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The rule prohibiting pirates from LPFM ownership was imposed on the FCC by Congress in 2000.
The government is just about to revoke what was passed in 2000 along with the 3rd adjacency
restriction on LPFM.
In my case a college student by the name of Kennedy liked Jolly Roger Radio. Senator Edward M
Kennedy wrote the FCC and asked if I could have a license. The Chairman wrote back saying
that I could.
FCC people in Washington and Chicago showed me how to prepare applications, find open frequencies,
and write Petitions to change rules.
Doing it the legal way is more fun. You don't have to worry about being dragged out of bed by FCC
Agents.
The government is just about to revoke what was passed in 2000 along with the 3rd adjacency
restriction on LPFM.
In my case a college student by the name of Kennedy liked Jolly Roger Radio. Senator Edward M
Kennedy wrote the FCC and asked if I could have a license. The Chairman wrote back saying
that I could.
FCC people in Washington and Chicago showed me how to prepare applications, find open frequencies,
and write Petitions to change rules.
Doing it the legal way is more fun. You don't have to worry about being dragged out of bed by FCC
Agents.
This KENC 1620 in Stayton Oregon was the only station serving the general population of the
town. It seemed to be popular and tied in with the community. So, there may be some avenues
that Ken can take with the FCC.
A guy in Goldfield Nevada got Special Temporary Authority to broadcast without a license. The
Indianapolis Motor Speedway got an experimental license to broadcast their PA for the hearing
impaired on 101.1 FM. This could be an experiment for LPAM. One could also request a waiver of
Part 15 antenna restrictions. One of these might work to get him back on legally.
He needs a better wedding present from the FCC.
town. It seemed to be popular and tied in with the community. So, there may be some avenues
that Ken can take with the FCC.
A guy in Goldfield Nevada got Special Temporary Authority to broadcast without a license. The
Indianapolis Motor Speedway got an experimental license to broadcast their PA for the hearing
impaired on 101.1 FM. This could be an experiment for LPAM. One could also request a waiver of
Part 15 antenna restrictions. One of these might work to get him back on legally.
He needs a better wedding present from the FCC.
LibertyNT said:
He didn't...but under the current rules, pirate operators are barred from being licensees, LPFM or otherwise. As it stands, a guy like Ken Cartwright would be inelligible for an LPFM or full power station license.
edarmsttrong said:Oh, and screw the fcc....I'm glad to see they have their priorities straight...THEY SUCK ASS!
I take issue with what you have written about my Uncle Sam. He's your Uncle sam too. You
can work with him, or you can work against him. What you have said is against him. He may not
be perfect. But he is the greatest ever.
I fought for him in a war. I almost died. I am in a wheelchair for him and I'd do it again. Damn!
These men and women who work for the FCC are human beings just like you and me. What kind of
FCC backlash should we expect from your statements? Bad news for LPAM!
Yes, they read Radio Info too.
Please opologise to our Uncle Sam. You owe him one.
I will NOT apologize, but I will thank you for your service. You fought to uphold my right to say such things, remember? Would you still fight in a war, for a country that did not have any freedom of speech? Dissent is patriotic. When there is none, it is the people that will suffer, like sheep on their way to the slaughter house.
The feds monitor this board, and many others. I am not threatening the president, planning a terrorist attack, or calling for the overthrow of our Uncle Sam. I am simply expressing my displeasure, in the most gutteral terms, with the current state of microbroadcasting in this country.
Sometimes a loud, obnoxious voice gets attention...and in this day and age, any attention is good for a cause that truly deserves it. Maybe it was immature, I'll give you that. But, maybe you should take a closer listen to some of the show hosts on commercial talk radio sometime. What I said is nothing compared to what some of those clown's opinions are. AND UNCLE SAM ALLOWS STATIONS TO HAVE LICENSES TO BROADCAST THIS! All we ask for is a few milliwatts, and it's the end of humanity as we know it.
Yeah, I can be a loudmouth, but I'll know I'm finished when the FCC sends me an NAL for saying what I did...fortunately, it wasn't over an unlicensed broadcast transmitter, so I am not too worried about it.
The feds monitor this board, and many others. I am not threatening the president, planning a terrorist attack, or calling for the overthrow of our Uncle Sam. I am simply expressing my displeasure, in the most gutteral terms, with the current state of microbroadcasting in this country.
Sometimes a loud, obnoxious voice gets attention...and in this day and age, any attention is good for a cause that truly deserves it. Maybe it was immature, I'll give you that. But, maybe you should take a closer listen to some of the show hosts on commercial talk radio sometime. What I said is nothing compared to what some of those clown's opinions are. AND UNCLE SAM ALLOWS STATIONS TO HAVE LICENSES TO BROADCAST THIS! All we ask for is a few milliwatts, and it's the end of humanity as we know it.
Yeah, I can be a loudmouth, but I'll know I'm finished when the FCC sends me an NAL for saying what I did...fortunately, it wasn't over an unlicensed broadcast transmitter, so I am not too worried about it.
We fought The American Revolution against the most powerful empire in the world. Our cause for
freedom won the hearts of the English people, Parliament, and the King.
This battle of Radio For The People can be won too because it is winning the hearts of people in
the government. Let them be on our side.
I do understand your anger though because KENC was hurting no one. Perhaps , Ken Cartwright
could be allowed to broadcast as some sort of low power AM experiment. We need to look into this
freedom won the hearts of the English people, Parliament, and the King.
This battle of Radio For The People can be won too because it is winning the hearts of people in
the government. Let them be on our side.
I do understand your anger though because KENC was hurting no one. Perhaps , Ken Cartwright
could be allowed to broadcast as some sort of low power AM experiment. We need to look into this
Ken Cartwright seems to be a people person. He made a low power AM station popular in a community
saturated with FM signals. A frequency search reveals no low power channels available there under current FCC rules.
The FCC attention to this broadcaster came because of his popularity and publicity. A newspaper reporter
should have said he was using a FCC Type Certified Rangemaster. But instead the paper reported he had
a half watt. The half watt story was then reported on a short wave radio program that reports pirate
activity. Ken was described as a brazen pirate.
The FCC agent followed the rules and he did hold off for 2 days after a much publicized on air wedding.
I think this broadcaster was serving the public interest and this could be a good test case for low power AM.
We need to ask the FCC to remove the restriction on ground wire length. 1/20 of a watt won't
hurt anything especially with a type certified transmitter. That low power won't make it to the
ionosphere.
Now, guys help me with the merits of this case and we will file a Petition For Rulemaking to modify
Part 15 concerning ground length on the AM band. This guy thought he was legal.
saturated with FM signals. A frequency search reveals no low power channels available there under current FCC rules.
The FCC attention to this broadcaster came because of his popularity and publicity. A newspaper reporter
should have said he was using a FCC Type Certified Rangemaster. But instead the paper reported he had
a half watt. The half watt story was then reported on a short wave radio program that reports pirate
activity. Ken was described as a brazen pirate.
The FCC agent followed the rules and he did hold off for 2 days after a much publicized on air wedding.
I think this broadcaster was serving the public interest and this could be a good test case for low power AM.
We need to ask the FCC to remove the restriction on ground wire length. 1/20 of a watt won't
hurt anything especially with a type certified transmitter. That low power won't make it to the
ionosphere.
Now, guys help me with the merits of this case and we will file a Petition For Rulemaking to modify
Part 15 concerning ground length on the AM band. This guy thought he was legal.
Hmm 25 mW vs. what? 1kW? if a 1kW station can't compete with a 25 mW station then i'm with the above poster. they should call it a day or join forces with the local guy.
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FreddyE1977
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Flying-Dutchman said:
I believe that was around the same time that the Government feared the judge in the Radio Free Berkeley case might come down on the side of the pirates. They then began the LPFM program (such as it is), but wanted to discourage others from pursuing this same tactic. Apparently it was enough to get the Berkeley case off the table. It convinced the judge that there was another avenue available for community broadcasters. Will be interesting to watch if a future case comes up.
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carlvanorden
Guest
The LPFM idea was a joke; the licences all went to (and still are) non-com churches. Of the few LPFM's that went to people other than churches, most are rebroadcasting churches. Anyone broadcasting low power AM seems to be a culprit no matter what they do. Are we a target?......I don't really think so, but it seems that way the way this all is reported.
There is no real reason why people, who are not churches, or organizations can not get on the air, AM or FM on low power. Heck, we have so many translators now rebroadcasting the same stuff that it to me seems useless, or over done.
Turn the dial and listen to the same radio station over and over, different transmitters, same program. This is customer service? This is what the FCC considers to be catering to broadcasters and listeners? This is a major league joke.
Part 15 is the way to go.........and I wanted to apply for a LPFM (LPAM could be done, but, gee, why do that?????)........just make sure you are not on top of a commercial licence, or next to it with your part 15's.....Getting fined for your part 15 broadcasts????????....sounds like another tax on the poor.
My opinion
There is no real reason why people, who are not churches, or organizations can not get on the air, AM or FM on low power. Heck, we have so many translators now rebroadcasting the same stuff that it to me seems useless, or over done.
Turn the dial and listen to the same radio station over and over, different transmitters, same program. This is customer service? This is what the FCC considers to be catering to broadcasters and listeners? This is a major league joke.
Part 15 is the way to go.........and I wanted to apply for a LPFM (LPAM could be done, but, gee, why do that?????)........just make sure you are not on top of a commercial licence, or next to it with your part 15's.....Getting fined for your part 15 broadcasts????????....sounds like another tax on the poor.
My opinion
LibertyNT said:
Under 15.219(b), a fully legal Part 15 AM (3-m vertical antenna with its base at earth level) might generate a groundwave field of about 1 millivolt/meter at a distance of about 100 meters from the antenna.
In some geographic areas a field of about 0.2 millivolts/meter can provide a listenable signal to good receivers.
So with about 5 times the signal strength, a Part 15 station with a 1 millivolt/meter field at 100 meters could interfere with a distant station having a 0.2 millivolt/meter field there that was one channel higher or lower than the Part 15.
Of course if they were on the same frequency then the Part 15 would prevent any useful reception of a signal only 1/5 as strong as it was.
RF
Edit: Changed all units to millivolts/meter
Flying-Dutchman said:
it is now referred to "the ried exemption" by licensed broadcasters
Dr_Johnnie_Fever said:Flying-Dutchman said:
it is now referred to "the ried exemption" by licensed broadcasters
I think the FCC just denied the STA renewal...Radio Goldfield pulled the application for an LPFM CP on their own.
On two other threads, I used the formula below to calculate the radiated power from an electrically-short vertical monopole over ground when the electric field intensity at a given distance from the antenna is measured.
Pr = 1.111(10^-11)[(Ed)^2], where
Pr is the radiated power in mW,
E is the field strength in uV/m, and
d is the distance from the antenna in meters.
In the NOUO issued to Ken Cartwright that is the subject of this thread, the field strength was 4,000 uV/m at 137 m. Plugging these numbers into the formula gives a radiated power of 3.34 mW.
Pr = 1.111(10^-11)[(Ed)^2], where
Pr is the radiated power in mW,
E is the field strength in uV/m, and
d is the distance from the antenna in meters.
In the NOUO issued to Ken Cartwright that is the subject of this thread, the field strength was 4,000 uV/m at 137 m. Plugging these numbers into the formula gives a radiated power of 3.34 mW.
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