (and I do mean this) the best Smooth Jazz Internet radio, online! I do mean that, I have listened to a lot of Smooth Jazz stations online, and by
all K-High online is the best! THere is nothing like listening to a non commericalized internet radio station like K-high no commericals! That alone should tell you that K-high is the best!
Plus he has been loosing employees left and right.

Good conclusion. Terrible information. You are kidding, right? If not, you wonder why I insinuate you don't know what you're talking about?

While I agree K-High sounds good, it can't last without commercials. They said they were looking for another FM signal for K-High after Bustos sold 101.9. I can't imagine they'll get another signal. I suppose it's possible they could buy one of the former NRC stations (102.3 or 105.5), but that seems unlikely as the new owners will probably want more than K-High's group can afford. Also, KARS-FM 102.9 was recently put into a divestiture trust, and KYEN 103.9 has long been rumored to be for sale. However, if they were to buy those stations, they wouldn't reach enough of Denver to matter anyway. What other Denver stations are for sale?

Well that is your thought, I just stated my own opinion on what i thought about K-High and what I think about it. So no it was not a terrible information and no I am not kidding about my own opinion!
There isn't any Denver station that are up for sale, the only one that is KARS and your correct about it being in a trust, but what you don't know is that i102.9 is up for sale, they want to get rid of the station ASAP, that is why Townsquare media brought in a new manager to run just KARS. Quite frankly there are other ways to make money for a station, and I think Steve has found the other way. Remember stations are not allowed to run regular commercials even though they do do it. That is why Steve hasn't added commericals to the station, since he can't by law.
 
WRIKER said:
There isn't any Denver station that are up for sale, the only one that is KARS and your correct about it being in a trust, but what you don't know is that i102.9 is up for sale, they want to get rid of the station ASAP, that is why Townsquare media brought in a new manager to run just KARS.

The fact that 102.9 is in a trust means it, or another station in Townsquare's Ft. Collins cluster, is for sale. I suspect they'll unload 102.9 because it's doing the poorest.

Quite frankly there are other ways to make money for a station, and I think Steve has found the other way.

I can't see how K-High could be making money. The only ads it has are on the website itself, and those ads have never been enough to subsidize an internet radio station, which costs a minimum of 4 cents per listener per hour. Please enlighten me as to this other way.

Remember stations are not allowed to run regular commercials even though they do do it. That is why Steve hasn't added commericals to the station, since he can't by law.

First of all, that is incoherent. What on earth are you talking about when you say "stations are not allowed to run regular commercials, even though they do it?" If you're saying internet radio stations aren't allowed to run regular commercials, that is completely and totally incorrect. There is no law that prohibits such ads. In fact, non-commercial stations can even include "action items" on internet streams and podcasts that are prohibited by FCC rules from airing on their over-the-air signals!

It is true that AFTRA requires, or at least recently required, extra royalties for spots that air on the internet and that ad agencies prohibit terrestrial stations from airing their spots on the internet. However, there are plenty of ways around that. The easiest is to simply black those spots out from your stream. It's very easy to do on any automation system so long as you stream your signal from your audio chain instead of over the air, and it's not much more difficult to do on stations that air spots on cart or CD or capture their on-air signal to send through the encoder. The last station I worked at captured the over-the-air signal for its stream, and we had agency spots on CD's in red cases. We simply turned off the radio immediately prior to hitting the "Play" button on a CD from a red case and turned it back on once the next spot started! It was crude, but it worked!
 
Kent said:
WRIKER said:
There isn't any Denver station that are up for sale, the only one that is KARS and your correct about it being in a trust, but what you don't know is that i102.9 is up for sale, they want to get rid of the station ASAP, that is why Townsquare media brought in a new manager to run just KARS.

The fact that 102.9 is in a trust means it, or another station in Townsquare's Ft. Collins cluster, is for sale. I suspect they'll unload 102.9 because it's doing the poorest.

Nope just 102.9 all the other stations are safe townsquare just wants to get rid of KAR. Actually they won't until they find a buyer that is most likley why they put another person in charage t manage ROck 102.9.


Quite frankly there are other ways to make money for a station, and I think Steve has found the other way.
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I can't see how K-High could be making money. The only ads it has are on the website itself, and those ads have never been enough to subsidize an internet radio station, which costs a minimum of 4 cents per listener per hour. Please enlighten me as to this other way.

Remember stations are not allowed to run regular commercials even though they do do it. That is why Steve hasn't added commericals to the station, since he can't by law.

First of all, that is incoherent. What on earth are you talking about when you say "stations are not allowed to run regular commercials, even though they do it?" If you're saying internet radio stations aren't allowed to run regular commercials, that is completely and totally incorrect. There is no law that prohibits such ads. In fact, non-commercial stations can even include "action items" on internet streams and podcasts that are prohibited by FCC rules from airing on their over-the-air signals!

It is true that AFTRA requires, or at least recently required, extra royalties for spots that air on the internet and that ad agencies prohibit terrestrial stations from airing their spots on the internet. However, there are plenty of ways around that. The easiest is to simply black those spots out from your stream. It's very easy to do on any automation system so long as you stream your signal from your audio chain instead of over the air, and it's not much more difficult to do on stations that air spots on cart or CD or capture their on-air signal to send through the encoder. The last station I worked at captured the over-the-air signal for its stream, and we had agency spots on CD's in red cases. We simply turned off the radio immediately prior to hitting the "Play" button on a CD from a red case and turned it back on once the next spot started! It was crude, but it worked!
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CD playing WOW! I thought that went out since everyone is using Mp3's now to play their commericals, that is one outdated radio station that you used to work at, and a very hard way to do it to. I know that ll stations now don't even use CD in fact (if you didn't notice all known) computers now do that job(amazing isn't it?).
Nowadays PD's are optng to keep the stream going and play the commerical's anyways since it is to much of a hastle to turn it off and on again. SInce that leads to a major mess and can cause missing a song or having the computer over play the commerical online. Btw I know a thing or two about radio as well. :)
 
WRIKER said:
There isn't any Denver station that are up for sale,
Where are you getting your 411 WRIKER??? Have you forgotten about the LINCOLN FINANCIAL group of stations? Last time I (And I believe most everyone else for that matter) have heard, THERE ARE STILL PLANS TO SELL THESE STATIONS

Though since you like to believe to be the proverbial "Know-It-All" around here, I'll leave a bit of room in case I am wrong because just as sure as I don't, you'll more than likely be glad to point out how wrong I am (Why not? You do it with everyone else whom you regularly disagree with).

And then you sometimes wonder why this board is becoming another DenverRadio.net Ironic......

Cheers :D
 
Pat Cook said:
Where are you getting your 411 WRIKER??? Have you forgotten about the LINCOLN FINANCIAL group of stations? Last time I (And I believe most everyone else for that matter) have heard, THERE ARE STILL PLANS TO SELL THESE STATIONS


Sorry, but I have to take up for WRIKER on this one! While the LFM stations are definitely for sale at the right price, they couldn't get that price before the market dropped out. There's no way they'll get it now. Besides, even if they could, the people running K-High wouldn't be able to afford any of the station, or at least any of those on FM.
 
WRIKER said:
Nope just 102.9 all the other stations are safe townsquare just wants to get rid of KAR. Actually they won't until they find a buyer that is most likley why they put another person in charage t manage ROck 102.9.

Like I said, that's my theory, too. However, they could sell any one station in Ft. Collins to comply with FCC ownership limits. I can remember in '96 when Infinity Broadcasting (before the CBS merger) put KLUV Dallas into a trust simply because it was in a separate location from their other stations. Their intention was always to divest one of their other stations, but they couldn't put it into a trust as easily because it was co-located with the former KYNG 105.3. Of course, I don't think this applies to Townsquare in Ft. Collins because they probably wouldn't put 102.9 into a divestiture trust if they were planning to unload something else as all of their properties are in the same location.

By the way, the rules for establishing a divestiture trust requires the station in that trust to have a different general manager. It's also usually moved to a separate location because stations in a trust can't show any form of operation in combination with the formerly co-owned stations. If they do share services, they have to be very careful and to do some very meticulous accounting as the stations in trust are required to pay for those services. They also have to pay the market value for those services and must use the station's profits to cover those services. I remember when the old Capstar bought Triathalon in either '98 or '99. They had too many stations in Wichita and put some of the extra stations into a trust. The people who worked for the stations in a trust said it was a terrible situation. Triathalon did a terrible job supporting them when they owned them, and it was far worse when they couldn't depend on Triathalon or AMFM for support!

CD playing WOW! I thought that went out since everyone is using Mp3's now to play their commericals, that is one outdated radio station that you used to work at, and a very hard way to do it to. I know that ll stations now don't even use CD in fact (if you didn't notice all known) computers now do that job(amazing isn't it?).
Nowadays PD's are optng to keep the stream going and play the commerical's anyways since it is to much of a hastle to turn it off and on again. SInce that leads to a major mess and can cause missing a song or having the computer over play the commerical online. Btw I know a thing or two about radio as well. :)

Having worked with various automation systems, all of them have ways to black out the agency spots. The simplest way is to send everything through your encoder, and you can just tell the streaming software to block commercial numbers of AFTRA spots. Also, I understand the AFTRA royalty doesn't apply to spots that were cut specifically for the internet. So, you could air the same spot on both your stream and your air signal, you'd just have to originate one on your over-the-air machine and the other, cut specifically for streaming, on your streaming machine! Of course, most agencies don't go to those levels unless it involves extremely large clients.

Yes, the last station I worked for used CD's for music and agency spots. That, by the way, was only a year and a half ago! I was actually trying to push the owner and the PD into getting a full-scale automation system, especially after we acquired two stations that used Maestro. However, the owner said he felt like running music off of computer was bad business. He also complained he could tell the difference between playing songs off of CD and off of computer because of the compression ratio. The PD quickly told me to shut up because he was afraid the owner would start firing people once he realized how easy automating the stations really was! I argued that was a non-issue because he was keeping Maestro on the two other stations and would find out anyway. Ultimately, that was what happened, though it took him two and a half years to figure it out!

By contrast, in '01, I worked at KOQL in Columbia, MO. That was the first station in the entire country to put all of its music on hard drive. The year was '95, and the entire music library was on eight hard discs cabled together! The computer had the sides taken off with only two or three of the hard drives being mounted inside the machine. The other ones were stacked on top of each other on the top of the case!
 
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