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Changes at Lite-fm?

The interesting thing is, listeners will probably still interpret 106.7 as 'Lite FM'

Neo, I believe that 106.7 could indeed already be losing the reputation to being easy to listen to in the office. While the recent trend has been for adult contemporary stations to become more upbeat, Lite FM, er 106.7 has gone way up on the 'upbeat scale'. Lots of disco and hard rock, it's like they want to sound like PLJ!

These days, Fresh would seem more office friendly than Lite, I mean 106.7.
 
Kevin said:
The interesting thing is, listeners will probably still interpret 106.7 as 'Lite FM'

Neo, I believe that 106.7 could indeed already be losing the reputation to being easy to listen to in the office. While the recent trend has been for adult contemporary stations to become more upbeat, Lite FM, er 106.7 has gone way up on the 'upbeat scale'. Lots of disco and hard rock, it's like they want to sound like PLJ!

These days, Fresh would seem more office friendly than Lite, I mean 106.7.

You are absolutely right. What I was getting at though is, despite the music mix moving in a contrary direction, Lite FM has established a brand name as the "office" station in New York City. The "Lite" name is an integral part of that brand.

I would not be surprised to see 106.7 referred to as "Lite" for a very long time, even if the name is officially ditched completely. At the same time, between shedding the established brand name to a generic (and harder to remember) "New York's 106.7" and really ratcheting up the music, they may be playing into Fresh's hands--as long as Fresh stays true to its name and keeps the music fresh, which is one factor which has helped Lite do so well for so many years.
 
I find it very difficult to not say 'Lite FM'.

While I believe it was a stupid move, Lite FM really wasn't true to their name the past few years, so...
 
neo11 said:
Kevin said:
The interesting thing is, listeners will probably still interpret 106.7 as 'Lite FM'

Neo, I believe that 106.7 could indeed already be losing the reputation to being easy to listen to in the office. While the recent trend has been for adult contemporary stations to become more upbeat, Lite FM, er 106.7 has gone way up on the 'upbeat scale'. Lots of disco and hard rock, it's like they want to sound like PLJ!

These days, Fresh would seem more office friendly than Lite, I mean 106.7.

You are absolutely right. What I was getting at though is, despite the music mix moving in a contrary direction, Lite FM has established a brand name as the "office" station in New York City. The "Lite" name is an integral part of that brand.

Though consider, perhaps, that just like the label "Lite", the whole concept of listening to radio in the office might now be deemed old and outmoded--a victim of iPods, alternate music-stream sources, lack of musical consensus and the medium's own inherent distracting crassness. It's the kind of thing one associates with liver-spotted Lucy Carmichael types.
 
neo11 said:
I would not be surprised to see 106.7 referred to as "Lite" for a very long time, even if the name is officially ditched completely.

It is at this point it becomes a question of marketing and promotion, and how serious the management at CC/NY really are about reimaging the station. If CC/NY are serious about reinventing the station, they will need to do a lot of promotional work to get "New York's, 106.7" into the head of the average listener who has the heritage "LITE" brand burnt into their head.
 
Lee Anderson said:
neo11 said:
I would not be surprised to see 106.7 referred to as "Lite" for a very long time, even if the name is officially ditched completely.

It is at this point it becomes a question of marketing and promotion, and how serious the management at CC/NY really are about reimaging the station. If CC/NY are serious about reinventing the station, they will need to do a lot of promotional work to get "New York's, 106.7" into the head of the average listener who has the heritage "LITE" brand burnt into their head.


I think it's fantastic. Repositioning themselves as New York's 106.7 draws younger listeners who might otherwise associate LITE with older sappy listeners/music.
It's often all in the monkier. That being said, changing their monkier will do nothing to steer away those office listeners whose dials are stuck on 106.7.
I guess they realize Fresh could do some serious damage.
 
I think it makes sense to dump a name that doesn't make sense anymore, but why come up with such a non-name? It almost screams "we couldn't think of a name!"
 
cawasinnj said:
I think it makes sense to dump a name that doesn't make sense anymore, but why come up with such a non-name? It almost screams "we couldn't think of a name!"

Personally I think it's very much a name and a good one. It represents New York.
 
Jeffrey said:
Personally I think it's very much a name and a good one. It represents New York.

And nothing else.

If you're going to come up with a positioner, have it actually represent something.
 
I think it's a good move to slowly move away from the "Lite" moniker, but as previous posts have illustrated, it will take time for people to stop referring to it as such. The reason being, the format, though no longer considered "Lite", is remaining status quo. If they had flipped the format completely, a name change is easier for listeners to accept.

Back in 1979, NYC's FM Top 40 Legend 99X started moving towards AC. They changed the station ID's in increments. First, the went from 99X to 99X-FM to 99 FM. A month or so later, they simply flipped that to FM 99. I can remember people bemoaning how they "killed" 99X, much the way they talk about Jack/CBS-FM, although not quite as fanatical. Less than two years later, after a drop in ratings, they dumped the AC format and became Urban Powerhouse KISS 98.7, where they dominated NYC ratings for the next couple of years.
 
Re: Sounds like a Fresh reaction

chuckydoll said:
The old web address still works -- it's a mirror of the new website. Also, "WLTW New York's 106.7" does not constitute a legal ID per FCC rules.

Yes...it does.
 
cawasinnj said:
If you're going to come up with a positioner, have it actually represent something.

Exactly. "Lite FM" has a strong brand recognition in NY, and listeners will continue to refer to the station as "Lite" for years to come. The brand had been established and listeners are used to it. "New York's 106.7" says nothing about the station except that it's from NY, which everybody already knows. This does not make it stand out among other NY station. Station branding (i.e. it's moniker) must say something about the station itself in order to be fully effective (examples - K-Rock, Hot 97, Kiss FM, Fresh 102.7, Power 105, Mix, etc.) - these are brands that are recognized in the NY radio market.

My suggestion would be to call the station "106.7 WLTW - The Best Variety of Yesterday and Today" or, dare I say it, "Mix 106.7" Come on, 106.7, you are the #1 station in NY...be creative!!
 
NJMike said:
"Lite FM" has a strong brand recognition in NY, and listeners will continue to refer to the station as "Lite" for years to come... My suggestion would be to call the station "106.7 WLTW - The Best Variety of Yesterday and Today" or, dare I say it, "Mix 106.7" Come on, 106.7, you are the #1 station in NY...be creative!!

I don't think so... I'm still referring to 105.1 as "Mix 105"...
 
NJMike said:
Exactly. "Lite FM" has a strong brand recognition in NY,

I am reasonably sure the station did considerable research, probably motivated in planning for the Arbitron PPM coming in September. Much branding has ben done to reinforce the ability to remember what you listened to hours later when you fill in your diary. The PPM does not measure memory ability, hence the lesser importance of branding for recall.

The other issue is that the "Lite" name very likely means Manilow, Streisand and Carpenters to many listeners. It may conceivable be an impediment to converting younger end listeners to users. The music is not "lite." And since only 8% of the staiton listeners write only "Lite" (or, "Light") in the diary, the name is not of great value... 92% write down the dial position.

Successful AC stations invite in people who come of age to listen to AC, and, consequentially, dismiss those they don't want... those over 55.

This name change really reflects the evolution of the station from a different kind of AC.

and listeners will continue to refer to the station as "Lite" for years to come.

Well, 92% refer to it already as a number. So my assumption is that only the oldest demos have any attachment to the name, and it is irrelevant.

The brand had been established and listeners are used to it.

Yet listeners think first of 106.7, not the name.

"New York's 106.7" says nothing about the station except that it's from NY, which everybody already knows.

No, it tells the most important thing: where to go for this kind of music.... which is not "lite" anymore, anyway.

This does not make it stand out among other NY station.

Unless there are two stations on 106.7, the exact address is the most powerful item for PPM branding.

Station branding (i.e. it's moniker) must say something about the station itself in order to be fully effective (examples - K-Rock, Hot 97, Kiss FM, Fresh 102.7, Power 105, Mix, etc.) - these are brands that are recognized in the NY radio market.

This is in part because the names reflect the current format. "Lite" is an impediment.

My suggestion would be to call the station "106.7 WLTW - The Best Variety of Yesterday and Today" or, dare I say it, "Mix 106.7" Come on, 106.7, you are the #1 station in NY...be creative!!

Hardly anyone writes down calls for a music station. They are singularly non-memorable. And I would not want to brand any station by positioning it as "yesterday" as in today's media intensive world, "yesterday" is old and negative.

For PPM, it's a whole new world of branding and marketing. WLTW gets it.
 
DavidEduardo said:
NJMike said:
Exactly. "Lite FM" has a strong brand recognition in NY,

I am reasonably sure the station did considerable research, probably motivated in planning for the Arbitron PPM coming in September. Much branding has ben done to reinforce the ability to remember what you listened to hours later when you fill in your diary. The PPM does not measure memory ability, hence the lesser importance of branding for recall.

The PPM may not measure memory ability, as you said, but Lite is much more "identifiable" than "New York's 106.7." Certainly it's a mouthful if you're discussing what your favorite radio station is.

The other issue is that the "Lite" name very likely means Manilow, Streisand and Carpenters to many listeners. It may conceivable be an impediment to converting younger end listeners to users. The music is not "lite." And since only 8% of the staiton listeners write only "Lite" (or, "Light") in the diary, the name is not of great value... 92% write down the dial position.

Does it? Sure, Fresh's ad campaign has been based, in part, on making the competitor (Lite) seem "old." But with the station's strong ratings, book after book, whatever perception people may have had about Lite doesn't seem to have affected their success and billing...#1 in the nation. That's not the sign of a station that is in danger of sounding old.

Successful AC stations invite in people who come of age to listen to AC, and, consequentially, dismiss those they don't want... those over 55.

Yes they do, but Lite has been doing it successfully for years. Yes, being the only game in town (at least in the five boroughs) has helped, but they did not get to #1 in ratings and billing "by default." The Lite name certainly didn't stop those listeners from tuning to the station.

This name change really reflects the evolution of the station from a different kind of AC.

and listeners will continue to refer to the station as "Lite" for years to come.

Well, 92% refer to it already as a number. So my assumption is that only the oldest demos have any attachment to the name, and it is irrelevant.

I don't doubt that that's what the numbers are saying, but I think in most everyday interactions, people refer to the station they listen to "by name"-that is, they listen to "Lite," or to "Hot 97," or to "Kiss FM" or to "Z100" instead of 106.7, 97.1, 98.7 or 100.3.

The brand had been established and listeners are used to it.

Yet listeners think first of 106.7, not the name.

"New York's 106.7" says nothing about the station except that it's from NY, which everybody already knows.

No, it tells the most important thing: where to go for this kind of music.... which is not "lite" anymore, anyway.[/quote]

Exactly where does it say that? New York's 106.7 can be airing polka music for all I know.

This does not make it stand out among other NY station.

Unless there are two stations on 106.7, the exact address is the most powerful item for PPM branding.
[/quote]

So why not "106.7 Lite FM" instead of "New York's 106.7"? Especially when considering that for two decades, Lite has done well with that name.

Station branding (i.e. it's moniker) must say something about the station itself in order to be fully effective (examples - K-Rock, Hot 97, Kiss FM, Fresh 102.7, Power 105, Mix, etc.) - these are brands that are recognized in the NY radio market.

This is in part because the names reflect the current format. "Lite" is an impediment. [/quote]

The numbers and billing say the opposite. I know they are feeling a little pressure from Fresh, but my feeling is, people are going to switch the station due to the music, not the name. And especially if what you're saying is true, that 92% of listeners identify a station by its position - in this case 106.7 - then whatever "stigma" that may exist of listening to the "Lite" station shouldn't exist, right? Because people remember the station by the frequency, not the name (according to what you're saying).

My suggestion would be to call the station "106.7 WLTW - The Best Variety of Yesterday and Today" or, dare I say it, "Mix 106.7" Come on, 106.7, you are the #1 station in NY...be creative!!

Hardly anyone writes down calls for a music station. They are singularly non-memorable. And I would not want to brand any station by positioning it as "yesterday" as in today's media intensive world, "yesterday" is old and negative. [/quote]

"Mix 106.7" has the station's frequency listed just as prominently as "New York's 106.7" and better describes the music the station airs. What does "New York's" station air? Polka? Country? Reggaeton? Yodeling?

For PPM, it's a whole new world of branding and marketing. WLTW gets it.

I don't see what difference it makes, quite honestly. If a name like "Lite FM" wasn't enough to stop 92% of those who completed diaries to write "106.7" then the change seems entirely unnecessary to me.
 
"WLTW New York's 106.7" does not constitute a legal ID per FCC rules

chuckydoll, please explain why that does not constitute a legal ID.
 
NJMike said:
My suggestion would be to call the station "106.7 WLTW - The Best Variety of Yesterday and Today" or, dare I say it, "Mix 106.7" Come on, 106.7, you are the #1 station in NY...be creative!!
My suggestion would be to drop the idea of "The Best Variety of Yesterday and Today" immediately. Because a slogan like that, just as much as the label "Lite", suggests a drearily outmoded 80s model of pre-chewed AC radio aimed at timid Stepford listeners.

If that's "being creative", then this kind of radio (and radio fandom) truly is in brain-dead terminal shape...
 
Johnny Morgan said:
"WLTW New York's 106.7" does not constitute a legal ID per FCC rules

chuckydoll, please explain why that does not constitute a legal ID.

This is what the FCC says: (1) Official station identification shall consist of
the station's call letters immediately followed by the community or
communities specified in its license as the station's location;
Provided, That the name of the licensee, the station's frequency, the
station's channel number, as stated on the station's license, and/or the
station's network affiliation may be inserted between the call letters
and station location.

So "WLTW New York's" includes "WLTW New York" so my guess is that it would pass muster as a legit legal ID.
 
neo11 said:
So "WLTW New York's" includes "WLTW New York" so my guess is that it would pass muster as a legit legal ID.

Not unless the city of license is listed as "New York's". I'll save you the trouble of looking it up, it isn't. :)

Not a legal ID. Sorry. Of course you can get away with whispering the calls and COL at 15 before the top of the hour in the middle of a 10 minute stopset when nobody will notice, so it really doesn't matter.
 
I dunno, I scanned the dial yesterday after 5 PM, and Rich Kaminski talked up the next song by using the old branding - I clearly heard him say the word "Lite". I guess this new mandate is gonna take awhile for even its own personalities to get used to, let alone 20 million people...
 
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