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I am out of the market recently, but wonder where Charlie has landed? I had heard he would be placed on a Clear Channel station in the LA cluster, but none seem to fit. I have always thought he would be the perfect fit on KRTH, where their mornings have been in flux for years.
 
Maybe he'll get a weekend news gig on KFI, like Rob Archer or even a fill in talk show hosting job. ;D

Seriously I don't think they have a fit for him here on CC, and maybe he will want to take it easy. In any event he can certainly get all of the VO work he would care to handle and sleep in to boot.
 
radioprofessor said:
I am out of the market recently, but wonder where Charlie has landed? I had heard he would be placed on a Clear Channel station in the LA cluster, but none seem to fit. I have always thought he would be the perfect fit on KRTH, where their mornings have been in flux for years.

Not too much in flux. Gary Bryan has been MORE than solid in mornings. He immediately did well, but was inexplicably swapped into afternoons for the failed "Hollywood Hamilton" experiment. Since returning to mornings, his daypart has led a nice upswing rating-wise (even outperforming Charlie Tuna's morning show). It's the as solid as KRTH has been in morning drive since Robert W. Morgan. It would be a big mistake to mess with that.
 
BACKnUSSR said:
Not too much in flux. Gary Bryan has been MORE than solid in mornings. He immediately did well, but was inexplicably swapped into afternoons for the failed "Hollywood Hamilton" experiment. Since returning to mornings, his daypart has led a nice upswing rating-wise (even outperforming Charlie Tuna's morning show). It's the as solid as KRTH has been in morning drive since Robert W. Morgan. It would be a big mistake to mess with that.

It "could" be a mistake. Or it could be a great move. Gary Bryan is a decent jock, but perhaps he out performed Charlie because Tuna was on KBIG. If Charlie worked mornings at KRTH and GB was moved to oh, I don't know, the 1-4pm shift it could make the KRTH line-up much stronger. 1-4pm is their weakest point.
 
Would CBS be willing to spend the $$$$ it would take for Charlie to take over that 1-4 PM timeslot?

Bryan has been solid since Hamilton was tossed; hiring him was an indefensible blunder, since he didn't know either the music or his audience, and his-hopper following was never going to follow him to KRTH under any circumstances.

It wasn't the daypart that needed fixing when HH was hired, it was the music and repitition, which has now been fixed and freshened.
 
Gotta agree. Gary is a solid pro, and he certainly entertains. The show moves right along, he's always got something witty to say (and not contrived dopey jokes, like others we could all name). I'd even be in favor of a few less songs per hour just to let him get a few more bits in.

This is not to say that CT wouldn't fit KRTH like a glove. He certainly would! And I'd love to hear him back on a Drake station (even if it's faux Drake; it's still the closest we're ever gonna get again).

- Doc
 
I have found that Oldies/Classic Hits stations are best served with heritage air-talent from the market. Bryan is a journeyman jock, but hardly a major talent and has no market name or heritage. I like the idea of putting him on mid-days, since his voice and delivery are strong, but show is pedestrian. Charlie would fit the sound of the station, has market heritage and would certainly play more music in the morning which should be the focus of any Oldies type format. I hope Charlie lands on his feet
 
DoctorWu said:
Gotta agree. Gary is a solid pro, and he certainly entertains. The show moves right along, he's always got something witty to say (and not contrived dopey jokes, like others we could all name). I'd even be in favor of a few less songs per hour just to let him get a few more bits in.

This is not to say that CT wouldn't fit KRTH like a glove. He certainly would! And I'd love to hear him back on a Drake station (even if it's faux Drake; it's still the closest we're ever gonna get again).

- Doc

Actually Drake was consulting KRTH in the 90's and programmed the station in the 60's & 70's so in effect you could say it isn't totally faux Drake.

radioprofessor said:
I have found that Oldies/Classic Hits stations are best served with heritage air-talent from the market. Bryan is a journeyman jock, but hardly a major talent and has no market name or heritage. I like the idea of putting him on mid-days, since his voice and delivery are strong, but show is pedestrian. Charlie would fit the sound of the station, has market heritage and would certainly play more music in the morning which should be the focus of any Oldies type format. I hope Charlie lands on his feet

I agree, the jocks that played those songs originally usually sound better playing them today than those who weren't even alive when they were currents.
Tuna would sound great, but Gary Bryan is a pro and does have major market cred at stations like Z100 in New York and KFRC in San Francisco. I do agree that some of his content is lame. For example, the Fickle Finger of Fate was a Rowen & Martin joke from Laugh In. I say put Tuna on in morning drive and move Gary Bryan to 1-4 and end the aberration that does the shift now.
 
calguy said:
move Gary Bryan to 1-4 and end the aberration that does the shift now.

when the above-mentioned 1-4p KRTH person was working weekends at KBIG...I called him to
talk briefly about the just-installed KBIG studio cam. I asked about the studio...the response was
"but can you see ME?" I identified myself as also being a CC employee...and just curious if the cam could
be moved, etc...same response: "can you see ME?" . my response was "click".

more on-topic...personally...I think it would be a mistake to move Bryan from mornings. sure a few bits are lame...
but so what? energy without puking...reasonably rapid pacing...moving elements forward...I like it.
 
romer979fm said:
calguy said:
move Gary Bryan to 1-4 and end the aberration that does the shift now.

when the above-mentioned 1-4p KRTH person was working weekends at KBIG...I called him to
talk briefly about the just-installed KBIG studio cam. I asked about the studio...the response was
"but can you see ME?" I identified myself as also being a CC employee...and just curious if the cam could
be moved, etc...same response: "can you see ME?" . my response was "click".

more on-topic...personally...I think it would be a mistake to move Bryan from mornings. sure a few bits are lame...
but so what? energy without puking...reasonably rapid pacing...moving elements forward...I like it.

Okay, we're going off topic now, but what you experienced was just the smallest tip of the iceberg. Ever wonder why he says his name every time he opens the mic? Yup, it's all about him. I've never in all my years of radio met a more narcissistic person. I know several people who worked with him at Clear Channel and worked around him a bit myself. The stories I could tell you would curl your hair. Wonder if he cleaned up his act at KRTH? Hope so for the staff that works around him. Okay, enough about him because I don't wanna get in trouble with Radio-Info...

Yeah, I have no problem with Gary Bryan doing mornings, but I don't think Charlie Tuna would do any other shift. If he did, he would be great in early afternoons.
 
Regarding the former Mr. Fergerson on KRTH:

When Robert W. Morgan retired there was some talk of having Charlie Tuna on KRTH, however it was known then PD Mike Phillips had his reasons for not liking Tuna, which were personal (could somebody please elaborate?).

As well, though I'm not too sure how much of it really effected the final decision, Morgan never liked Tuna, which goes back to the KHJ days. In fact when Morgan was on KMPC he would sometimes sign off his show by saying, "Goodnight Art Fergerson, where ever you are. "

Lets fast forward ten years later... somehow I can see Charlie Tuna doing a mid-morning show on KRTH. As for thee coveted morning spot I think Gary is working quite well for them.
 
emailfailed said:
Regarding the former Mr. Fergerson on KRTH:

When Robert W. Morgan retired there was some talk of having Charlie Tuna on KRTH, however it was known then PD Mike Phillips had his reasons for not liking Tuna, which were personal (could somebody please elaborate?).

As well, though I'm not too sure how much of it really effected the final decision, Morgan never liked Tuna, which goes back to the KHJ days. In fact when Morgan was on KMPC he would sometimes sign off his show by saying, "Goodnight Art Fergerson, where ever you are. "

Lets fast forward ten years later... somehow I can see Charlie Tuna doing a mid-morning show on KRTH. As for thee coveted morning spot I think Gary is working quite well for them.

Yeah Charlie would sound good on KRTH. Honestly though, would he want to do anything other than mornings? Mid-mornings belong to Jim Carson and he sounds superb, so again, you have to replace the weakest link and logically that's 1-4pm. But that means that Jhani's buddy would be out and I can't see him doing that to his friend no matter how hard he is to work with or out of place he sounds, and he really sounds like a square peg in a round hole. Also, with the ratings climb that KRTH is enjoying it would be hard to unseat him. You know I have a friend who worked with Escandon and you don't even want to get him started on the subject, but he's told me time and again that Escandon is fairly well protected by doing a 3 hour shift that straddles the midday and afternoon ABR shift periods. Unless you look at hourly numbers he'll always be propped up by Carson and Kelly’s numbers.

As for how Robert W. Morgan felt about Charlie, it's anyone's guess now. I heard that he felt Charlie should replace him, but that's only rumor at this point.

Don't know about how Phillips felt either and why, but in any station or company there are personality conflicts. Some have merit and others are just bad chemistry. Bottom line, Mike Phillips is no longer of this earth and Charlie is alive and well and would sound great on KRTH. Also, like Shotgun Tom and Jim Carson, Tuna really "was" a Boss Jock at one time...
 
Tuna, like Morgan, was also among the very best 'Boss Jocks' who ever lived.

Take it from someone who feels VERY lucky about having grown up and lived in LA for well over fifty years, and had the VERY good fortune to have grown up with three beyond-legendary top 40 stations in KHJ, KFWB & KRLA, with too many superstar &/or legendary air personalities to mention, many of whom went on to become superstars in other cities from Tucson to Tampa to San Francisco to San Diego to Chicago to.....you get the picture.
 
The rub between Charlie Tuna and Robert W. began in the early days of KHJ. Robert had decided to leave and take a radio gig in Chicago. When Robert left KHJ, Charlie was put on in the mornings. After roughly six months. Robert returned to So. Cal and took back his morning show. Charlie was to go back to mid mornings. Tuna was p. o'd as he had now established himself as a major market morning man. Charlie left KHJ and Robert took back his show. Robert would then kid Tuna on the air saying such things as, Aw Charlie, why spend so much money on that rug and not do anything about your teeth! Obviously Charlie took great offense to the kidding. To understand Robert you have to know that Robert had a very strange sense of humor and that was his act...he was a bad boy. Robert had great respect for Charlie's talent but loved to tease. As the years went by the teasing stopped. Robert loved to Jack with ya and if you couldn't handle it he just did it more. If you laughed it off he showed you respect and was a great friend. Yes, Robert did think that Charlie should replace him at KRTH.
Mike O'Neil
 
A couple of clarifications for context:

Tuna says (in Ben Fong-Torres' book The Hits Just Keep On Comin') that he got off on the wrong foot with Robert W. on his first day at KHJ in fall 1967, when his opening line was "I'd like to thank Robert W. Morgan for warming up the audience for me". From then on, Morgan poked fun at Tuna on the air, usually centering on a pun that Charlie had made the day before, which RWM could make sound spectacularly unfunny even if you'd laughed at it the day before when Charlie delivered it.

It was three years later (October, 1970) that Morgan went to WIND, Chicago. During his last show, he made reference a couple of times to Tuna being very good...and had Charlie on by phone, where he was very gracious and talked about looking forward to seeing Tuna at his going-away party that night.

Morgan was gone 15 months. In January, 1972, KHJ told Tuna they were giving Robert W. his morning show back and offered Tuna 9-Noon. As M-ONeil notes, Charlie felt he'd earned his morning drive stripes, so he turned the offer down and went to KCBQ, San Diego. Tuna didn't mention Morgan on his last show (though he was expecting to do one more than he did) and Morgan didn't mention Tuna on his first. Charlie Van Dyke was brought in from KGB to do 9-Noon (he stayed six months before taking morning drive at WLS, Chicago).

Morgan lasted 18 months the second time around before walking out with Bill Drake and The Real Don Steele. Tuna returned to L.A. to do mornings as part of the KROQ-AM launch in September, 1972. A year later, he moved to mornings at KKDJ...about 60 days ahead of Morgan's debut on KIQQ. Morgan did his first show as "Danny Van Tuna" (a triple shot; at Danny Martinez, who had filled some of KHJ's mornings, Charlie Van Dyke, who returned from WLS to take the job full-time, and Tuna).

From there, it can be argued that for the next 20 years, Tuna had the better career. He stayed at KKDJ, becoming its program director while still doing mornings when the format flipped to AC and the calls to KIIS-FM in October, 1975. At about the same time, Morgan left KIQQ and took the weekend/fill-in jock job at KMPC.

In May, 1977, Tuna returned to mornings at KHJ when Van Dyke went home to KLIF in Dallas. But six months later, John Sebastian was named PD of KHJ and severely curtailed Tuna's talk time...it got worse with a further format refinement in June of 1978. Tuna bailed for mornings at KTNQ in September '78...and a few months later was told that the station was going Spanish. He survived, though...moving to what had been KTNQ's FM sister, KGBS-FM, which changed calls to KHTZ, in August, 1979....the same month that Morgan, after four years in weekends and fill-ins, finally replaced Dick Whittinghill in morning drive at KMPC.

But it was only about a year later that KMPC went talk. Morgan held on, surviving the talk format and coming out the other side playing Adult Standards. A couple of years of that and Morgan was itching to be relevant again...and jumped for a disastrous two years at KMGG, ending in 1986 when that station became Power 106. All through this, for seven years, Tuna had been doing mornings at KHTZ. That station flipped to Classic Rock, but Tuna went to its new AM sister...oldies KRLA...and Morgan went back to mornings at KMPC (the line about hair and teeth was actually in 1986, between the KMGG and KPWR gigs, during the last hours of KHJ, when RWM sat in with Dave Sebastian Williams).

In 1990, Tuna moved to mornings at oldies KODJ, which later became KCBS-FM. It wasn't until 1992 when Morgan's career started outpacing Tuna's again, with the move to KRTH. Tuna took Morgan's old KMPC job, but the format was now sports talk and didn't last long. Tuna did country at Orange County's KIKF for several years, and was there when Morgan announced he had lung cancer in 1997.

According to Tuna, in the Ben Fong-Torres' book, he and Morgan became friends near the end, and Morgan did tell KRTH that he thought Tuna should be his successor. KRTH went with Charlie Van Dyke instead, and after only a couple of years, began the Gary Bryan-Hollywood Hamilton-Gary Bryan shuffle.

My take? If KHJ had stuck with Tuna in 1972, when Robert W. came back from Chicago, Tuna would probably have had a ten-year run (more than double Morgan's) in mornings at KHJ. I seriously doubt he would have joined Drake and Steele in the walkout. Don't get me wrong. Morgan was beyond great. But nobody (not he, Tuna or KHJ) won in his 1972 comeback.

Only three guys did mornings at KHJ when it mattered...Robert W. Morgan, Charlie Tuna and Charlie Van Dyke. Morgan and Van Dyke have had morning shows at K-Earth. It doesn't make sense for Tuna not to.


---Michael Hagerty
 
Michael, I believe you have most of the timeline correct however the tease about the hair and teeth was not only on the last evening of KHJ but but he used it at KMPC along with others. Don't remember exactly when. I was with Robert in studio on the last night of KHJ when he joined Dave to put the old gal to sleep as he said. I had to keep my mouth shut as I was the only one there that still had a job. The Management was in the office that night (Phil Hall) and was not happy about Robert but let it happen. Lynn Duke the engineer, airchecked the last of KHJ with Robert as I'm sure you know.
Robert was a good friend and yes we also started out on the wrong foot. B.R. Bradbury stopped me from punching Robert in 69 or 70 at KHJ and probably saved my career. Who was a better morning jock is only an individuals opinion. With Robert W. gone I believe Charlie would sound great at KRTH However Jhani Kaye runs the show now and it ain't like it use to be. Jhani was our all night guy at KUTE-102 until management (Arnie Schoor, the GM) heard him. Jhani was a horrible jock and his dog would pee in the studio. It's strange how the worst jocks get into management and then tell others how to do it right(I wonder if his dog pees all over KRTH) I have not heard KRTH since Jhani became P.D. as I retired from Radio and moved out of L.A. Thank God!! Radio has lost it's excitment and people(listeners)just don't care anymore. I feel lucky as I got the last (30 Years) of the good old days of Radio. As Robert W. said it's time to put the old gal to sleep!
Mike O'Neil
 
Michael, your history is impressive. Charlie Tuna is the next morning host for KRTH. He has the history, the following and the sound of the LA station. Bryan can move to another shift. He is a fine journeyman jock doing a variety of shifts in a variety of markets. There is only one Charlie Tuna. Robert W. Morgan, Charlie Van Dyke and now Charlie Tuna on KRTH. It only makes sense now that CT is available.
 
It would indeed make perfect sense for Tuna to do mornings at KRTH; ther aren't too many local legends still on the iar here in LA (besides 'Uncle' Joe Benson & Jim Ladd @ KLOS), so it would certainly be awesome to have another one on the air here.

One huge reason that I'd like to see CT @ KRTH is because he has a superb four-hour all-70's music show which I heard several years ago at Phoenix's oldies station (KQQL?), and it was wonderful; I don't know if he still has that show, but it was exhilirating, and would certainly be a perfect fit to air on Sunday evenings.
 
When are the suits at KRTH gonna wake up and swoop up Charlie (a true living legend in L.A. Radio) and put him on the air? Joshua Escandon is good, but would sound better at night anyway? Don't know that replacing Gary Bryan in the morning is the answer, but they've got to put him in somewhere....no???
 
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