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Channel 8 and "Wake Up"

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Is it just me or does the interaction between John Stehlin and Melanie Barnas seem, more often than not, awkward? Maybe it is more noticable because the former "Wake Up" team seemed to get along so well. I also notice the same thing between John and many of the guests that he interviews. Any thoughts?
 
> Is it just me or does the interaction between John Stehlin
> and Melanie Barnas seem, more often than not, awkward?
> Maybe it is more noticable because the former "Wake Up" team
> seemed to get along so well. I also notice the same thing
> between John and many of the guests that he interviews. Any
> thoughts?
>
It's not you. The chemistry that once made "Wake Up Rochester" a decent show was obliterated when WROC's front office decided to break up the team of Cathy Orosz, Christine Crafts and Rob Haswell.
Since that’s occurred, the show isn’t even worth watching anymore.
The only decent early morning program on Rochester TV is on Channel 10. That’s due in large part to Rebecca LeClair’s personality. As for 13, if you like continuous commercials, weather updates every few minutes, and mindless chatter, then that’s the station to watch.
 
> I thought Mike Vickers was the weatherman on "Wake Up"
>
John Stehlin sounds a lot like Mike Vickers (and may even bear a bit of a resemblance), but he is not Mike Vickers.
 
> > I thought Mike Vickers was the weatherman on "Wake Up"
> >
> John Stehlin sounds a lot like Mike Vickers (and may even
> bear a bit of a resemblance), but he is not Mike Vickers.
>
What you are reading is an attempt by an individual to mix poor humor with blatant racism. In other words all black people on TV look alike.
I’m surprised that he doesn’t claim Wanda Miller anchors Channel 10’s evening news because her skin is the same color as Janet Lomax. Or that Diane Sawyer co-anchors the news on WHAM TV because she is blonde like Ginny Ryan.
 
> > > I thought Mike Vickers was the weatherman on "Wake Up"
> > >
> > John Stehlin sounds a lot like Mike Vickers (and may even
> > bear a bit of a resemblance), but he is not Mike Vickers.
> >
> What you are reading is an attempt by an individual to mix
> poor humor with blatant racism. In other words all black
> people on TV look alike.
> I’m surprised that he doesn’t claim Wanda Miller anchors
> Channel 10’s evening news because her skin is the same color
> as Janet Lomax. Or that Diane Sawyer co-anchors the news on
> WHAM TV because she is blonde like Ginny Ryan.
>

I don't know if I'd go so far as to assess the comment so strongly...I believe this was an attempt at humor, but I don't think it's blatant racism. But that's just one man's opinion. (That's all--PLEASE--I'm not looking for a fight)
Here's a few more of one man's opinion:

I agree with the lack of chemistry between Stehlin and Barnas,..but I think that's mostly Barnas. IMHO: She's simply a "news reader:, and really doesn't have the personality to pull off a morning show such as this. She lacks the ad-lib skills required to do it well, and I don't think she's "off the cuff" enough to pull the show off with anyone, for that matter.

They may not look as "pretty" sometimes, but I think perhaps you'd be better off trying to find two people who have a strong radio background...people who've actually done "personality" driven work.
I'd even go so far as to say that --if they wanted to-- Tony and Dee would make a more formidable morning TV duo than anyone you see doing the job in Rochester now. They're skilled communicators with history and chemistry--that's something you can't fake, and as for the the "TV" stuff/skills ,..well, trust me. It's not that hard.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the folks we see on TV may be "personalities"....but it doesn't mean they neccessarily "have" personality....know what I mean?

As for 10,..I don't watch them that much--don't really care for Rebecca "The Joker" LeClair.

13 Drives me nuts,..particularly Norma Holland. She seems like a nice lady, but she has what I call "last word-itus."
Nobody--BUT NOBODY can say anything without her adding her two cents in at the end,..even if it's just one word--she's got to have the LAST word. It must drive Doug Emblidge nuts! I find myself actually yelling at the TV "....jeez, Norma...will you just shut the F***K up!!
(That, and the constant paper shuffling/stacking/pen tapping..etc... I don't know if anyone else has noticed these things,..but once you pick up on them it's quite distracting and at times enough to drive one batty!)

All this said, the ratings will soon come out,..and my spies indicate you're all going to be rather surprised with the numbers for "Wake Up Rochester" in particular. (Hint: the phrase "go figure" will come to mind)
 
God Help Us If You're Right!

> The ratings will soon come out,..and my
> spies indicate you're all going to be rather surprised with
> the numbers for "Wake Up Rochester" in particular. (Hint:
> the phrase "go figure" will come to mind)
>
If your “spies” are correct in their assumption that Channel 8’s early morning program will experience an increase in viewers, then all I can say is that MSNBC has “Imus in the Morning”; Rochester will have” Mediocrity in the Morning”.
I agree with your opinion that Barnas is just a news-reader, lacking the personality skills needed to host a program like “Wake Up Rochester”. I also agree with another poster’s observation that Lia Lando will end up hosting 8’s morning show. Not that she would make a better host than Barnas, but because she makes for better eye-candy. The same reason WHAM TV has Holly Maynard on their early morning show. Eye Candy!
 
Re: God Help Us If You're Right!

> > The ratings will soon come out,..and my
> > spies indicate you're all going to be rather surprised
> with
> > the numbers for "Wake Up Rochester" in particular. (Hint:
>
> > the phrase "go figure" will come to mind)
> >
> If your “spies” are correct in their assumption that Channel
> 8’s early morning program will experience an increase in
> viewers, then all I can say is that MSNBC has “Imus in the
> Morning”; Rochester will have” Mediocrity in the Morning”.
> I agree with your opinion that Barnas is just a news-reader,
> lacking the personality skills needed to host a program like
> “Wake Up Rochester”. I also agree with another poster’s
> observation that Lia Lando will end up hosting 8’s morning
> show. Not that she would make a better host than Barnas, but
> because she makes for better eye-candy. The same reason WHAM
> TV has Holly Maynard on their early morning show. Eye Candy!
>
Let's not get carried away. The ratings are out and 8 did go from like a 1.4 to a 1.5 I think.. which in the rating book shows 8 went from a 1 rating to a 2 (they round the numbers in the book). 8 went up a few share points but still has about 1/4 the viewers that 13 has in the morning.
 
Re: God Help Us If You're Right!

> The ratings are out and 8 did
> go from like a 1.4 to a 1.5 I think.. which in the rating
> book shows 8 went from a 1 rating to a 2 (they round the
> numbers in the book). 8 went up a few share points but
> still has about 1/4 the viewers that 13 has in the morning.
>
So 8’s early morning ratings went up one point. It certainly wasn’t because of the product WROC offers. One scenario could be that more people were watching the CBS network the previous night and when they turned on their TV sets the following day there was "Wake Up Rochester". The true test will be whether 8 can increase that audience in the next book. The bigger question here is how did 8 do in the ratings against 10 and 13 during the 5, 6, and 11 p.m. time period?
 
Re: God Help Us If You're Right!

> Let's not get carried away. The ratings are out and 8 did
> go from like a 1.4 to a 1.5 I think.. which in the rating
> book shows 8 went from a 1 rating to a 2 (they round the
> numbers in the book). 8 went up a few share points but
> still has about 1/4 the viewers that 13 has in the morning.
>

1.5 share of the audience isn't anything to brag about. There are automated radio stations in the metro Rochester market that have higher numbers.
 
Re: God Help Us If You're Right!

> So 8’s early morning ratings went up one point. It certainly
> wasn’t because of the product WROC offers. One scenario
> could be that more people were watching the CBS network the
> previous night and when they turned on their TV sets the
> following day there was "Wake Up Rochester".

If only this scenario was that simple, but it isn't. The only true test of how this market looks is by having it metered. This will NEVER happen. It costs too much, plus all the stations have to buy into it, which as we all know, is a pipe dream. 8 has everything to gain and 13 has everything to lose. Not like this would happen here, but take a look at Buffalo a few years back. They went metered and overnight the joke station, WIVB-TV 4 went from #3 to #1 OVERNIGHT!! Talk about a "wake-up" call. I agree, 8's morning product stinks. Everyone I've spoken to who's been a guest on the morning show are turned off by Stehlin and Barnas, particularly Stehlin. They say he's rude, forgetful, unattentive and distracted. Not exactly a glowing review. The chemistry simply is not there. That being said, stranger things have happpened in the ratings. I'm a believer that people have their favorite stations or favorite people and they're loyal to. Time will tell, but I will say this, if 8's ratings go up, it's not due to the leadership of Lee Eldridge or Marc Jaromin. It's because Doran, McGuire, Kucko and Hetsko are the glue that's holding that place together.
 
Re: God Help Us If You're Right!

> I will say this, if 8's ratings go up, it's not due to the
> leadership of Lee Eldridge or Marc Jaromin. It's because
> Doran, McGuire, Kucko and Hetsko are the glue that's holding
> that place together.
>
No truer words were written. If anyone should be shown the front door at Channel 8 it’s the management of that station; especially news director Lee Eldridge. Since his arrival he’s managed to alienate the entire news staff, hire mediocre on-air talent, while getting rid of experienced and dedicated professionals like Rachel Barnhart.
 
Re: God Help Us If You're Right!

> >> >
> No truer words were written. If anyone should be shown the
> front door at Channel 8 it’s the management of that station;
> especially news director Lee Eldridge. Since his arrival
> he’s managed to alienate the entire news staff, hire
> mediocre on-air talent, while getting rid of experienced and
> dedicated professionals like Rachel Barnhart.


And he's probably gunning for McKinley next
 
Out With The Good, In With The Mediocre.

> And he's probably gunning for McKinley next

It would not surprise me if McKinley is next on the “hit list”.
Eldridge’s track record speaks for itself. Since he became news director last year the following veterans are no longer at Channel 8.
Melissa Long
Christine Crafts
Rob Haswell
Rob Jason( Executive Producer)
Rachel Barnhart
Steve Levine
And look at his hires:
Lia Lando
Joylynn Whitfield
John Stehlin
Jennifer Chu
Plus Eldridge inherited Ty Chander and Melanie Barnas from WUHF resulting from the deal worked out between Sinclair and Nexstar for Channel 8 to carry FOX News at 10. And from what I heard if Eldridge had his way he would ax Chandler and Barnas, but can’t…..not yet at least. Plus there was speculation that he was trying to get rid of Cathy Orosz, but she is still at the station. Maybe she caved and signed a contract with similar conditions like the one Barnhart refused to sign.
 
Corporate Hero

> > And he's probably gunning for McKinley next
>
> It would not surprise me if McKinley is next on the “hit
> list”.
> Eldridge’s track record speaks for itself. Since he became
> news director last year the following veterans are no longer
> at Channel 8.

Yeah, but just look at how much salary he's sliced from the budget. He's probably a hero at corporate.

Maybe he's gunning for a job a Clear Channel. They seem to be famous for ripping the guts out of stations while keeping the shell of their former glory...
 
Re: Out With The Good, In With The Mediocre.

For those of us who have been in the Rochester market for a number of years we have witnessed first-hand or heard about the mass firings or resignations of competent employees at WROC-TV. What is truly sad is that there have been numerous attempts by hard-working staff to make Channel 8 competitive, only to have their efforts thwarted by management or consultants who come in and try to rearrange what was a working formula.

The problem, I believe, comes down to one thing; money. Every owner Channel 8 has had over the past 30+ years has been, and current is, a bottom-line company who would rather gut the place of talent just to save a few dollars. And what has been the result? A station that has had potential but remains in third place behind 10 and 13.

I’ve said it before and I will say it again. The only salvation Channel 8 has is for the current owner to sell the station to either local investors, or an existing broadcasting company that will spend what it takes to be number one in the Rochester market. This nickel and dime crap has to come to an end or Channel 8 will never emerge from the ratings basement.

On the other hand as long as the station’s billing remains profitable for the owners, I doubt they care how many good people are let go or resign, or what place the station ranks in the ratings, just as long as the money keeps rolling in.
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Re: Corporate Hero

>
> Maybe he's gunning for a job at Clear Channel.


The person who hired Eldridge at Channel 8 reportedly no longer works for Nexstar. So who knows, she might try to recruit him for another station and his tenure as Channel 8's news director will be short-lived.
 
Re: ANYONE HAVE RATINGS?

> Did the Olympics give 10 a boost?
>
No. Numbers were the same. 13 won all newscasts. the morning and evening by large margins. only the 11 is close.
 
Re: ANYONE HAVE RATINGS?

> > Did the Olympics give 10 a boost?
> >
> No. Numbers were the same. 13 won all newscasts. the
> morning and evening by large margins. only the 11 is close.

By "Rating" (not share)

>6am

13: 5
10: 2
8: 2

5pm
13: 9
10: 5
8: 3

6pm
13: 12
10: 9
8: 6

11p
13: 7
10: 5
8: 5
 
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