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Cheapest Transmission

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ZelenRecords

What do you think is the easiest, and cheapest way to broadcast from another location?

For Example:

A company leases 24/7 airtime from another station, but they want to broadcast from there own studio, which is only 5 miles away.

Is it cheaper to go through an ISDN, cable, sat, etc?

Any ideas?
 
> What do you think is the easiest, and cheapest way to
> broadcast from another location?
>
> For Example:
>
> A company leases 24/7 airtime from another station, but they
> want to broadcast from there own studio, which is only 5
> miles away.
>
> Is it cheaper to go through an ISDN, cable, sat, etc?
>
> Any ideas?
>

Try to do it via microwave STL if there's available spectrum available (a big if in some parts).<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
> > What do you think is the easiest, and cheapest way to
> > broadcast from another location?
> >
> > For Example:
> >
> > A company leases 24/7 airtime from another station, but
> they
> > want to broadcast from there own studio, which is only 5
> > miles away.
> >
> > Is it cheaper to go through an ISDN, cable, sat, etc?
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
>
> Try to do it via microwave STL if there's available spectrum
> available (a big if in some parts).
>
For a distance of 5 miles, I would try a m/w hop as mentioned, but if you can't, say if you don't have the line of site, real estate, capital for the equipment, etc, then my next suggest would be leasing a T-1 circuit from various different carriers. Note that it can be competitive if you shop around with the providers that can package that, next after that I would have an ISDN hookup, which you need an ISDN line and codecs on both sides, next after that I would consider a dialup conection like a Comrex. 5 miles can easily be a local call which may be under a flat rate.
If your in a hurry, probably a Comrex type dialup is quickest, you only need an ordinary POTS line at each end. There is a slight processing delay similar to ISDN.
I'm also thinking if you have line of sight between the 2 points there is a wireless solution also.
Another consideration is stereo vs. mono and bandwidth desired. There are still digital equalized lines also available from telco. Don't know the pricing but you can ask.
 
> What do you think is the easiest, and cheapest way to
> broadcast from another location?
>
> For Example:
>
> A company leases 24/7 airtime from another station, but they
> want to broadcast from there own studio, which is only 5
> miles away.
>
> Is it cheaper to go through an ISDN, cable, sat, etc?
>
> Any ideas?
>

You really need to define "cheap". Using spread spectrum unlicensed radios (like a "Big-Pipe") the cost is nothing, after you buy the expensive equipment. Same goes for licenced RPU equipment (if you can get licensed).

ISDN has cheaper equipment, but recurring expenses.

So it's a matter of lower costs up front with recurring charges, or higher up-front costs with no recurring costs.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
Dry copper pair from the telco...ask for an alarm circuit if they won't give you a dry copper pair because it's the same thing. Directly connect an AGC to the source end (do impedence matching if you have to) and put an audio amp at the other end (we use something from Tellabs that has impedence matching switches).

Monthly cost is a few bucks per circuit...you need 1 if there isn't an IFB.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> Dry copper pair from the telco...ask for an alarm circuit if
> they won't give you a dry copper pair because it's the same
> thing. Directly connect an AGC to the source end (do
> impedence matching if you have to) and put an audio amp at
> the other end (we use something from Tellabs that has
> impedence matching switches).
>
> Monthly cost is a few bucks per circuit...you need 1 if
> there isn't an IFB.
>
An equalizer at the far end can make it sound decent, proving the line doesn't have to go through more than one exchange/central office.
 
> An equalizer at the far end can make it sound decent,
> proving the line doesn't have to go through more than one
> exchange/central office.

The amp card I use has a built in EQ...sucks, but it adds a little bit more umph. At 5 miles I'm sure both locations are going through the same CO.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> > > What do you think is the easiest, and cheapest way to
> > > broadcast from another location?
> > >
> > > For Example:
> > >
> > > A company leases 24/7 airtime from another station, but
> > they
> > > want to broadcast from there own studio, which is only 5
>
> > > miles away.
> > >
> > > Is it cheaper to go through an ISDN, cable, sat, etc?
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >
> >
> > Try to do it via microwave STL if there's available
> spectrum
> > available (a big if in some parts).
> >
> For a distance of 5 miles, I would try a m/w hop as
> mentioned, but if you can't, say if you don't have the line
> of site, real estate, capital for the equipment, etc, then
> my next suggest would be leasing a T-1 circuit from various
> different carriers. Note that it can be competitive if you
> shop around with the providers that can package that, next
> after that I would have an ISDN hookup, which you need an
> ISDN line and codecs on both sides, next after that I would
> consider a dialup conection like a Comrex. 5 miles can
> easily be a local call which may be under a flat rate.
> If your in a hurry, probably a Comrex type dialup is
> quickest, you only need an ordinary POTS line at each end.
> There is a slight processing delay similar to ISDN.
> I'm also thinking if you have line of sight between the 2
> points there is a wireless solution also.
> Another consideration is stereo vs. mono and bandwidth
> desired. There are still digital equalized lines also
> available from telco. Don't know the pricing but you can
> ask.
> anyone familiar with the instreamer and exstreamer on www.barix.com.used for audio over IP..
 
> > An equalizer at the far end can make it sound decent,
> > proving the line doesn't have to go through more than one
> > exchange/central office.
>
> The amp card I use has a built in EQ...sucks, but it adds a
> little bit more umph. At 5 miles I'm sure both locations
> are going through the same CO.
>

You mean there's still someone at the phone company that knows how to do a 15k loop? Wow!<P ID="signature">______________
...co-moderator of the Satellite Radio, Phoenix, and San Diego boards...</P>
 
Cheapest way is with 2 PC's one running Windows media Encoder the other with windows media player and using 2 Routers as a VPN. over the internet
not the best Idea but is the cheapest and it works...
 
> Cheapest way is with 2 PC's one running Windows media
> Encoder the other with windows media player and using 2
> Routers as a VPN. over the internet
> not the best Idea but is the cheapest and it works...

Yeah but how reliably?

I tried that inside my LAN and it didn't even last 24 hours before the player got disconnected.


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
> > > > What do you think is the easiest, and cheapest way to
> > > > broadcast from another location?
> > > >
> > > > For Example:
> > > >
> > > > A company leases 24/7 airtime from another station,
> but
> > > they
> > > > want to broadcast from there own studio, which is only
> 5
> >
> > > > miles away.
> > > >
> > > > Is it cheaper to go through an ISDN, cable, sat, etc?
>
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Try to do it via microwave STL if there's available
> > spectrum
> > > available (a big if in some parts).
> > >
> > For a distance of 5 miles, I would try a m/w hop as
> > mentioned, but if you can't, say if you don't have the
> line
> > of site, real estate, capital for the equipment, etc, then
>
> > my next suggest would be leasing a T-1 circuit from
> various
> > different carriers. Note that it can be competitive if you
>
> > shop around with the providers that can package that, next
>
> > after that I would have an ISDN hookup, which you need an
> > ISDN line and codecs on both sides, next after that I
> would
> > consider a dialup conection like a Comrex. 5 miles can
> > easily be a local call which may be under a flat rate.
> > If your in a hurry, probably a Comrex type dialup is
> > quickest, you only need an ordinary POTS line at each end.
>
> > There is a slight processing delay similar to ISDN.
> > I'm also thinking if you have line of sight between the 2
> > points there is a wireless solution also.
> > Another consideration is stereo vs. mono and bandwidth
> > desired. There are still digital equalized lines also
> > available from telco. Don't know the pricing but you can
> > ask.
> > anyone familiar with the instreamer and exstreamer on
> www.barix.com.used for audio over IP..


The instreamer is really reliable and the codec sounds really good. We use it for our streaming audio. We were going to use a Telos Audioactive, but at $350 new, the Barix was a good deal (of course now Audioactives show up on ebay for less than $200) It only does mp3, however, and figuring out what rate/sample is not easy because the user interface is fairly simple.

I consider it much more reliable than any Windows PC. We have had it hang only 2x in a year. The hanging was corrected in a matter of seconds by a power cycle. Both of the hangs were caused by hacker flood attacks on its ip. We have the unit on a DMZ in order to have our services provider's shoutcast server connect to it, so it gets attacked on occasion, but not nearly as much as our router.
 
>
> You mean there's still someone at the phone company that
> knows how to do a 15k loop? Wow!
>
I would doubt that very much; but with a graphic eq, tone geni, and a little patience one can probably get decent response out of an unloaded loop over that distance. Of course, from the original question, it would depend on their format, and the station. 5 to 8 k mono would sound just fine on an AM, not so great for an FM, and obviously useles, even if you got two lines, for stereo.

I can remember getting 100 to 5k response on a dial-up that ran through the central office to the studio using a Shure audio master. The secret being that it was our phone on the other end calling the same line each time at the studio. Hence the same path through the c.o.
 
Well he did say Cheapest Nothing about reliability.

Actually we use the OMT Imedia-Multistream software for several stations
and it is very reliable.

Neal

> > Cheapest way is with 2 PC's one running Windows media
> > Encoder the other with windows media player and using
> 2
> > Routers as a VPN. over the internet
> > not the best Idea but is the cheapest and it works...
>
> Yeah but how reliably?
>
> I tried that inside my LAN and it didn't even last 24 hours
> before the player got disconnected.
>
>
> Regards,
> Goran Toma
 
> >
> > You mean there's still someone at the phone company that
> > knows how to do a 15k loop? Wow!
> >
> I would doubt that very much; but with a graphic eq, tone
> geni, and a little patience one can probably get decent
> response out of an unloaded loop over that distance. Of
> course, from the original question, it would depend on their
> format, and the station. 5 to 8 k mono would sound just
> fine on an AM, not so great for an FM, and obviously useles,
> even if you got two lines, for stereo.

Oh, my. Please...take all my old Tellabs gear off my hands. I'm beggin' here.
 
Send it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall to me. Half of my boards are dead from too many lightning strikes.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> Send it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall to me. Half of my boards are
> dead from too many lightning strikes.

Good, I'll arrange an adoption soon. Suffice it to say, telco continues to provide spice in my life.
 
> Dry copper pair from the telco...ask for an alarm circuit if
> they won't give you a dry copper pair because it's the same
> thing. Directly connect an AGC to the source end (do
> impedence matching if you have to) and put an audio amp at
> the other end (we use something from Tellabs that has
> impedence matching switches).
>
> Monthly cost is a few bucks per circuit...you need 1 if
> there isn't an IFB.
>

I've seen somewhere where one can roll their own SDSL--at 3 or 1.5 megabit or I suppose 768k--over dry copper if the loop length isn't too long. Certain DSL modems will work back-to-back as a sort of bridge for LAN extension. Maybe this could be used with some sort of encoder for transmission.
 
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