check this out!

[viberadio]

on shoutcast, there's a station called ALIENSIGNAL. Great Music "more club underground and not that mainstream Kraft extra sharp CHEESE

 

[musicloverII]

I've been listening for a bit now. I'm done. I don't get it. Why listen to someone else's long drawn out, meaningless tracks when you can create your own? I just don't see any interest in listening to patterns with high hats, hand claps and filters going on and on for minutes at a time in repitition and then breaking down every 8 bars and then bulding up again, it's so monotonous.

I'm not being sarcastic or anything but I'd be interested in knowing what draws one to listening to this kind of music? What's the big deal? Please discuss. As with all formats, I like to understand what draws one to it.

Thanks folks.

> on shoutcast, there's a station called ALIENSIGNAL. Great
> Music "more club underground and not that mainstream Kraft
> extra sharp CHEESE
>

 

[sfradio]

> I've been listening for a bit now. I'm done. I don't get it.
> Why listen to someone else's long drawn out, meaningless
> tracks when you can create your own? I just don't see any
> interest in listening to patterns with high hats, hand claps
> and filters going on and on for minutes at a time in
> repitition and then breaking down every 8 bars and then
> bulding up again, it's so monotonous.
>
> I'm not being sarcastic or anything but I'd be interested in
> knowing what draws one to listening to this kind of music?
> What's the big deal? Please discuss. As with all formats, I
> like to understand what draws one to it.
>
> Thanks folks.
>
> > on shoutcast, there's a station called ALIENSIGNAL. Great
> > Music "more club underground and not that mainstream Kraft
>
> > extra sharp CHEESE
> >
>
damn musiclover you are now stereotypeing and hating on dance music too? wow then your name should not be musiclover<P ID="signature">______________
http://natedoggairchecks.6x.to/
xxnate_doggxx (at) myway (dot) com</P>

 

[CHRles]

It's your choice/taste not to love it, but I LOVE Progressive music

IMHO the music on aliensignal sounds real good. Lots of Progressive stuff of the type Markus Schulz spins. Right up my alley I feel a connection to it, and an appreciation for the productions.

 

[musicloverII]

Stop with blowing this out of proportion. What stereotyping, you're far too sensitive, relax.

I simply asked a question. I was intersted in a format I'm not in the understanding of. I asked a question, if you were to ask me about a music format I'm into and asked me the same question with the same lack of understanding I'd simply answer it without being so defensive, it's not like I live for it or it's my life support system and in the grand scheme of things it's meaningless.

I just think you can create a nine minute track on your own so there's not much merit in listening to someone else filtering, bringing instrumentation in and out when it's so repetitive. I'm explaining to you my view of it, perhaps you'll change that view. While this is "dance" music, it's not the best candidate to march into a radio station and say, "check this out, it's a hit".

Keep discussing, I enjoy learning what draws people to a certain music moreso than others. It's meant to be a discussion not a defense of your precious music. It's already understood here that I'm looking for information not to dump on "your" music. I'd like to know how many and who listens to this. I'd also be intersted in knowing how many here actually BUY this product because I see no sales in any signifigant numbers on much of this.

I just don't see this as a way to promote the playing of dance music on the radio from a commercial standpoint. If you want "dance" on the radio (as a format) there has to be song structure, a hook, something the masses (radio needs MASSES to listen in order for the format to survive) and I don't see this as being anymore than a branch of a format, like various rock formats, it's branches and fringes that don't make the mainstream. There's plenty of great DANCE SONGS by artists who make great music that fall in the category of dance - music that has mass commercial appeal and yet much of the perception by those runnning radio is the stuff you're calling dance and they're right to say that there's really no commercial appeal, there's not enough people to support that idea of dance and unfortunately that's what they think dance is. I talk with them enough each week and they're mistaken but that's what they think.

Tracks created by DJs is not for mass appeal, that's my only point I guess. It's just not possible for a radio station to play any of it because it's so narrowly appreciated based on sales and knowledge of who's making the tracks.

That's my take on it, it's not about hating. It's about what the perception is from those who can further DANCE MUSIC but don't because this is what they believe is DANCE and it's not good for the FORMAT's advancement.

I'm sure it has a place in small numbers on a personal listening level but not where radio is concerned. Once again, I'm speaking about it from a RADIO perspective.

Your thoughts appreciated.

Thanks folks.

> > I've been listening for a bit now. I'm done. I don't get
> it.
> > Why listen to someone else's long drawn out, meaningless
> > tracks when you can create your own? I just don't see any
> > interest in listening to patterns with high hats, hand
> claps
> > and filters going on and on for minutes at a time in
> > repitition and then breaking down every 8 bars and then
> > bulding up again, it's so monotonous.
> >
> > I'm not being sarcastic or anything but I'd be interested
> in
> > knowing what draws one to listening to this kind of music?
>
> > What's the big deal? Please discuss. As with all formats,
> I
> > like to understand what draws one to it.
> >
> > Thanks folks.
> >
> > > on shoutcast, there's a station called ALIENSIGNAL.
> Great
> > > Music "more club underground and not that mainstream
> Kraft
> >
> > > extra sharp CHEESE
> > >
> >
> damn musiclover you are now stereotypeing and hating on
> dance music too? wow then your name should not be musiclover
>

 

[CHRles]

> I just think you can create a nine minute track on your own
> so there's not much merit in listening to someone else
> filtering, bringing instrumentation in and out when it's so
> repetitive. I'm explaining to you my view of it, perhaps
> you'll change that view. While this is "dance" music, it's
> not the best candidate to march into a radio station and
> say, "check this out, it's a hit".

Some of these tunes when narrowed down to a 3-4 minute edit do become more radio friendly. A little while ago when I wash checking this station out they were playing Dave Seaman's "My Own Worst Enemy". The song can definitely work on some radio stations. Other songs are meant to stay in the Underground, and the producer isn't saying to himself "I wonder if I can get Z-100 and KTU to pick this up".


>I'd like to know how many and who
> listens to this. I'd also be intersted in knowing how many
> here actually BUY this product because I see no sales in any
> signifigant numbers on much of this.
>
I buy this product, and have doneso for years now. I can't vouch for anyone else here.

> I just don't see this as a way to promote the playing of
> dance music on the radio from a commercial standpoint.

Admittedly, it rarely works on commercial radio. Progressive Dance usually gets airplay on weekend mixshows aired on CHR (late at night) and Modern Rock formats, as well as College/Non Comm stations. There are very few FM stations around the globe that focus on Progressive House all day every day. The rare exceptions are stations like Dinamo FM 103.8 in Istanbul, Metro FM in Buenos Aires, and a couple of stations in places like Bulgaria, Greece, and Australia.
Perehaps 10-20 years from now, or even 5 years from now, Progressive will be bigger with the masses. In the early 80s very few people thought there would ever be all-Rap stations.
When you think about it, instrumental music has a bigger appeal then you think. Smooth Jazz? Classical music? What are those?

If
> you want "dance" on the radio (as a format) there has to be
> song structure, a hook, something the masses (radio needs
> MASSES to listen in order for the format to survive) and I
> don't see this as being anymore than a branch of a format,
> like various rock formats, it's branches and fringes that
> don't make the mainstream.

But Aliensignal is a virtual station that targets Progressive Dance lovers from around the world. Proton Radio, and Digitally Imported's Progressive channel, are other examples.

> Tracks created by DJs is not for mass appeal, that's my only
> point I guess.

Tiesto, Deep Dish, Armin Van Buuren, Roger Sanchez, Ferry Corsten, and Paul Van Dyk have all had songs that charted big on the Pop charts all over Europe. Some of those songs didn't have any vocals, which sometimes is the song's secret weapon - no lyrics, no language barrier, and all you're left with are music tones and melodies that transcend borders.

It's just not possible for a radio station to
> play any of it because it's so narrowly appreciated based on
> sales and knowledge of who's making the tracks.

Dance music sells a lot more in Europe then for example Country music, and in many places more then Hip Hop music. This despite the fact that Country music has a by-the-numbers song structure, a catchy chorus, and an easily identifiable artist.

 

[musicloverII]

Thanks CHRles, In that context, I understand. However, I can't fathom the thought of progressing dance as a viable format on mainstream radio with just tracks (in most cases). I'm speaking in that context. In fact, every second on radio now counts with people's attention span being what it is. The masses (in general) do not relate nor do they respond in either listening or buying power to a track. Songs are what people relate to, songs with structure for the most part that allow them to identify that song. Beats don't do that.

And as far as producer remixing a track, he is being paid (in most instances) and the label or the artist (if he is the label too) needs to recoup that cost. Or do they just make these tracks without caring if they sell one copy? But if that's the case, then you have to adapt as a label or artist to what the market will purchase don't you. Or you can just complain that people are stupid and don't get it. Maybe, people just don't like it, that's a good possibility too.

Please discuss.

Thanks

If you spend money, you do want to get it back don't you?

> > I just think you can create a nine minute track on your
> own
> > so there's not much merit in listening to someone else
> > filtering, bringing instrumentation in and out when it's
> so
> > repetitive. I'm explaining to you my view of it, perhaps
> > you'll change that view. While this is "dance" music, it's
>
> > not the best candidate to march into a radio station and
> > say, "check this out, it's a hit".
>
> Some of these tunes when narrowed down to a 3-4 minute edit
> do become more radio friendly. A little while ago when I
> wash checking this station out they were playing Dave
> Seaman's "My Own Worst Enemy". The song can definitely work
> on some radio stations. Other songs are meant to stay in the
> Underground, and the producer isn't saying to himself "I
> wonder if I can get Z-100 and KTU to pick this up".
>
>
> >I'd like to know how many and who
> > listens to this. I'd also be intersted in knowing how many
>
> > here actually BUY this product because I see no sales in
> any
> > signifigant numbers on much of this.
> >
> I buy this product, and have doneso for years now. I can't
> vouch for anyone else here.
>
> > I just don't see this as a way to promote the playing of
> > dance music on the radio from a commercial standpoint.
>
> Admittedly, it rarely works on commercial radio. Progressive
> Dance usually gets airplay on weekend mixshows aired on CHR
> (late at night) and Modern Rock formats, as well as
> College/Non Comm stations. There are very few FM stations
> around the globe that focus on Progressive House all day
> every day. The rare exceptions are stations like Dinamo FM
> 103.8 in Istanbul, Metro FM in Buenos Aires, and a couple of
> stations in places like Bulgaria, Greece, and Australia.
> Perehaps 10-20 years from now, or even 5 years from now,
> Progressive will be bigger with the masses. In the early 80s
> very few people thought there would ever be all-Rap
> stations.
> When you think about it, instrumental music has a bigger
> appeal then you think. Smooth Jazz? Classical music? What
> are those?
>
> If
> > you want "dance" on the radio (as a format) there has to
> be
> > song structure, a hook, something the masses (radio needs
> > MASSES to listen in order for the format to survive) and I
>
> > don't see this as being anymore than a branch of a format,
>
> > like various rock formats, it's branches and fringes that
> > don't make the mainstream.
>
> But Aliensignal is a virtual station that targets
> Progressive Dance lovers from around the world. Proton
> Radio, and Digitally Imported's Progressive channel, are
> other examples.
>
> > Tracks created by DJs is not for mass appeal, that's my
> only
> > point I guess.
>
> Tiesto, Deep Dish, Armin Van Buuren, Roger Sanchez, Ferry
> Corsten, and Paul Van Dyk have all had songs that charted
> big on the Pop charts all over Europe. Some of those songs
> didn't have any vocals, which sometimes is the song's secret
> weapon - no lyrics, no language barrier, and all you're left
> with are music tones and melodies that transcend borders.
>
> It's just not possible for a radio station to
> > play any of it because it's so narrowly appreciated based
> on
> > sales and knowledge of who's making the tracks.
>
> Dance music sells a lot more in Europe then for example
> Country music, and in many places more then Hip Hop music.
> This despite the fact that Country music has a
> by-the-numbers song structure, a catchy chorus, and an
> easily identifiable artist.
>

 

[CHRles]

Wow! So Many Great Tunes

The station's noew playing Perasma's "Swing To Harmony", one of my favorite Dance tracks of the year. Earlier, as I mentioned in this thread they played Dave Seaman's "My Own Worst Enemy". This station is very addictive.

 

[CHRles]

> Thanks CHRles, In that context, I understand. However, I
> can't fathom the thought of progressing dance as a viable
> format on mainstream radio with just tracks (in most cases).

I think it usually has to be a very sophisticated market, where commercial Dance is very visible on the airwaves. Turkey and Italy are prime examples where there are several Dance stations playing mass appeal Dance hits, and can be heard all over those countries. There's a fertile enough ground perhaps for a more niched Dance format, such as Progressive Dance. On the other hand, the only legal Dance station in Buenos Aires is Metro FM, while all the other Dance stations (that focus on Dance hits) are semi-legal at best. In New Zealand the only Dance station that can be heard nationwide is a station that focuses on West Coast House and loungy House. The rest of New Zeland's Dance stations are all regional/local.

> I'm speaking in that context. In fact, every second on radio
> now counts with people's attention span being what it is.
> The masses (in general) do not relate nor do they respond in
> either listening or buying power to a track. Songs are what
> people relate to, songs with structure for the most part
> that allow them to identify that song. Beats don't do that.

I think you're talking about Detroit and German techno, as those are the type of tracks that are very beat and loop oriented, much moreso then Progressive and House. Believe it or not, there are even virtual/net only stations that focus on Detroit and German Techno, and seem to attract their own cult following. Their DJs too seem to have quite a following: Carl Cox, Chris Liebing, and Richie Hawtin rank very highly this year on DJ Mag's Dj list.

>
> And as far as producer remixing a track, he is being paid
> (in most instances) and the label or the artist (if he is
> the label too) needs to recoup that cost.

Tiesto, Armin, Ferry, PVD, Deep Dish, Morillo, Tiga, and others do both remixes, and release original material. Oftentimes their releases start their life as promos, then are released on the DJs own record label, and it might start to pop up on DJ mixed compilations. If the record attracts enough interest and attention a bigger label might pick it up for a commercial release.

Or do they just
> make these tracks without caring if they sell one copy?

I don't think when Ferry Corsten made such a simplistic track as "Punk" he was thinking about it becoming big. It only took him a few hours to make by his own admission, but he was lucky in that the simple hook connected well with his fans, and with Dance fans in general. Same is true of records like "Call On Me" by Eric Prydz - it's a very simple loop and sample. It's oftentimes tracks the DJs just make for their sets, and over take on a life of their own. There have also been Rock anthems throughout history that the artist has admitted it only took him a few hours to write.
On the other hand some tracks take the artists weeks until they nail it. They may have a vision, or they may just be testing different hardware and software programs until they find the right sound.
People are drawn to this music b/c it doesn't always rely on the same-ol-same-ol formulaic music that's nestled in the safe zone. This is music that sometimes challenges you to listen, and other times will let you get lost in it.

 

[magicmk]

>
> Some of these tunes when narrowed down to a 3-4 minute edit
> do become more radio friendly. A little while ago when I
> wash checking this station out they were playing Dave
> Seaman's "My Own Worst Enemy". The song can definitely work
> on some radio stations. Other songs are meant to stay in the
> Underground, and the producer isn't saying to himself "I
> wonder if I can get Z-100 and KTU to pick this up".
>
>

Well stated CHRles. I'd like to fine tune what you said into that these long epic songs are created with CLUB play in mind - not radio play at all. I think the artist envisions the song as it might sound on the decks in a club, connecting with people packed on the dancefloor who are wanting a long steady, uninterrupted rhythm that will lead into a smooth transition into another same-styled track. But, to take all of these tracks and play them unmixed, back to back radio-style - would get monotonous and boring pretty fast to the wide majority of people out there, except for the few whom you might label "hardcore" fans (and I mean hardcore as in fanatical, not as a genre of dance). I don't doubt that it's the "hardcore" audience this programmer had in mind. Programming music for a club and for the radio (and this includes radio mixshows) are two totally different beasts, because the audiences are two totally different groups of people. In the club, a particular song might sound incredible out on the dancefloor... take the same exact song, play that 10-minute looped beat over and over and over again in the car while you're parked in a traffic jam on a freeway somewhere - you'd lose your mind!

 

[Jammerz]

Very well said, Matt, and EXACTLY right on point. Those tracks were designed for clubs not radio airplay.

There are not enough passionate fans to support that type of music to carry a radio station beyond a specialty show. Even Sirius Satellite Radio dumped its Remix channel, which featured these types of mixshows 24/7, because there weren't enough listeners.

These type of mixshows can sometimes work in an overnight or late weekend slot on an alternative or even on a bold CHR station. But they are very few and far between. Believe me-- my company promotes all sorts of mixshows (mainstream pop, rhythmic, urban, mainstream dance, and electronica), and I can say for a fact that the demand for an electronica mixshow only come from an elite and smaller segment of radio stations in the US.

As a DJ, I understand this genre. I just appreciate it more when it's shared on a dancefloor. Much love and power to those stations with these type of mixshows and can actually pull it off.

Peace Love + Dance Beats

 

[wired]

i disagree.

... However, I can't fathom the thought of progressing dance as a viable
> format on mainstream radio ....
The masses (in general) do not relate nor do they respond in
> either listening or buying power to a track. Songs are what
> people relate to, songs with structure for the most part
> that allow them to identify that song. Beats don't do that.
>
I didnt have to read any further..if MTV.(NY) decided..
"for what ever reason" to "all of a sudden" over a six
month movement..soo, by Memorial Day/summer, "morphed"
into a dance-friendly chart-maker..u would see an Instant change.
*Now, specifically, this thread wasn't not talking about radio-
friendly hits, but more of the club-minded person's music..however,
like most of the posts/threads, a new topic almost always emerges.

*MTV* once had that show "AMP" breaking NEW Videos, mind you,
-waay-before-
the Compliations, radio, or internet..this example is what
"could" happen..if they decided to that again.

Current MTVexample) top 10:
[1]"50"
[2]"new" britney.
[3]chris brown.
[4]fall out boy
[5]BEYONCE KNOWLES (next hit).
[6] all-AMerican rejects/throw in some rock : )
[7] p'cat dolls next single.
[8] green day, they always chart on mtv.
[9] EMINEM<--he never leaves/always overstays his welcome.
[10] papaRoach, new single.

Ok, there is a quick 'top10'...*OKAY* but lets say...in the
new year..u still have..."50" and the Hits..

but the list looks some thing like...
[1] "50" (even if he sucks, he still seems to be at the 1 spot].
[2] chris brown
[3] crazy frog "axel f" (that may have actually charted : )
[4] britney's new single
[5] "NEW" artist, AngelCity "oh shelia"
[6] green day.
[7] dht "listen to your heart"
[8] dj-Tiesto. ( "saying, euro's #1 dj has another song).
[9] fall out boy's next single.
[10] motorcycle, makes it into our chart.."for you clubbers,
out there, u may know this one...well, we know have it
in our top 10..here is the video!!"

*OKAY * IF * that happened * you (musicLoverII)...dont you
think every CHR in the NATION would follow suit. hmm ?
Yes.

What if, in the next year or so, movies, in hollywood
use more instrumental tracks (such as sandstorm by Darude)
for "scores" in action sequences..or, as the theme to
draw the MASSES in..ok, yea - daRude "sandstorm"'s song,
is milking that SONG for a better half of a decade..but,
in the new SpiderMan 3 movie..that is all it takes!! and, that
is a beat-Driven-Synch-mixed "song"

There is also a station looking to set it self apart, may have the stones to "break" such songs..like (at the time) kernkraft400, derb,etc..etc.
(or, the "next" beat driven song)..and, of course, if there are two
CHR's in one town..and the competition is playing it - well, of course,
you better at least have a copy of it - and, if nothing else, use
it for a bed..since it is already "all beats" -makes it easy to use...

Take a glance at commercials:

Diet Coke "Starry eyed surprise" paul oakenfold...*better yet*

?SP/mitisbushi(sorry) used the Dirty Vegas "Days go by" in the ad, and
the car was also in the VIDEO !!! and..."then, all of a sudden" the
chr stations..were playing that "techno song" It didnt take much
for it to go from a techno song, to a listener knowing the name
and artist..other examples, Telepopmusik's "Breathe" featured
in a commercial(sadly, i dont remember the product) but thnx
to that, it cracked (for that quarter) the top 8@8/9@9's..across
the country. there are countless others (gigi-d'augustino;
robert miles from the 90s..etc,etc) that slowly will turn
it around..no,the steady ten minute beat wont do it - but,
the potential is there..esp. if la/z100ny/or mtv, "decided"
to "all of a sudden" make it popular !!

 

[wired]

> I think you're talking about Detroit and German techno,

Look at the -slight- impact.."detroit" techno had on
EMINEM. he made an "Obscure" reference to moby and techno..
in the song "without me" I am not sure of the exact
lyrical passage, however, he slams Moby, and says :

"..You don't know me, you're too old let go its over,
nobody listens to techno/ Now lets go"

That spawned the German(i believe he is german)..
dj-funkyMonkey to remix one of my FAVE songs still to this day !!
the instrumental hard-driven beat..."without e" That song, thanks to
a mainstream POP Reference, and help of a current hit,
had modest success approx. 2 months in the fall (year?? was it 2002)
-After- EM'song already charted.

Had it been the other way around: this Loud obnoxious - steady
beat - bangin on your speakers...Of Course, most "mainstreamers"
would have turned it off - but, because some one else did most
of the work, it made it fairly easy to have the song "without e"
reach people "it shouldn't have"

 

[musicloverII]

Re: i disagree.

Amp fizzled because no one watched it.

Your statement

Take a glance at commercials:

Diet Coke "Starry eyed surprise" paul oakenfold...*better yet*

?SP/mitisbushi(sorry) used the Dirty Vegas "Days go by" in the ad, and
the car was also in the VIDEO !!! and..."then, all of a sudden" the
chr stations..were playing that "techno song" It didnt take much
for it to go from a techno song, to a listener knowing the name
and artist..other examples, Telepopmusik's "Breathe" featured
in a commercial(sadly, i dont remember the product) but thnx
to that, it cracked (for that quarter) the top 8@8/9@9's..across
the country. there are countless others (gigi-d'augustino;
robert miles from the 90s..etc,etc) that slowly will turn
it around..no,the steady ten minute beat wont do it - but,
the potential is there..esp. if la/z100ny/or mtv, "decided"
to "all of a sudden" make it popular !!


That's because those songs are commercially appealing. Each one of them were COMMERCIAL APPEALING RECORDS FOR 18-34 females.

BTW. You'll never find a bigger fan of Electronica than me so it's not like I'm not hip to it. I'm simply stating that from a commercial standpoint 10 minute tracks aren't going to get it to radio and I was speaking from a RADIO standpoint. A point where you can get it to the MASSES and make it MAINSTREAM. I've seen arguments from people saying radio should be playing more deep house, more trance, more DNB, UGH! Those are the formats that PDs view as what dance is and it's that reason that they're not even willing to listen. They view it as CLUB music for people CLUBBING not as music for people to LISTEN To.

Examples of great songs to hear? Karen Ramirez, Benassi, DHT, pleasing to the ear and MAINSTREAMABLE. That's what I'm getting at.


> ... However, I can't fathom the thought of progressing dance
> as a viable
> > format on mainstream radio ....
> The masses (in general) do not relate nor do they respond in
>
> > either listening or buying power to a track. Songs are
> what
> > people relate to, songs with structure for the most part
> > that allow them to identify that song. Beats don't do
> that.
> >
> I didnt have to read any further..if MTV.(NY) decided..
> "for what ever reason" to "all of a sudden" over a six
> month movement..soo, by Memorial Day/summer, "morphed"
> into a dance-friendly chart-maker..u would see an Instant
> change.
> *Now, specifically, this thread wasn't not talking about
> radio-
> friendly hits, but more of the club-minded person's
> music..however,
> like most of the posts/threads, a new topic almost always
> emerges.
>
> *MTV* once had that show "AMP" breaking NEW Videos, mind
> you,
> -waay-before-
> the Compliations, radio, or internet..this example is what
> "could" happen..if they decided to that again.
>
> Current MTVexample) top 10:
> [1]"50"
> [2]"new" britney.
> [3]chris brown.
> [4]fall out boy
> [5]BEYONCE KNOWLES (next hit).
> [6] all-AMerican rejects/throw in some rock : )
> [7] p'cat dolls next single.
> [8] green day, they always chart on mtv.
> [9] EMINEM
>

 

[musicloverII]

And it was a two week record, just as disposable as today's hip hop.

> > I think you're talking about Detroit and German techno,
>
> Look at the -slight- impact.."detroit" techno had on
> EMINEM. he made an "Obscure" reference to moby and techno..
> in the song "without me" I am not sure of the exact
> lyrical passage, however, he slams Moby, and says :
>
> "..You don't know me, you're too old let go its over,
> nobody listens to techno/ Now lets go"
>
> That spawned the German(i believe he is german)..
> dj-funkyMonkey to remix one of my FAVE songs still to this
> day !!
> the instrumental hard-driven beat..."without e" That song,
> thanks to
> a mainstream POP Reference, and help of a current hit,
> had modest success approx. 2 months in the fall (year?? was
> it 2002)
> -After- EM'song already charted.
>
> Had it been the other way around: this Loud obnoxious -
> steady
> beat - bangin on your speakers...Of Course, most
> "mainstreamers"
> would have turned it off - but, because some one else did
> most
> of the work, it made it fairly easy to have the song
> "without e"
> reach people "it shouldn't have"
>

 

[lalumia]

Re:MTV tried this already,in 96/97

> ... However, I can't fathom the thought of progressing dance
> as a viable
> > format on mainstream radio ....
> The masses (in general) do not relate nor do they respond in
>
> > either listening or buying power to a track. Songs are
> what
> > people relate to, songs with structure for the most part
> > that allow them to identify that song. Beats don't do
> that.
> >
> I didnt have to read any further..if MTV.(NY) decided..
> "for what ever reason" to "all of a sudden" over a six
> month movement..soo, by Memorial Day/summer, "morphed"
> into a dance-friendly chart-maker..u would see an Instant
> change.
> *Now, specifically, this thread wasn't not talking about
> radio-
> friendly hits, but more of the club-minded person's
> music..however,
> like most of the posts/threads, a new topic almost always
> emerges.
>
> *MTV* once had that show "AMP" breaking NEW Videos, mind
> you,
> -waay-before-
> the Compliations, radio, or internet..this example is what
> "could" happen..if they decided to that again.
>
> Current MTVexample) top 10:
> [1]"50"
> [2]"new" britney.
> [3]chris brown.
> [4]fall out boy
> [5]BEYONCE KNOWLES (next hit).
> [6] all-AMerican rejects/throw in some rock : )
> [7] p'cat dolls next single.
> [8] green day, they always chart on mtv.
> [9] EMINEM
>MTV tried this in the late 90s.As grunge died,they srarted played the Prodigy,Crystal Method,Chemical Brothers,even videos by La Bouche and Amber.There was even an MTV electronica CD called "Amped" and an "Amped' countdown show,all of this was around 97/98,and it didn't last very long cos the kids,instead,chose Hanson over Prodigy,Spice Girls over Chemical brothers,and Backstreet Boys over Crystal Method.
So don't blame MTV ;they embraced it once,and America yawned.MTV has no agenda except to reflect what is popular with the masses,and clicks and blips will only become mass music when the robots take over in 2075!

 

[CHRles]

Re:MTV tried this already,in 96/97

> >MTV tried this in the late 90s.As grunge died,they srarted
> played the Prodigy,Crystal Method,Chemical Brothers,even
> videos by La Bouche and Amber.There was even an MTV
> electronica CD called "Amped" and an "Amped' countdown
> show,all of this was around 97/98,and it didn't last very
> long cos the kids,instead,chose Hanson over Prodigy,Spice
> Girls over Chemical brothers,and Backstreet Boys over
> Crystal Method.

Actually, during the boy band era MTV became overly synonymous with TRL, Carson Daily, and with NOT playing any music videos during most of the day.
Electronica on MTV had a lot of success with the college aged kids and up, but wasn't as big with middle-school girls who make up MTV's P1 audience. A lot of high school and college kids were turned onto Electronica because they were exposed to it on MTV, in addition to hearing it on some of the country's influential Modern Rock stations. The Top 40 stations sadly ignored The Prodigy and Chemical Brothers, even during nights when they're more open to youth-leaning Hip Hop and Hard Rock. European Top 40 radio on the other hand had been playing Prodigy's hit records for years, and in 1996 even gave a lot of airplay to records like Apollo 440 "Ain't Talkin About Dub". American Top 40 radio did however try to embrace Fatboy Slim's "Rockafellar Skank" in 99, which was quite successful on some big CHRs.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 12/21/05 06:07 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[magicmk]

Re: Telepopmusik commercial

> ?SP/mitisbushi(sorry) used the Dirty Vegas "Days go by" in
> the ad, and
> the car was also in the VIDEO !!! and..."then, all of a
> sudden" the
> chr stations..were playing that "techno song" It didnt take
> much
> for it to go from a techno song, to a listener knowing the
> name
> and artist..other examples, Telepopmusik's "Breathe"
> featured
> in a commercial(sadly, i dont remember the product)

For the record, "Breathe" was used in yet another Mitsubishi commercial (it was actually for the Outlander). "Days Go By" was used for the Eclipse ads. I don't know if Mitsu took electronic music any further with additional car ads, those are the only two I remember seeing.

 

[wired]

driveTime/ what if???

while in traffic(the thing w/ the cars, not the tiesto song
and tired of listening to holiday music on a lot of stations..
i grabbed a random cd/didnt look at it and put it in.
It was happyRave'95. a CD meant for people to apperciate the
music..believe it or not, the steady beat was fun to drive
to..and, there wasnt any breaks,interruptions, and it
was nice to have a longer-extended "groove" In that respect,
i think longer-club edits, or "steady-beat-driven" "songs" may
have a chance..*HOWEVER* i am NOT a fan, of the 'drum-n-bass' non-
stop songs..as on, chin-100.7fm,toronto and also on alot
of college stations..

Sorry, musicLover[II] if i slightly missed the mark, of the
post/thread..but, i sincerely think on a chr-dance friendly
station..that beat-driven "songs" could fly..simply because
while the nation's and world's attention is getting shorter,
there are times, when peeps leave it on..and, then *suddenly*
think...what the ?? am i listening to---

Footnote/editoral:
I also believe in the notion "Play it, they will listen"
Meaning: IF MTV. and z100.(NY) and LA-Kiis-FM all "shook hands"
and decided to make this music work..it would have no choice...
One of the two professor's, I reserve and hold alot of respect for,
always, posed the question: Does the masses tell the media what to play?
or, does the media tell the masses, what to listen to....

Answer me that question, and you will be able to make any format work!
OK, for this excitement of this board..and for stimulating radio
discussions, what would happen..if:

Carson Daly's show..was (finally) cancelled and/or, Carson says,
he has had enought. Either scenario, mtv will be at a point
to either:
(A) find a "young" [next]Carson Daly, and pay him a sick amount
of $$$ or the next five years..and, when he is "too old" phase
him out and repeat the process. MOST LIKELY, that will result.

But what if......
(B) MTV doesnt want to shell out the "big bucks" yet again..
or go thru the trials, and tribulations of missing, before
finding the next 'hit' So, an influential London DJ(take
your pick of your fave). says, he will work...pretty much
for FREE. Part of the agreement, would be US National exposure
on a major network, for at least Three-to five years!!!! As we
all know, that is sometimes, more important than $$$$$
*ALSO* Part of the agreement, is to give the DJ* free reign
to spin/mix what *he or she* will be popular on the charts..
within reason, still playing a 'few' mainstream top 40 songs,
but giving this DJ alot more control..

To MTV, and other companies, nowadays looking for
the cheap way out, agree to give this DJ the primetime (for teens)
on MTV..soo, essentially the only music will be on mtv,
will be what this dj wants to be popular.. Since, most of mtv.
is now drama, this impact would be huge..

*NOW* if this scenario would further develop, onto kiis-fm,
and z100..and pick up the weekly countdown *SINCE THAT HAPPENS
NOW ANYWAYS* (carson's "daily" and weekend countdowns)..that
means, there would be alot of Music being discovered and
exposed to people(aka the MASSES).. Well then, the trickle down theory..
would be when other stations carry the synidicated show or,
take note of what is being played..and wants to be like
the big boys..they would start to generate popularity for
dance-friendly hits, and/or dance-music, that is primarily
a steady beat..

OKAY:
*I KNOW* this won't HAPPEN, with Dance Music, in the form that dance
peeps admire and LOVE but.......I sincerely believe this is occuring NOW!!!
-
Not w/ dance, but the new "nelly/50/emimen/mariah/etc,etc" hits..on
their own merit, may or may NOT make it until Ryan Seacrest,
MTV and Rick Dee's(although, he would favor dance if he could !!!
..until they "acclaim" it to be a hit!!! I would LOVE to put this
to the test !!! It seems if they were take a steady 6-8 minute steady
beat anthem, and "push" it - I wanna/gotta/ KNOW How far would
the song make it --not on its own merit, but because "they" say
it is cool enough to play and chart.

ANy thougHTS?

ps: TO ALL & musicloverII: i am "old" (well, older) and did not direct
any comments of slander/name calling to you, personally, i
believe this forum is AWESOME, and hope it continues to
spark excellent radio conversations, theories, etc..etc
Even at times of disagreement, just remember keep it
radio/dance related..that is all. Happy holidays. cheers<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by wired on 12/21/05 11:33 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[lalumia]

Re: CARSON DALY?

> while in traffic(the thing w/ the cars, not the tiesto song
>
> and tired of listening to holiday music on a lot of
> stations..
> i grabbed a random cd/didnt look at it and put it in.
> It was happyRave'95. a CD meant for people to apperciate the
>
> music..believe it or not, the steady beat was fun to drive
> to..and, there wasnt any breaks,interruptions, and it
> was nice to have a longer-extended "groove" In that
> respect,
> i think longer-club edits, or "steady-beat-driven" "songs"
> may
> have a chance..*HOWEVER* i am NOT a fan, of the
> 'drum-n-bass' non-
> stop songs..as on, chin-100.7fm,toronto and also on alot
> of college stations..
>
> Sorry, musicLover[II] if i slightly missed the mark, of the
> post/thread..but, i sincerely think on a chr-dance friendly
> station..that beat-driven "songs" could fly..simply because
> while the nation's and world's attention is getting shorter,
>
> there are times, when peeps leave it on..and, then
> *suddenly*
> think...what the ?? am i listening to---
>
> Footnote/editoral:
> I also believe in the notion "Play it, they will listen"
> Meaning: IF MTV. and z100.(NY) and LA-Kiis-FM all "shook
> hands"
> and decided to make this music work..it would have no
> choice...
> One of the two professor's, I reserve and hold alot of
> respect for,
> always, posed the question: Does the masses tell the media
> what to play?
> or, does the media tell the masses, what to listen to....
>
> Answer me that question, and you will be able to make any
> format work!
> OK, for this excitement of this board..and for stimulating
> radio
> discussions, what would happen..if:
>
> Carson Daly's show..was (finally) cancelled and/or, Carson
> says,
> he has had enought. Either scenario, mtv will be at a point
> to either:
> (A) find a "young" [next]Carson Daly, and pay him a sick
> amount
> of $$$ or the next five years..and, when he is "too old"
> phase
> him out and repeat the process. MOST LIKELY, that will
> result.
>
> But what if......
> (B) MTV doesnt want to shell out the "big bucks" yet again..
>
> or go thru the trials, and tribulations of missing, before
> finding the next 'hit' So, an influential London DJ(take
> your pick of your fave). says, he will work...pretty much
> for FREE. Part of the agreement, would be US National
> exposure
> on a major network, for at least Three-to five years!!!! As
> we
> all know, that is sometimes, more important than $$$$$
> *ALSO* Part of the agreement, is to give the DJ* free reign
> to spin/mix what *he or she* will be popular on the charts..
>
> within reason, still playing a 'few' mainstream top 40
> songs,
> but giving this DJ alot more control..
>
> To MTV, and other companies, nowadays looking for
> the cheap way out, agree to give this DJ the primetime (for
> teens)
> on MTV..soo, essentially the only music will be on mtv,
> will be what this dj wants to be popular.. Since, most of
> mtv.
> is now drama, this impact would be huge..
>
> *NOW* if this scenario would further develop, onto kiis-fm,
> and z100..and pick up the weekly countdown *SINCE THAT
> HAPPENS
> NOW ANYWAYS* (carson's "daily" and weekend countdowns)..that
>
> means, there would be alot of Music being discovered and
> exposed to people(aka the MASSES).. Well then, the trickle
> down theory..
> would be when other stations carry the synidicated show or,
> take note of what is being played..and wants to be like
> the big boys..they would start to generate popularity for
> dance-friendly hits, and/or dance-music, that is primarily
> a steady beat..
>
> OKAY:
> *I KNOW* this won't HAPPEN, with Dance Music, in the form
> that dance
> peeps admire and LOVE but.......I sincerely believe this is
> occuring NOW!!!
> -
> Not w/ dance, but the new "nelly/50/emimen/mariah/etc,etc"
> hits..on
> their own merit, may or may NOT make it until Ryan Seacrest,
>
> MTV and Rick Dee's(although, he would favor dance if he
> could !!!
> ..until they "acclaim" it to be a hit!!! I would LOVE to put
> this
> to the test !!! It seems if they were take a steady 6-8
> minute steady
> beat anthem, and "push" it - I wanna/gotta/ KNOW How far
> would
> the song make it --not on its own merit, but because "they"
> say
> it is cool enough to play and chart.
>
> ANy thougHTS?
>
> ps: TO ALL & musicloverII: i am "old" (well, older) and did
> not direct
> any comments of slander/name calling to you, personally, i
> believe this forum is AWESOME, and hope it continues to
> spark excellent radio conversations, theories, etc..etc
> Even at times of disagreement, just remember keep it
> radio/dance related..that is all. Happy holidays. cheers
>
the current breed of MTV fans don't even know who Carson Daly is; it's been years since he was the regular host of TRL,and years since he was the 'face' of MTV!