Changes in Demographics: America is getting older

[Kelly A]

Then the problem of the way the court works needs solving, not barring all teens from working.

As I said; this isn't the turn of the century anymore. Children need the opportunity to do what's needed for a successful future. Parents otherwise occupied by social media and not parenting aren't paying attention. Sometimes society needs to adjust to current times and protect kids, even if they aren't your own.

And thus, legislation and systems need to prevent expolitation, not the ability to have a part time job.

Or maybe we need to get exploitation under control at least to existing laws, before tossing more kids into the mix?

I created my own "part time job" at about age 10. I had about 15 to 20 hours a week when I was 13. I found school very boring and no challenge at all, so working "in the real world" was far more productive. And, aided by investing, by 18 I could build and run my own radio station.

As I said, things are different than when you and I were young. I had several paper routes and mowed lawns. Good luck finding any of that sort of work today. Conservatives have been banging on about how kids aren't being properly educated in the basics, banning books, and shedding crocodile tears about how kids are missing out on an education. But businesses are looking for cheap labor, so let's lower the age kids can work full time, particularly in red states. That'll help the meat packing industry who lost a lot of workers during the pandemic. Talking out both sides of their faces.

 

[gr8oldies]

As I said; this isn't the turn of the century anymore. Children need the opportunity to do what's needed for a successful future. Parents otherwise occupied by social

media and not parenting aren't paying attention. Sometimes society needs to adjust to current times and protect kids, even if they aren't your own.

Or maybe we need to get exploitation under control at least to existing laws, before tossing more kids into the mix?

As I said, things are different than when you and I were young. I had several paper routes and mowed lawns. Good luck finding any of that sort of work today. Conservatives have been banging on about how kids aren't being properly educated in the basics, banning books, and shedding crocodile tears about how kids are missing out on an education. But businesses are looking for cheap labor, so let's lower the age kids can work full time, particularly in red states. That'll help the meat packing industry who lost a lot of workers during the pandemic. Talking out both sides of their faces.

Since MAGA doesn't like scary brown immigrants, they want to have child labor instead. The kids won't get woke or be gay if they're 12 hours a day at Tyson. (this is different than a couple of hours after school).

New law weakening child labor protections in Arkansas takes effect

Work permits as of Aug. 1 are no longer required for children younger than 16 in Arkansas under the new Youth Hiring Act of 2023.

www.kuaf.com

 

[davideduardo]

Since MAGA doesn't like scary brown immigrants, they want to have child labor instead.

Most of my friends who are "scary brown immigrants" are also Republicans.

So saying that Republicans don't welcome Hispanics is an unfortunate generalization.

 

[semoochie]

No one is a Republican in this day and age without being misled about what a Republican is!

 

[boombox4]

No one is a Republican in this day and age without being misled about what a Republican is!

Definitions change.

 

[michael hagerty]

Definitions change.

"I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me."

---Ronald Reagan, 1962

Go back 100 years before that and the Republicans and Democrats were polar opposites of where they were in 1962.

Times change, people forget (or weren't around to remember why previous generations took positions), and above all:

Political parties lean hard into whatever wins elections. Sometimes they're really late to realize that a strategy has played out or that a situation has changed. And the truth is that the same strategies and policies that win primary elections often fall flat in general elections.

 

[gr8oldies]

Most of my friends who are "scary brown immigrants" are also Republicans.

So saying that Republicans don't welcome Hispanics is an unfortunate generalization.

First, I am told that everyone not Trump-aligned is a RINO. You may know the brand that's called RINO.

 

[Kelly A]

First, I am told that everyone not Trump-aligned is a RINO. You may know the brand that's called RINO.

Thread just took a hard political turn, now, didn't it?

 

[AbrahamJSimpson]

Paper route? What's that? Oh wait, I had one. Summers were great--I could load up a batch on my bike, deliver them and repeat the process a few rounds to get them all out. Then there was the door to door collection of the money. Ah how young and foolish we were.

But really, making it easier to exploit kids is not going to go well. Here in this century with the way things are, it bears little resemblance to decades ago. "Burdensome" regulations also mean pesky little things like maintaining a safe environment, limiting the hours for underage kids to work...all those horrible big gub'ment things.

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater? The bathwater is a toxic sludge already, and loosening regulations isn't going to make it any better.

 

[kevtronics]

"Burdensome regulations" are what got us the five-day, 40-hour workweek and the Labor Day holiday we just celebrated.

 

[michael hagerty]

"Burdensome regulations" only exist because, time and again, over decades and now centuries (19th, 20th and 21st), businesses have shown they give less than a f*** about the welfare of their employees and their customers, especially if that welfare conflicts with profit.

 

[Mark Roberts]

Definitions change.

Whigs flip.

 

[boombox4]

Let's try to steer this back towards the topic of the thread. Changing demographics, and its potential effects on radio.

Politics aside, it looks like the NE and Florida are aging more rapidly than the West and flyover country.

Looks like AM radio may last longer in Maine, NH, Vermont, Florida, and WV than in Utah and Texas.

 

[radiofan2023]

Let's try to steer this back towards the topic of the thread. Changing demographics, and its potential effects on radio.

Politics aside, it looks like the NE and Florida are aging more rapidly than the West and flyover country.

Looks like AM radio may last longer in Maine, NH, Vermont, Florida, and WV than in Utah and Texas.

If they’re aging more rapidly in the Northeast & Florida, AM will die sooner there as the audience (which is older) dies off, or it will die sooner there because there are more old people listening to it, the stations won’t be able to get or charge enough for advertising to make money and they’ll get sold or shut down.

 

[TheBigA]

Looks like AM radio may last longer in Maine, NH, Vermont, Florida, and WV than in Utah and Texas.

My sense is that Seattle and San Francisco have the lowest radio usage per capita among the majors.

 

[davideduardo]

Let's try to steer this back towards the topic of the thread. Changing demographics, and its potential effects on radio.

Politics aside, it looks like the NE and Florida are aging more rapidly than the West and flyover country.

Looks like AM radio may last longer in Maine, NH, Vermont, Florida, and WV than in Utah and Texas.

The problem in all those states is that they were late to the party when the best AM facilities were requested and built.

Florida, Mane, NH and Vermont have no (former) 1-A and 1-B clear channels.

In Florida, practically the only high power stations are located "inland" of their coastal market and the power is shot over the Atlantic or the Gulf. Orlando stations shoot over the Everglades or are lower power. ME, NH and VT have no really good AM facilities. The only significant one in WV is WWVA, and at night all the power shoots over PA and Maryland, not West Virginia.

In Florida, the largest retirement areas are outside the coverage areas of stations in the larger markets. Think "The Villages".

While those residents of The Villages have their own nostalgia station, most of the rest of those states and areas really have no decent AM stations specifically targeting older demos.

 

[davideduardo]

My sense is that Seattle and San Francisco have the lowest radio usage per capita among the majors.

You'd have to look at the PUR in Nielsen for all the PPM markets together, and then for diary markets.

Average rating and Cume reach on 12+
SF is 3.6. and 73.6
Dallas it is 4.5 and 78.3
LA is it is 4.4 and 79.4
NYC is 4.4 and 78.0

If you run on 18+, the numbers go up by about 5 points. On 25+, it is about 6 points. And the differences between markets decrease. So the influencing factor in radio usage is Teens and 18-24's.

 

[Kelly A]

My sense is that Seattle and San Francisco have the lowest radio usage per capita among the majors.

Having lived and worked in Seattle radio for many years, I agree with that sense.

 

[vchimpanzee]

While those residents of The Villages have their own nostalgia station, most of the rest of those states and areas really have no decent AM stations specifically targeting older demos.

As you may be aware and I have posted here, the format is hardly "nostalgia". I have concluded it is a format best described as "classic hits" rather than "oldies". While there are some good songs, it isn't even as good as the satellite format I get on an actual radio where I live.