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Chuck Brinkman out in Dallas

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Long time Pittsburgh air personality was let go on Wednesday Dec 28 from KLUV in Dallas. Chuck was the pd for a long time before giving up the title when Ron Chapman came over. Chuck had been at KLUV for 17 years.
 
> Long time Pittsburgh air personality was let go on Wednesday
> Dec 28 from KLUV in Dallas. Chuck was the pd for a long time
> before giving up the title when Ron Chapman came over. Chuck
> had been at KLUV for 17 years.

Nice. Boy, Infinity/CBS Radio sure has an interesting way of wishing accomplished, veteran radio talent a Happy New Year.

Ever notice how CBS managers hardly ever get fired?
 
> > Long time Pittsburgh air personality was let go on
> Wednesday
> > Dec 28 from KLUV in Dallas. Chuck was the pd for a long
> time
> > before giving up the title when Ron Chapman came over.
> Chuck
> > had been at KLUV for 17 years.
>
> Nice. Boy, Infinity/CBS Radio sure has an interesting way
> of wishing accomplished, veteran radio talent a Happy New
> Year.
>
> Ever notice how CBS managers hardly ever get fired?

They could at least have given Brinkman the option of making a voluntary retirement announcement. At his age (he must be close to 65), and with all he's done over the span of his career, he deserved to have been given the opportunity to leave with more dignity.
 
Chuck Brinkman

Chuck was a manager- he was their PD 'till they brought Peter Z in.

A legend, no doubt. The challenge (as was with CBS-FM) is these guys are getting up there (Chuck is over 70) and the "where were you in '62?" image has been absolutely killing the Oldies format. I don't know how else these stations are supposed to do it (and I understand this was not some spur-of-the- moment unceremonious firing job).
>
> Ever notice how CBS managers hardly ever get fired?
>
 
> They could at least have given Brinkman the option of making
> a voluntary retirement announcement. At his age (he must be
> close to 65), and with all he's done over the span of his
> career, he deserved to have been given the opportunity to
> leave with more dignity.


Maybe they did.

According to a Pittsburgh Press story, Chuck was 35 in 1970, which means he's 70 today.
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> I don't know how else these stations are
> supposed to do it

Then let me tell you "how else".

You give the old guy the opportunity to announce a "voluntary retirement". You call a press conference, and let him make a speech to the press in which he recalls his years with the company, and in which station management praises his long service and gives him a gold watch or some other trinket of rememberance.

That way, the old guy is still gone, but the station management doesn't end up looking like Scrooges, and the old guy gets to retain a little bit of dignity.

That's the kind of thing one learns from experience in more than just one industry.
 
> Maybe they did.

I went over to the Dallas board and read all of the posts there. Nothing said anything one way or the other about whether or not Brinkman was given the option of making a retirement announcement. But, unless his personality is a lot different from what it was when he was working at KQV, I can't imagine him not taking advantage of the opportunity to retire with dignity instead of getting fired. He never struck me as the kind of person who would, if given the choice, select an ignominious firing over a face-saving retirement announcement.

> According to a Pittsburgh Press story, Chuck was 35 in 1970,
> which means he's 70 today.
 
What difference does it make? You're out of a job, out of an income. Who cares how it's spun? And why should an employee be inclined to make it seem like a voluntary departure when you're being shown the door?

About 25 years ago, Marie Torre "retired" from KDKA-TV. The facts were her contract wasn't being renewed. She was, in essence, fired. But both sides made nice and gave her a big on-air sendoff. She moved to NY, didn't find work and wound up back in Pittsburgh, living with friends because she couldn't afford to live on her own. Did the retirement party soften any of that reality? Everybody in the business knew what happened.

If Chuck plans to seek other work, what good is it to have potential employers think he retired?



> > Maybe they did.
>
> I went over to the Dallas board and read all of the posts
> there. Nothing said anything one way or the other about
> whether or not Brinkman was given the option of making a
> retirement announcement. But, unless his personality is a
> lot different from what it was when he was working at KQV, I
> can't imagine him not taking advantage of the opportunity to
> retire with dignity instead of getting fired. He never
> struck me as the kind of person who would, if given the
> choice, select an ignominious firing over a face-saving
> retirement announcement.
>
> > According to a Pittsburgh Press story, Chuck was 35 in
> 1970,
> > which means he's 70 today.
>
 
Chuck Brinkman

The indeed did. And he is at least 70- I know folks close to the situation and they did him right (contrary to what all the radio skeptics would rather believe, this has been in the works since he stepped down as PD this summer).
>
> Maybe they did.
>
> According to a Pittsburgh Press story, Chuck was 35 in 1970,
> which means he's 70 today.
>
 
Chuck Brinkman

Because it gives some another opportunity to spew their jaded, negative views about radio one more time.

You are correct- it is what it is, no "spin" required, one way or the other.


> What difference does it make? You're out of a job, out of an
> income. Who cares how it's spun? And why should an employee
> be inclined to make it seem like a voluntary departure when
> you're being shown the door?
>
> About 25 years ago, Marie Torre "retired" from KDKA-TV. The
> facts were her contract wasn't being renewed. She was, in
> essence, fired. But both sides made nice and gave her a big
> on-air sendoff. She moved to NY, didn't find work and wound
> up back in Pittsburgh, living with friends because she
> couldn't afford to live on her own. Did the retirement party
> soften any of that reality? Everybody in the business knew
> what happened.
>
> If Chuck plans to seek other work, what good is it to have
> potential employers think he retired?
>
>
>
> > > Maybe they did.
> >
> > I went over to the Dallas board and read all of the posts
> > there. Nothing said anything one way or the other about
> > whether or not Brinkman was given the option of making a
> > retirement announcement. But, unless his personality is a
> > lot different from what it was when he was working at KQV,
> I
> > can't imagine him not taking advantage of the opportunity
> to
> > retire with dignity instead of getting fired. He never
> > struck me as the kind of person who would, if given the
> > choice, select an ignominious firing over a face-saving
> > retirement announcement.
> >
> > > According to a Pittsburgh Press story, Chuck was 35 in
> > 1970,
> > > which means he's 70 today.
> >
>
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> Because it gives some another opportunity to spew their
> jaded, negative views about radio one more time.
>

There YOU go again with your childish and jaded, negative views. Taking words we have used about you.

Don't you have ONE original thought?

This post is about Chuck Brinkman, not OldiesCat and how he can "stick it" to me or Radio Realist.

GROW UP! And, get off this city's forum. YOU DON'T BELONG HERE!
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> Because it gives some another opportunity to spew their
> jaded, negative views about radio one more time.

I wonder what that could be a reference to? My opinion on how Brinkman was fired applied to how all of corporate America handles the dismissal of employees. Brinkman's dismissal happened in radio, but similar firings are too common in every industry.

There's no excuse for any industry that has any level of public visibilty to get rid of someone in the manner in which Brinkman was shown the door. Even if he knew in advance that it was coming, it still could have been handled better.

The man deserved to have his dignity respected, not dishonored.

> You are correct- it is what it is, no "spin" required, one
> way or the other.
>
>
> > What difference does it make? You're out of a job, out of
> an
> > income. Who cares how it's spun? And why should an
> employee
> > be inclined to make it seem like a voluntary departure
> when
> > you're being shown the door?
> >
> > About 25 years ago, Marie Torre "retired" from KDKA-TV.
> The
> > facts were her contract wasn't being renewed. She was, in
> > essence, fired. But both sides made nice and gave her a
> big
> > on-air sendoff. She moved to NY, didn't find work and
> wound
> > up back in Pittsburgh, living with friends because she
> > couldn't afford to live on her own. Did the retirement
> party
> > soften any of that reality? Everybody in the business knew
>
> > what happened.
> >
> > If Chuck plans to seek other work, what good is it to have
>
> > potential employers think he retired?
> >
> >
> >
> > > > Maybe they did.
> > >
> > > I went over to the Dallas board and read all of the
> posts
> > > there. Nothing said anything one way or the other about
> > > whether or not Brinkman was given the option of making a
>
> > > retirement announcement. But, unless his personality is
> a
> > > lot different from what it was when he was working at
> KQV,
> > I
> > > can't imagine him not taking advantage of the
> opportunity
> > to
> > > retire with dignity instead of getting fired. He never
> > > struck me as the kind of person who would, if given the
> > > choice, select an ignominious firing over a face-saving
> > > retirement announcement.
> > >
> > > > According to a Pittsburgh Press story, Chuck was 35 in
>
> > > 1970,
> > > > which means he's 70 today.
> > >
> >
>
 
like I said

so, so predictable <LOL>

> Because it gives some another opportunity to spew their
> jaded, negative views about radio one more time.
>
> You are correct- it is what it is, no "spin" required, one
> way or the other.
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> > Because it gives some another opportunity to spew their
> > jaded, negative views about radio one more time.
> >
>
> There YOU go again with your childish and jaded, negative
> views. Taking words we have used about you.
>
> Don't you have ONE original thought?
>
> This post is about Chuck Brinkman, not OldiesCat and how he
> can "stick it" to me or Radio Realist.
>
> GROW UP! And, get off this city's forum. YOU DON'T BELONG
> HERE!

However, if we go back to 1970 when Chuck Brinkman was 35 , did those of us in our teens or early twenties say care if Bill Hinds ,as an example, had been fired? Or Hilary Bogden? I doubt it. I remember Chuck was replaced as night guy on KQV by Jim Quinn who really seemed over the top. Jim had a running schtick about ABC wanting him to get a hair-cut. I can't remember if Chuck had left KQV, or was on PM Drive when Quinn came over. AS a boomer child, the old fogey stations like WWSW and their personel held no interest to me whatever. Time just marches on.
>
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> However, if we go back to 1970 when Chuck Brinkman was 35
> , did those of us in our teens or early twenties say care if
> Bill Hinds ,as an example, had been fired? Or Hilary Bogden?
> I doubt it. I remember Chuck was replaced as night guy on
> KQV by Jim Quinn who really seemed over the top. Jim had a
> running schtick about ABC wanting him to get a hair-cut. I
> can't remember if Chuck had left KQV, or was on PM Drive
> when Quinn came over. AS a boomer child, the old fogey
> stations like WWSW and their personel held no interest to me
> whatever. Time just marches on.

I don't doubt for a minute that sympathy for how someone got fired is in direct proportion to life experience, especially experience at being fired/laid off/downsized or otherwise let go. A lack of empathy for others comes with the territory of being a callow youth.

And note, no one has said that it wasn't time for Brinkman to retire. No one has said that it wasn't a good decision by KLUV management to let him go. This has turned into a discussion of HOW long tenure employees should be cast aside, not IF they should be.
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> > However, if we go back to 1970 when Chuck Brinkman was
> 35
> > , did those of us in our teens or early twenties say care
> if
> > Bill Hinds ,as an example, had been fired? Or Hilary
> Bogden?
> > I doubt it. I remember Chuck was replaced as night guy on
> > KQV by Jim Quinn who really seemed over the top. Jim had a
>
> > running schtick about ABC wanting him to get a hair-cut. I
>
> > can't remember if Chuck had left KQV, or was on PM Drive
> > when Quinn came over. AS a boomer child, the old fogey
> > stations like WWSW and their personel held no interest to
> me
> > whatever. Time just marches on.
>
> I don't doubt for a minute that sympathy for how someone got
> fired is in direct proportion to life experience, especially
> experience at being fired/laid off/downsized or otherwise
> let go. A lack of empathy for others comes with the
> territory of being a callow youth.
>
> And note, no one has said that it wasn't time for Brinkman
> to retire. No one has said that it wasn't a good decision by
> KLUV management to let him go. This has turned into a
> discussion of HOW long tenure employees should be cast
> aside, not IF they should be.
>
Right on.
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman ...the real deal

> Long time Pittsburgh air personality was let go on Wednesday
> Dec 28 from KLUV in Dallas. Chuck was the pd for a long time
> before giving up the title when Ron Chapman came over. Chuck
> had been at KLUV for 17 years.
>

Chuck didn't know he was going to be let go - he had concerns
but he wasn't given the opportunity to 'retire'. In fact he
was let go before his air-shift.

Dallas 'let go' a couple of long time employees this year without
any regard to their tenure. One by Clear Channel who was not on
air but had been with the company for almost 27 years. No Goodbyes,
no thank you, nothing. The only one who got to have his Goodbye was
Ron Chapman and that was so they could milk it for advertising dollars.

Too bad. These companies such as CC and CBS want the employees to
be loyal to them, but when they are ready to "go in a different
direction", they forget how loyal some employees have been. The staff
is scared to go to a Goodbye happy hour for fear of hob-nobbing with
dis-gruntled ex-employees so these folks ride off into the sunset like
their tenure never even existed. So much for southern hospitality!
Or I suspect it's like that everywhere now-a-days.
 
Re: Chuck Brinkman

> > And note, no one has said that it wasn't time for Brinkman
>
> > to retire. No one has said that it wasn't a good decision
> by
> > KLUV management to let him go. This has turned into a
> > discussion of HOW long tenure employees should be cast
> > aside, not IF they should be.
> >
> Right on.

I haven't spoken directly to Chuck, but, this has been in the works for some time...even before Ron Chapman was brought in. I'm sure this all was no surprise to Chuck, and, knowing him, he may NOT have wanted to do a big goodbye show, especially since he was never the biggest fan of Chapman, who did just that. Chapman's retirement was the social butterfly event of the season last year in DFW. I could imagine our Chuck doing the opposite just to make a subtle political statement.

And, no one seems to have noticed that one of Brinkman's guys, Pittsburgh's own John Summers (once known as Alfred E. Neumann on B94, and a former WESA and WQTW jock) is Chuck's replacement...not longtime Dallas jock Larry Dixon, who was Chapman's choice.

God love ya, Chuck. You are one of the greats! I had the opportunity to work for Chuck at KLUV, and against him as a competitor in Pittsburgh years ago. Thanks for your friendship!
 
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