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Charles Manson on Dianne Anderson Show

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teximexi

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Did anybody hear Charles Manson on the Dianne Anderson Show on Friday?

No, it wasn't an interview, they played one of his songs. They were spending an hour talking about how Mark Mathis had to pay extra money at the dump because he did not have a tarp over his load, even though his load was just a TV set. Mathis is now involved in a protracted battle with the city to get the five bucks he paid for not having a tarp returned to him.

One of the bumper tunes they used was a guy singing a song that went, "Garbage dump, my garbage dump, why are you called a garbage dump."

A few minutes later a listener called in and complained about the garbage dump song, saying it was a tune by mass murderer Charles Manson.

And it turns out that it actually was. Click on http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...104-8451066-9923955?v=glance&s=music&n=507846 - it brings up a CD by Charles Manson that does indeed feature a song called "Garbage Dump" with an audio clip - and it's the same song.

To use a song by a mass murderer certainly is in questionable taste. How does that happen? How do you happen to have the music of Charles Manson hanging around the studio and then decide to play it? If Jeffrey Dahmer had recorded a song about the balloon fiesta would they play that too? Is this just another KAGM stunt to gather attention? Is Dianne Anderson a shock jock in sheep's clothing?
 
after listening to Art Lucero...

Inane, stupid and arrogant. That's how I feel about the majority of KAGM talkers, including Dianne, Chris and even Glen Beck. Hope I'm not being too hard on anyone here but sheesh! Audition or something! Find some talent!
I gotta say, after listening to Art Lucero fill in for larry Ahrens I'm wishing they would find a hispanic regular. Someone with a thick New Mexican accent who knows the culture and can talk about issues and gossip. Now there's a local show worth listening to!<P ID="signature">______________
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Maybe Dianne and Mark resorted to playing the Charlie Manson song in an attempt to keep up with the Drive with Chris and the Bean (a much more entertaining and controversial show IMHO).

Chris and Phil have been doing some very overt envelope pushing lately. Did you hear their new promo where they took excerpts from their interview with the nut from godhatesfags.com, who said all sorts of wacky stuff about gays, and intercut it with stuff from the station voice guy? It is hilarious.

The promo talks about how Chris and Phil lick ****, drink semen and eat feces!

I had soda come out of my nose after I heard it for the first time. It's great to hear the Bean freed from the constraints of Top 40 radio like he was under at KOB-fm. WTG Phil!
 
Re: after listening to Art Lucero...

> Larry is on Vacation during an important book! I say whats
> the deal!
>
They're attempting to get the morning ratings up.
Just a thought!
 
Re: after listening to Art Lucero...

Good idea, putting The Bean with Larry might make a good combination, God knows Larry needs a fire lit under him. I think Phil "The Bean" is the most talented voice on KAGMs lineup. Too bad Chris hogs the show and constantly tends towards weird sexual topics. Wherever he came from they should send him back there and put Michael Savage on in realtime. That'd give KKOB a run for their money.

I am, however, greatly enjoying Doug Stephan in the early morning. He sounds great on FM.
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Re: Charles Manson illegally downloaded?

> How does that happen? How do you happen
> to have the music of Charles Manson hanging around the
> studio and then decide to play it? If Jeffrey Dahmer had
> recorded a song about the balloon fiesta would they play
> that too? Is this just another KAGM stunt to gather
> attention? Is Dianne Anderson a shock jock in sheep's
> clothing?

I've got a theory on how this happened, based on something I heard on their show the other day. In the first hour of the show Mark Mathis changed the topic on a whim to "Has a gay person ever hit on you and how did you handle it."

After one of the stopsets the producer played a fairly obscure punk song that I'd never heard before with the lyrics "I wanna take you to a gay bar," which I later learned is called "Gay Bar" by the Electric Six.

Diane asked the producer where she finds this stuff and she had a one word answer. She said, "Internet!"

That answer could lead one to think that she is using peer to peer file sharing software to download the topical bumper music that they use on the show while the show is going on.

Of course those downloads would be illegal.

But considering the Manson music debacle it makes sense. If they were talking about Mark Mathis going to the dump and the producer did a hunt for garbage dump songs on Kazaa or Grokster or other P2P file sharing software she very well could have come up with a hit for Charlie Manson's "Garbage Dump" song, downloaded it and then played it on the air without realizing that it was a tune by that twisted sicko.

So that's my postulation on how this happened: P2P file sharing software is being used in the studio at KAGM to illegally download topical bumper music.

Maybe I'm wrong. It's just a suggestion based on their own words regarding how they acquire their bumper music -- "Internet!"

So, to answer your question "Is this just another KAGM stunt to gather attention?" I say, no, it was just a dumb blunder. But it does raise another question: Is criminal activity going on in the KAGM studios?
 
Re: Charles Manson illegally downloaded?

> If you think this is the case, you should report them to the
> F C C,BMI,ASCAP RIAA etc

That was not my point at all. I was just laying out a plausible scenario that answered Texi's question "How does that happen? How do you happen to have the music of Charlie Manson hanging around the studio and then decide to play it?"

I do not think that the notion that they did it intentionally as a stunt to cause controversy, as Texi suggested, holds a lot of water. KAGM stunts, like offering the runaway bride a job, are usually a little more transparent.

We do know two things: that the Manson song was played and that their producer says that she gets some bumper music from the internet. If they got the song via P2P file sharing it's very possible that they would have been unaware that it was by a sicko killer with a swastika carved in his forehead. At least that would give them deniability.

From a moral standpoint I don't know which is worse; to illegally download Charlie Manson music or to purchase it legitimately. I wonder if BMI or ASCAP sends Charlie checks based on his radio airplay.

It's just one suggestion on how this might have happened. You always have to look for the simplest solution and I think that this is it. If you have another scenario I'd love to hear it.
 
Re: Charles Manson illegally downloaded?

While I would question the wisdom of downloading marginal bitrate
music (ie MP3) for broadcast, remember that the radio stations have
agreements with licensing organizations (BMI/ASCAP, etc) for use of
such music.

I can't imagine the RIAA suing a radio station - the record industry still needs radio to play their music. Suing over something like this is counter-productive to those efforts.


> > If you think this is the case, you should report them to
> the
> > F C C,BMI,ASCAP RIAA etc
>
> That was not my point at all. I was just laying out a
> plausible scenario that answered Texi's question "How does
> that happen? How do you happen to have the music of Charlie
> Manson hanging around the studio and then decide to play
> it?"
>
> I do not think that the notion that they did it
> intentionally as a stunt to cause controversy, as Texi
> suggested, holds a lot of water. KAGM stunts, like offering
> the runaway bride a job, are usually a little more
> transparent.
>
> We do know two things: that the Manson song was played and
> that their producer says that she gets some bumper music
> from the internet. If they got the song via P2P file sharing
> it's very possible that they would have been unaware that it
> was by a sicko killer with a swastika carved in his
> forehead. At least that would give them deniability.
>
> From a moral standpoint I don't know which is worse; to
> illegally download Charlie Manson music or to purchase it
> legitimately. I wonder if BMI or ASCAP sends Charlie checks
> based on his radio airplay.
>
> It's just one suggestion on how this might have happened.
> You always have to look for the simplest solution and I
> think that this is it. If you have another scenario I'd love
> to hear it.
>
 
Re: Charles Manson illegally downloaded?

> I would question the wisdom of downloading marginal bitrate music (ie MP3)
> for broadcast

I think that these days you hear a ton of mp3s on the air. Many record companies now distribute their singles to radio via email, many syndicated shows are made available the same way, and mp3 makes a simple way for ad agencies to distribute spots as well.

By the time the signal gets finished being squished and squashed through all of the processing I doubt that if it the source for a song or spot was a CD or an mp3 would make much difference.

And while I agree that it's unlikely that the RIAA would not go after a radio station for illegally sharing mp3s via KaZaa, they might do it unintentionally.

Most of the lawsuits that the RIAA files are "John Doe" lawsuits where they don't know the actual identity of the person, they just know that they are sharing music files illegally.

Hypothetically a computer at a radio station being used in such a way could get caught in such a dragnet.

>remember that the radio stations have agreements with licensing organizations
>(BMI/ASCAP, etc) for use of such music.

So does Charles Manson get a check from ASCAP or BMI when his song gets played on the Dianne "Squeaky" Anderson show?
 
MP3s on the radio

> By the time the signal gets finished being squished and
> squashed through all of the processing I doubt that if it
> the source for a song or spot was a CD or an mp3 would make
> much difference.

I disagree. While I have used MP3s as a short-term solution to
get product on the air, it is noticeable and replaced with a CD
dub at the earliest opportunity.

Even with the higher quality MP2 professional format, which many
broadcasters use, there are noticeable artifacts. I don't think
the average Joe Public notices - since MP3 the acceptable level of
quality in this world has gone down.

(If its "digital", it must be better, right? Uhh, no. The biggest
impact digital has had is to squeeze more audio into smaller bandwidth
or file sizes - at the expense of quality. My cell service was much
better analog than the current digital environment).

Personally, the cleaner the source material, the cleaner the airsound
after all the processing.

In my present position, I inherited a music library recorded MP2. That
library is slowly replaced with uncompressed WAV files ripped from CD.
The cost of hard drives has dropped so much in recent years, there's
little reason not to. "HD Radio" uses a digital compression scheme - so
why compress twice?

> So does Charles Manson get a check from ASCAP or BMI when
> his song gets played on the Dianne "Squeaky" Anderson show?

Technically, if ASCAP or BMI get it on one of their random reports,
then the answer is yes.
>
 
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