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Chris Krok

Thanks for the estimate, Mike. I've heard that radio pay is low, but relocating for only about $40K? Wow.

I just heard a little of Krok. He sounds like a dullard attempting a Sam Kinison impression.
 
Wanted to comment on the earlier comment about Mike Shannon "not really being employed in the radio industry anymore."

Many talented, capable people, who would (given the opportunity) do outstanding work, are (through no
fault of their own) no longer in the business. It's a commentary on the state of the radio industry, not on the individuals.
 
dfaulkner said:
Wanted to comment on the earlier comment about Mike Shannon "not really being employed in the radio industry anymore."

Many talented, capable people, who would (given the opportunity) do outstanding work, are (through no
fault of their own) no longer in the business. It's a commentary on the state of the radio industry, not on the individuals.
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Oh please. I don't know anybody who wants to work in radio that can't find a job. Maybe not at the rate of pay they 'think' they're worth (or were once worth), but if you can't find a job, it's probably more a comment on the person, their inflated self worth, or their interviewing skills/personality, more than a statement on the industry...
 
Why is this even a thread? The guy took a job on KLIF AM... it's not like it actually matters or that anyone will even listen... it's just a KROK... ;D
 
little1 said:
Oh please. I don't know anybody who wants to work in radio that can't find a job. Maybe not at the rate of pay they 'think' they're worth (or were once worth), but if you can't find a job, it's probably more a comment on the person, their inflated self worth, or their interviewing skills/personality, more than a statement on the industry...
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I just love your apples-to-apples, one-size-fits-all approach. So if a chef at the Mansion on Turtle Creek gets fired, he/she should be elated about taking a job at McDonald's. Hey, it's still the food industry, right? L1, I don't wish any ill-will against you, but hopefully at some point in your life, you'll have a humbling event that will bring your ego back down to normal levels, and will have your self-worth and place in the world challenged and compromised. I think the big problem here is that you just don't understand. You haven't lived it. Since you're in radio, pal, that time WILL come. It's not a question of if...but when.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
I just love your apples-to-apples, one-size-fits-all approach. So if a chef at the Mansion on Turtle Creek gets fired, he/she should be elated about taking a job at McDonald's. Hey, it's still the food industry, right?
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Elated? no. But I guess it depends on what you think your job, or your industry is. I work in radio. I'm not an enterpeneur that does radio part time, I'm not waiting for another industry to get big, I work in radio. If I lose a job, I'm going to find another in job IN RADIO. (After all, being in radio basically means I have no other marketable skills :D)

Look at Greg Williams. Should he be elated at taking podunk money from that car guy? No, but if you're choice is podunk money or no money at all from the radio industry, I think I might take podunk money.

In your case, you said Traffic's offer to you was way too low. Well, welcome to capitalism. Welcome to the law of supply and demand. Your self-worth obviously doesn't match up to what they were willing to pay these days.

Maybe that's a statement about the low pay in this industry for certain jobs. And maybe it's a statement about the difference between what YOU think you're worth and what people in hiring positions think you're worth.

So you didn't take a low ball offer. And you know what that's gotten you? More time out of the industry and another person with experience that is fighting with you for the next job.

And Mike, i understand. I've been downsized twice in the last 10 years. But I took jobs making less than I once did rather than sit on the beach. Because this is what I do. I work in radio. Not part time, not as a hobby. This is how I pay my bills...
 
Re: Chris Krok - I will NOT be tuning in

No offense to Chris Krok or any of his fans, but I absolutely WILL NOT be tuning in to KLIF in the afternoons anymore. I was and continue to be a loyal fan of The Wells Report. I can not think of anyone who did more to keep people enlightened about the things that are going on locally and nationally while still injecting some much needed humor. I know that I am not alone in my feelings on this as most of my friends used to listen to J.D. on KLIF and have decided to tune out in the afternoons in protest of their decision to remove the Wells Report.
 
little1 said:
And Mike, i understand. I've been downsized twice in the last 10 years. But I took jobs making less than I once did rather than sit on the beach. Because this is what I do. I work in radio. Not part time, not as a hobby. This is how I pay my bills...
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Wow, I think I detected some compassion in your words! Sure, I get it, I know what the score is these days, and I know that with my still-limited radio background, I'll eventually end up in another industry. I'm not that worried about it. I "did" radio. It was great. Wish it could have lasted longer, but c'est la vie. Nah, the deal with Metro was a LOT of things...turns out the money wasn't that much less, but they lowballed a buddy of mine during the face-to-face interview just to run him off--and I thought THAT offer was the going rate (33% vs perhaps 20%.) But that whole situation, along with the CBS connection, along with having to do 4X the work I did at T.com, along with being mistreated myself while attempting to make the transition over there...unemployment benefits are more solid and secure than a company that's teetering on bankruptcy and just doesn't "get" the quality control part of the business. But I digress...

And it's really not about the money. But, like everyone else, I have to make X amount just to pay bills. I could get by on $30K if I had to, but even that's a tough find in radio these days.

Really, the time off has been invigorating. This is the first real break I've had in six years. I was so caught up in the old job that I wasn't taking vacation or time off or anything.
 
I think 40k is probably a bit of hyperbole. I would say likely something around 60k plus 100 dollar a remote plus a chance to make a few bucks reading live spots for companies you "believe" in like places to fix your foundation then off to lease a car and afterward have lasik or maybe even a place to bury your folks or in KLIF's case, your spouse.

I'm sorry but reading JDW's initial goodbye post thanking the sponsors I thought 1) you need to give the phone numbers at least twice and 2) I think Humble Billy thanked essentially the same ten people a decade ago..along with Joe Kelley, David Gold, Kevin McCarthy etc...
 
I can tell you having worked and programmed in Dallas (now in another market) that I'm sure the 60k number isn't that far off. What's really said here is that a guy like JD, who did everything that was asked of him for 3 years, get's blown out and blamed for low ratings on a radio station that's been in the toilet for 15+ years. No offense to Krok, but unless management at KLIF gets a real plan and sticks with it for more than a trend, he too will join a list of people that came to KLIF and failed, only to do well at their next gig. That should tell everyone one thing: The problem at KLIF isn't the talent.
 
little1 said:
Oh please. I don't know anybody who wants to work in radio that can't find a job. Maybe not at the rate of pay they 'think' they're worth (or were once worth), but if you can't find a job, it's probably more a comment on the person, their inflated self worth, or their interviewing skills/personality, more than a statement on the industry...
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Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how the industry has changed in the past five, ten, fifteen years? Just look at what has happened in the D/FW market in the past year. Between consolidation and the advent of voice-tracking, there are barely a fraction of the jobs that were available in the 90s. Good luck even finding a weekend gig, unless you're applying at mom-and-pop's rimshot for minimum wage.

Virtually the entire radio industry is now controlled by a handful of companies, and they're not looking for skilled personalities. Any hiring they're doing is either on an entry-level basis or involving an in-house promotion (see this thread). I can name you a half-dozen veteran radio people who can't get work in the industry, including myself, and none of them have issues with self-worth, interviewing skills or personality. It's far more likely to be over-qualification or the unwillingness to work for an unlivable wage. My guess is you, being currently employed, don't know too many people with families who are willing to put themselves in debt just to stay in an industry that isn't exactly in a growth spurt right now. It's not an issue of the "rate of pay they think they're worth"; it's the rate we can afford to work for.

Little1, most of your posts are through the uprights. You were wide right on this one.
 
bdabagia said:
little1 said:
Oh please. I don't know anybody who wants to work in radio that can't find a job. Maybe not at the rate of pay they 'think' they're worth (or were once worth), but if you can't find a job, it's probably more a comment on the person, their inflated self worth, or their interviewing skills/personality, more than a statement on the industry...
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Are you kidding? Do you have any idea how the industry has changed in the past five, ten, fifteen years? Just look at what has happened in the D/FW market in the past year. Between consolidation and the advent of voice-tracking, there are barely a fraction of the jobs that were available in the 90s. Good luck even finding a weekend gig, unless you're applying at mom-and-pop's rimshot for minimum wage.

Virtually the entire radio industry is now controlled by a handful of companies, and they're not looking for skilled personalities. Any hiring they're doing is either on an entry-level basis or involving an in-house promotion (see this thread). I can name you a half-dozen veteran radio people who can't get work in the industry, including myself, and none of them have issues with self-worth, interviewing skills or personality. It's far more likely to be over-qualification or the unwillingness to work for an unlivable wage. My guess is you, being currently employed, don't know too many people with families who are willing to put themselves in debt just to stay in an industry that isn't exactly in a growth spurt right now. It's not an issue of the "rate of pay they think they're worth"; it's the rate we can afford to work for.

Little1, most of your posts are through the uprights. You were wide right on this one.
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Through the uprights!?! Are you kidding me? The only thing Little1 does is bitch and argue.
 
rschultz2005 said:
To the geniuses at KLIF - AM...you get rid of a right wing, neo con, talk talent...to put in a right wing, neo con, talk semi-talent??? Brain trust at Cumulus strikes again.

Note to the KLIF think tank....people don't want anger and hate speech rhetoric as they motor on home. A little is good, blend in some entertainment and you have fairly palatable afternoon drive. May I suggest you stream WLS and Roe Conn some afternoon....he's not perfect but a heck of lot better than what you are shoveling out to these poor folks here in Dallas.
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Schultz,

I think Dallas had a Lefty radio station a while back, 13 something on the AM dial. I tuned in a few times as much as I could stand it, and a few months ago I tuned in only to hear the station is now some sort of All Spanish All The Time Latino Pop or something like that. Seems to me that if the citizens of Dallas wanted to hear the left they would not be off the air so soon! Just my two cents.

I am going to miss JD, but I can certainly think of worse replacements than Krok.
 
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