I have the debut album, and I believe that that version is on it, as well. Since it was (at least) the third single to come from that album, the feminist claims about the song must be considered hogwash.
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"Cinderella" by Firefall
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I've forgotten where I read it, but I heard "Big Bad John" by Jimmy Dean on WBRF, a classic country station. When I heard it on a standards station, and on WIST, it was "At the bottom of this mine lies a big, big man." This past Friday, it was "At the bottom of this mine lies a helluva man."
There were indeed two edits of that song; I've seen 45 rpm copies with either (Big, Big Man) or (Hell of a Man) in brackets beneath the title on the label. I assume the "big, big man" version was the only one sent out for radio play at that time; stores may have had the option of carrying either or both. My mom had the LP when I was a kid, she herself is gone now (only recently...) and she had gotten rid of all her records years ago...wish I could remember which version was on the album. Among other things...
Relevant to an earlier posting about the Eagles' "Life In The Fast Lane," the store-copy 45's included the "goddam" just as the LP did; anybody out there got an old promo-copy 45 for comparison?
I think I first heard Cinderella on Sirius XM's The Bridge channel about 10 years ago and loved it. I do not remember hearing it where I grew up on Washington DC's Top 40's and AOR's -- WPGC, WRQX, WAVA or WWDC-FM -- back in 1977 or so.
I remember editing "Hurricane" when we added it at WCIB in 2001. There were no "f-bombs", but one "n-word", one "shit", one "son of a bitch" and one "ass". With the exception of the n-word, it would be fairly tame lyrics in 2014.
OK, but you had to edit it then, and you'd still have to do so now.
First song I remember hearing with even a mild undeleted expletive was Spanky & Our Gang's 1968 "Give a Damn." Was there a "Give a Darn" pressed and sent out to more conservative stations for airplay? How about Judy Collins' 1969 "Someday Soon," which had the line "He loves his damned old rodeo.."?
And then there was Steppenwolf's "The Pusher," which I recall was played mainly (if not only) on early FM rockers after midnight.
I remember the station where I worked back in 74 we played off of the Steppenwolf album but the PD had taken a screwdriver and made a huge gouge on that track and also he took a magic marker and wrote"If you play the Pusher you will be looking for a new job before the song is over" as if anybody was going to try with a huge gouge in the track LoL and as a side note other than then using the GD word I never understood why people get so offended by that song because if you get past the GD part and actually listen to the words it's a anti-drug song.
The taking of God's name in vain is a serious matter for many people of Faith.
The first record I remember that had to have the "F-bomb" edited out for radio was "Show Biz Kids" by Steely Dan; ABC-Dunhill, circa 1974. The lyric was "the show business kids are makin' movies of themselves, and they don't give a **** about anybody else." I think they did a "line-item veto" and removed the vocal on the whole second half of that line," leaving just the instro track after "of themselves."
I recall college DJS who wanted to play the long album version trying to do a DIY edit on the fader. They always missed. Today, college DJS still try DIY edits on metal and rap records by using the fader. They always miss. (The more things change.) Maybe a code key patched into the board, just tap it for an instant "beep," might work better??
I recall college DJS who wanted to play the long album version trying to do a DIY edit on the fader. They always missed. Today, college DJS still try DIY edits on metal and rap records by using the fader. They always miss. (The more things change.) Maybe a code key patched into the board, just tap it for an instant "beep," might work better??
Hey Firepoint, Firefall did indeed go to #34 on the charts with "Cinderella" in 1977. After all of the discussion on here and having the group Vinyl Radio sing a great version of "Cinderella" at a music event a few weeks ago to (perhaps) the biggest applause of the night, the song is now playing on Hippie in Nashville in regular rotation. Chris Luckey did a great job of editing it to allow it to seamlessly play without issue. Interesting thing, I didn't recognize the song (by name) when it was first discussed on the board, but once I listened to it, I quickly recalled that it did receive a fair amount of airplay during the rock station battles in Nashville during the late 70s. If I recall correctly, KDF played it quite a bit, because it worked well with the Southern Rock sound, while not being a hard rock song that generally was expected. The song certainly sticks with you and still sounds great! Good call! (Sorry about the delay on posting, just not been on here much lately.)
Same here, Tibbs. I heard it (unedited!) at 6:30 one morning last week. I also heard the live version of "Life in the Fast Lane" (also uncensored) during the noon hour the day before. Rock on!
I remember an alternative station in 1995 playing a Green Day song which I don't remember the name of and they had the F-word and the S-word and didn't care. When I called, the person who answered said they were a private business.
"Closer" by Nine Inch Nails has the F-word, but I don't know why I would know this. They do something that keeps you from hearing it.
"Closer" by Nine Inch Nails has the F-word, but I don't know why I would know this. They do something that keeps you from hearing it.
They weren't confronted with the song. It didn't even chart on the Billboard "Adult Contemporary" chart and barely made the "Hot 100". So, it was ignored.
Like the title had nothing to do with that?
It's important to remember that he never takes God's name in vain at all. He never says "g.d." in the entire piece. However, back in 1969, the term "damn it" was a problem for lots of stations. Couple that with my opinion that the song itself is just "Eh, ok, not great" , although the producers do go for a boisterous Gospel sound that gives it power and its heart is in the right place. It's definitely unique, and when I read the title, I knew I just had to get a copy of it.
You are correct on all counts; of course the title and lyrics made the connection without saying it out loud, which undoubtedly scared off the easy-listening folks. For a fairly corny late-40's/early 50's singer to have made it into the "Hot 100" at all (even #86) at that time, with such an odd piece of material is actually fairly impressive IMHO. Of the pre-rock era male vocalists, only Sinatra was still charting that late; though Perry Como (a favorite) would score several pop hits in the early 70's.
I remember a complaint on the more conservative AC (or THE AC if the other station is called Top 40) station in Charlotte in the 70s when they played "Bad, Bad Leroy Brown".
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