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Changes at News Talk 910
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radcat said:Len Tillem, Ed Baxter and John Rothmann all let go. Format change on 910?
It's understandable to some extent. Rothmann and Baxter were doing short commentaries. Were they hired or were they independent contractors? If they had been hired it might have been in anticipation of a ratings leap that just didn't happen. Perhaps the original idea was to have Baxter and Rothmann do additional talkshows.
As to Len Tillem, while he's entertaining and does spread some good legal advice, his concentration on wills, trusts, nursing homes, and other "old folks" stuff is exactly NOT the kind of programming KKSF should want to promote. There are all kinds of things he COULD have touched on that would have appealed to a younger audience, but he never did. For instance, the legal loopholes of recording contracts for all those folks with garage bands. The legality of making backup copies of MP3s. Intellectual properties in software, etc. He never once touched on any of that.
I'd like to hear Gil Gross from noon to 3, then Alan Colmes live from 3 to 6pm. Otherwise I have to choose between "All Things Considered" and Gil Gross, a choice I don't want to have to make. Plus, moving Colmes' live show from 7pm to 3pm has resulted in his show now being on delay here. He should be live.
radcat said:Len Tillem, Ed Baxter and John Rothmann all let go. Format change on 910?
Len Tillem talks to Jon Favreau about being canned from KKSF. It's the first podcast in the list.
http://www.lentillem.com/podcasts/
I really liked John Rothamnn's show when he was on a previous station. I don't get 910 on my home radio (but yes in my car). I understand that he only had a two minute commentary on 910 and maybe occasional fill in there. I always enjoyed that when I heard it (but didn't he have his own show for a while?) I'd say that John Rothmann was my favorite person on the radio at this time. A big shame on them that 910 lost him. I hope he gets back on the air soon and in an area that my San Jose home radio gets.radcat said:Len Tillem, Ed Baxter and John Rothmann all let go. Format change on 910?
I always liked Len's show too. Would listen to that if in my car. There was no better choice on the dial than his show during that time slot.
DavidKaye said:radcat said:Len Tillem, Ed Baxter and John Rothmann all let go. Format change on 910?
Len Tillem talks to Jon Favreau about being canned from KKSF. It's the first podcast in the list.
http://www.lentillem.com/podcasts/
Thanks for posting that. I'm about half way through and enjoying it.
DavidKaye said:radcat said:Len Tillem, Ed Baxter and John Rothmann all let go. Format change on 910?
..........As to Len Tillem, while he's entertaining and does spread some good legal advice, his concentration on wills, trusts, nursing homes, and other "old folks" stuff is exactly NOT the kind of programming KKSF should want to promote. There are all kinds of things he COULD have touched on that would have appealed to a younger audience, but he never did. For instance, the legal loopholes of recording contracts for all those folks with garage bands. The legality of making backup copies of MP3s. Intellectual properties in software, etc. He never once touched on any of that.............
I didn't listen to most of Len's shows even when he was on 810 because I was working 4 of his 5 days and the 5th maybe not near a radio, and when he was on 910, because I don't receive it on my home radio. However, I have heard his show dozens (scores?) of times and I think he had a great variety. He DID take on topics that would interest young people. For example, cops finding pot in their car. He didn't really concentrate on old people stuff when I listened. He would mention over and over that it's his specialty, but didn't take a lot of calls on it.
Did anyone ever call with a garage band question? If so, did the call screener let them on?
good points, Len could have talked about living together/roomates, student loans, establishing credit, car financing, etc. but he specialized in elder law and that is what he talked about. Rothman is OK, but as people have said in the past he talks to much about the middle east, and on the West Coast, Asia is just as important or more so.
HCochet said:I didn't listen to most of Len's shows even when he was on 810 because I was working 4 of his 5 days and the 5th maybe not near a radio, and when he was on 910, because I don't receive it on my home radio. However, I have heard his show dozens (scores?) of times and I think he had a great variety. He DID take on topics that would interest young people. For example, cops finding pot in their car. He didn't really concentrate on old people stuff when I listened. He would mention over and over that it's his specialty, but didn't take a lot of calls on it.
Did anyone ever call with a garage band question? If so, did the call screener let them on?
When he moved to KKSF 910 he pushed the old-folks stuff really really hard compared to when he was on KGO. It's likely that KGO steered him and KKSF didn't. As to garage band questions, it's a chicken and egg thing. Bring on a specialist who knows about garage band law and the calls will come in.
KALW 91.7 has a very dry legal program which has been on Wednesday nights at 7 for over 20 years. Hosted by Chuck Finney, it's called "Your Legal Rights". Chuck brings in experts on all kinds of issues and even though KALW has a minimalist signal, the show gets calls specific to the guests they have.
Tillem went on and on about trusts.
And his firm specializes in elder trusts. Very often his show was one big infomercial.
Very unethical and makes for boring radio.
Good riddance.
Note to Len:
Stop deluding yourself with this "I am still on the internet" stuff.
Nobody, I mean absolutely NOBODY, is gonna tune in to hear a pushy lawyer podcast.
What a joke.
And his firm specializes in elder trusts. Very often his show was one big infomercial.
Very unethical and makes for boring radio.
Good riddance.
Note to Len:
Stop deluding yourself with this "I am still on the internet" stuff.
Nobody, I mean absolutely NOBODY, is gonna tune in to hear a pushy lawyer podcast.
What a joke.
Sal_Rizzo said:Note to Len:
Stop deluding yourself with this "I am still on the internet" stuff.
Nobody, I mean absolutely NOBODY, is gonna tune in to hear a pushy lawyer podcast.
What a joke.
There are some shows that are suitable as podcasts such as the documentaries produced by the Kitchen Sisters from Santa Cruz, the "Moth Radio Hour", "This American Life", and of course my favorite, "Radiolab". But I agree that pushy lawyertalk isn't a format that works well with podcasts.
The hyper-excitement exhibited by Len and Jon on the podcast I referenced is a dead giveaway that they don't think it'll work, either. And Len was talking about wanting to "pick up a few stations". But he's got to change his tune and expand to topics that interest more than 10% of the listeners or he'll get fired for the 3rd time.
These radio host's just can't please everyone! Oh well! And everyone is a critic on these boards, but it's amazing how the San Francisco board stands out above all the rest!
Seems another change was to drop 'News' from the station's name. Website and all Produced Imaging (and host talk) now just says "Talk 910." Looks like with KGO and KCBS fighting over the 'News' handle, CC has decided to focus solely on 'Talk.' I'm enjoying the extra hour of Gil Gross in afternoons!
I think one difference is that with terrestrial broadcasting, the FCC has limited supply. That is, there is a limit to the number of competitors in a single market. With podcasting, however, the competition level is enormous. Combine that idea with the unfamiliarity people have with "consuming" radio as a podcast that has developed over the many years radio has served the public, then no single podcaster can get the kind of traction they may have been used to in their market when they were actually on-the-air.
910 seems all over the place, serving difference auidiences throughout the day. The day starts off with the seemingly younger targeted A&G, followed by the older and more conservative oriented Rush Limbaugh and Tom Sullivan. Then a still older but probably more liberal auidence for Gil Gross and Alan Colmes. The imaging sounds very flat and boring. The tagline "san francisco's talk station" seems like it was concieved by an outsider, when it could be something more inclucive like "the bay area's talk station". What a shame too, imagine what that station could do with a little TLC...they have already caught up to KSFO.
As for 960, I think I could see a comedy format being more successful
As for 960, I think I could see a comedy format being more successful
travisl5678 said:910 seems all over the place, serving difference auidiences throughout the day.
I'm thinking that KKSF 910 is taking the easy way out by being the Fox News Radio outlet, which is Tom Sullivan, Alan Colmes, and the network news. Gil Gross and the daytime newscasts bring in the local content. Armstrong & Getty is the CC regional syndicated show (KKSF, KWSX Modesto, KSTE Sacto). So, from a sales standpoint it's an interesting mix. I'm not sure how well it will do for listeners, though. It looks like it peaked about 6 months ago.
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