Where is it? KISS-FM? Are u kidding me? I just moved here from Atlanta. We have Q-100, which i think is one of the best CHR sounding stations in the nation. Of course ratings proove otherwise, but they are on the rise. In anycase, I am shocked the 3rd largest city in the country doesn't have a Z100 NY or Q100 ATL sounding station? KISS is WAY to rythmic and hardly plays any of the current rock that's starting to dominate the charts. And what's with the white boy dj's sounding ghetto?? Club KISS? Sick of the hip hop. I miss REAL mixshows. House music, remixes, and progressive. Where's that in Chicago?
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CHR in Chicago?
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alex4490
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Apperently Kiss Chicago is trying to change things up, but on April Fools, Chris Kelly went Energy 103 for 40 minutes, (if you heard anything about that) from ALL ACCESSS. Is this what could happen for Kiss? But I believe the best chr stations is WFLZ.
FM Boy said:
It became Energy 92-7 & 5 (now Nine FM) in January of 2001 special thanks to 103.5 taking the Kiss name. 92 KISS FM was everything a CHR should have been. Live 24/7, balanced playlist, DJs who weren't trying to sound ghetto, etc. 103.5 started out pretty good (except it started out almost all voice tracked) It was striving to be different from B96 but I guess they are now in the "if you can't beat them, join them" phase. Same thing happened back in the day with WYTZ (now WZZN) However, what they got on there now seems to be doing better for them ratingswise.
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Hamp
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Not everything that is Hip-Hop is Top 40!!! Granted there is a lot more crossover, but that doesn't mean EVERY single hip-hop song is on the top 40 charts. What about artists such as: Paula Deanda, Mario Vasquez, Gym Class Heroes, etc. None of these artists are Hip-Hop artists and they are still being played on top 40 radio.
I don't think he meant that what is being produced is Top 40 per se.
Rhythmic CHR is really becoming more mainstream. Meaning that the format/type of music is being more generally accepted by the public as popular music. In a lot of markets the Rhythmic CHR way outperforms the mainstream.
Also, it does make a lot of sense for Kiss to lean rhythmic. While not part of John Gehron's original plan, it seems to have really hit it's stride and start to give B96 a serious run for the money. Chicago is a rhythmic town. Mainstream CHR's will reflect what is weak/popular and what the market leans. Right now the rock music that's coming out is relatively crappy, i.e. formula rock artists like Daughtry, Nickelback, Panic! At the Disco. If I have to hear one more emo song I'll shoot myself.
Rhythmic CHR is really becoming more mainstream. Meaning that the format/type of music is being more generally accepted by the public as popular music. In a lot of markets the Rhythmic CHR way outperforms the mainstream.
Also, it does make a lot of sense for Kiss to lean rhythmic. While not part of John Gehron's original plan, it seems to have really hit it's stride and start to give B96 a serious run for the money. Chicago is a rhythmic town. Mainstream CHR's will reflect what is weak/popular and what the market leans. Right now the rock music that's coming out is relatively crappy, i.e. formula rock artists like Daughtry, Nickelback, Panic! At the Disco. If I have to hear one more emo song I'll shoot myself.
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Countrykev said:
Country Kev is on it.. Add to that.....The "Donut" effect is a strong indicator of where and who listen to the various types of CHR... A mainstream will see zip codes on diaries in the suburban areas far more than the heart of the major city (which naturally lean to ryh/chr)....The longing for CHR in its old top-40 packaging is gone from the 'mass-appeal' days and only seems to work in the above mentioned donut geography, under the format heading of Pop/CHR, Hot/AC or Adult/CHR...... 
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skippertthomas said:Country Kev is on it.. Add to that.....The "Donut" effect is a strong indicator of where and who listen to the various types of CHR... A mainstream will see zip codes on diaries in the suburban areas far more than the heart of the major city (which naturally lean to ryh/chr)....The longing for CHR in its old top-40 packaging is gone from the 'mass-appeal' days and only seems to work in the above mentioned donut geography, under the format heading of Pop/CHR, Hot/AC or Adult/CHR......
Which is what WTMX is, a "donut" Hot AC station that appeals more to suburban young women than they ever will to city dwellers. But, they are sounding a bit more "traditionally" mainstream, but of course without the rap and most hip-hop songs.
Thanks Pete.. I am honored you think in the same relm.. I see the WTMX style of Hot/AC-Adult CHR being a patern for high cume stations in Medium and Small Regional Arbitron markets.. Then, if they want to work on the 12 to 25's they can do that in the 7 to midnight and overnight dayparts.. If done right, there are many medium and smaller markets that can sell cume and healthy quarter hour shares within their metros (adi's with a bigger signal) and have a spread from the 25 to 44 core to the fringe on the secondary cores of 12-24 and 45 to 54 (female based).... I've got a friend in a town that is starting to position their female 60% / male 40% mix of audience that way... And as their Rhy/Chr competition goes more automated and loses good processing in the signal, they stand to blow up and on by that Class "B" within a year or two.. Got to stick to their guns in those smaller places, as loyalty is more evident than in the multi-niched markets... Just and observation from the trenches.... 8)
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markoni
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True Top 40, or as some call it CHR (C) Radio & Records, involves teens and 18-24s and their music of choice is... hip hop! Remove the young people from top 40 and you've got... AC.
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PirateRadio
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So, ALL the kiddies just wanna hear HipHop ? What happend with all the other great non-hiphop songs coming out right now? That's no Top40/CHR material ? ???
As I had mentioned above, at least in Chicago, the short answer is yes. For the most part, anyway...
I have to differ on some definition of the term CHR... We find that the "Teen" stereotype is just that... We (at the companies I worked for) always defined CHR as formatic approach over a target demographic.. You will see that the majority of CHR's in the 80's and 90's always sold on the fact that they were core 18-34 day and went for the teens at night... Even back to the 60's and 70's teens were never the focus of anything before the 3m daypart in that early CHR/Top-40 craze.... From small to medium and the larger markets, we never looked at the 12-17's as a core, until 6 or 7m.... WSTO in Owensboro/Evansville went as far as to always tote the format as CHR to the radio charts and industry...BUT, all their sales materials were listing them as HOT/AC.... They tried to run from their 50+ shares of teens at night and domination with them 6:am to 12:am with the advertisers.....They always presented their teens in individual packages to the cola companies and others interested teen oriented businesses....
m daypart in that early CHR/Top-40 craze.... From small to medium and the larger markets, we never looked at the 12-17's as a core, until 6 or 7m.... WSTO in Owensboro/Evansville went as far as to always tote the format as CHR to the radio charts and industry...BUT, all their sales materials were listing them as HOT/AC.... They tried to run from their 50+ shares of teens at night and domination with them 6:am to 12:am with the advertisers.....They always presented their teens in individual packages to the cola companies and others interested teen oriented businesses.... CHR/Pop hasn't been a mass-appeal format since the early nineties, as numerous articles in BB & R&R have pointed out over the past fifteen years.
Once the nation's adults & baby-boomers started bailing out of the CHR/Pop format in the late eighties, a trend started by KIIS's overreaction to KPWR here in LA in 1987, and which was copied in market after market throughout the nineties and continues today, CHR/Pop narrowed its target demo substantially, and the results suprised nobody.
The arrival of 'Smooth Jazz' pioneer KTWV in LA in 1987, combined with the explosion of country radio (with Garth Brooks) in 1989, led to the abandonment of the format en masse, as millions of soccer moms bailed out of the format, horrified by the presence of vulgar music which they couldn't tolerate, and sure as hell didn't want their VERY impressionable kids to hear.
Today's Hot AC (or Adult Top 40 or Adult/CHR) format has by default become the mass-appeal format what CHR/Pop used to be, and that is certainly the case today, although the format continues to be plagued by an overreliance on research and very tiny libraries.
You shouldn't be surprised that Clear Channel's CHR/Pop stations lean rhythmic, as does the format itself; just look at the top 30/40 songs on both charts, and you'll see for yourself.
Once the nation's adults & baby-boomers started bailing out of the CHR/Pop format in the late eighties, a trend started by KIIS's overreaction to KPWR here in LA in 1987, and which was copied in market after market throughout the nineties and continues today, CHR/Pop narrowed its target demo substantially, and the results suprised nobody.
The arrival of 'Smooth Jazz' pioneer KTWV in LA in 1987, combined with the explosion of country radio (with Garth Brooks) in 1989, led to the abandonment of the format en masse, as millions of soccer moms bailed out of the format, horrified by the presence of vulgar music which they couldn't tolerate, and sure as hell didn't want their VERY impressionable kids to hear.
Today's Hot AC (or Adult Top 40 or Adult/CHR) format has by default become the mass-appeal format what CHR/Pop used to be, and that is certainly the case today, although the format continues to be plagued by an overreliance on research and very tiny libraries.
You shouldn't be surprised that Clear Channel's CHR/Pop stations lean rhythmic, as does the format itself; just look at the top 30/40 songs on both charts, and you'll see for yourself.
Marv.LA. has it down, very well...Agree? I do... ;D
Marv-L.A. said:
When CHR made its return in the late 90s, it was a mass appeal format. When WXSS in Milwaukee launched in June of 1998 you could hear anything from AC songs from artists like Celine Dion ("Its All Coming Back To My Now" was the first song I ever heard on 103.7 KISS FM), Hot AC (Blues Traveler, Smash Mouth, Goo Goo Dolls, Spin Doctors) Alternative (Smashing Pumpkins, Live, Beck, Red Hot Chili Peppers), Hip Hop/R&B (Coolio, Will Smith, Next, TLC, Monifah, Pras), Pop (Spice Girls, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Jennifer Paige), Dance (Dee Lite, Real McCoy, C+C Music Factory, La Bouche) and 80s music to top it off (Soft Cell, John Mellencamp, etc)
Same thing goes for most any other CHR of the time.
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