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CITADEL DELISTED ON NYSE

TheBigA said:
As for Chapter 11, it's pretty obvious to anyone that you are seeking vengence, not value for stockholders.

ROFL. "Value for stockholders". BWAH-HA-HA. The stock is at NINE CENTS. WHAT "value for stockholders"? Do you expect that they're going to make a killing on the OTC market?

I'm not seeking vengence. I'm seeking protection for those who are still employed by Citadel - and that number is shrinking every day. I'm also seeking entertaining programming for listeners - and that's also declining every day.

It's over, Bub. Stop delaying the inevitable, suck it up, admit the mistakes, and either restructure or liquidate. All that's happening now is further destruction of the product, and further lining of Farid & Judy's golden nests.
 
SirRoxalot said:
ROFL. "Value for stockholders". BWAH-HA-HA. The stock is at NINE CENTS. WHAT "value for stockholders"?

You have a short memory. I was simply responding to this comment you made earlier:

"Admit the mistake. Declare Chapter 11. The stock is at NINE CENTS. There's no value left for stockholders anyway."

In it, you fein sympathy for stockholders. But you really don't care. You want them to "admit the mistake." You want justice. You want vengence. That's my point.

SirRoxalot said:
I'm not seeking vengence. I'm seeking protection for those who are still employed by Citadel - and that number is shrinking every day. I'm also seeking entertaining programming for listeners - and that's also declining every day.

You think turning them over to a judge and a conservator, those goals will be achieved? Really?
 
Actually, I want Farid & Friends to admit their mistakes. They're the ones who sold the stockholders a bill of goods. The stockholders are already screwed. There's no coming back from nine cents a share. That's not vengance. That's reality. All Farid is doing now is collecting millions of dollars that were earned by other people.

Chapter 11 would likely leave the company as a "debtor in possession", answering to their seven largest creditors instead of a rubber-stamp board. At best, the company would be able to restructure their debt, reducing the amount owed, and maybe get it down to a number that would allow them to continue to operate. At worst, liquidation would put the stations in the hands of people who wouldn't have an overwhelming debt load. They'd be buying at 3-5x multiples, not 12-15x multiples. That would give the new owners a chance to make a go of it, even in the current financial environment.

It's ugly at the street level, and getting uglier. The edicts coming from corporate are like putting an anorexic on a diet. Farid has no credibility. All he's doing is prolonging the agony.
 
It really doesn't matter whose idea it was. They bought them, and they own them. Even if they hadn't bought ANY more stations, their situation wouldn't be a whole lot better.

So seriously, what DOES this mean for Citadel? Presumably once they're delisted, their stock will still be tradable OTC. Or by some other means...you don't have to be on the NYSE to trade your stock. Granted, I can't imagine who in their right mind would buy it after delisting, and no doubt the value will be even worse than it is now (if such a thing is possible...but reverse-splits come to mind). I don't know too much about the mechanics of stocks, but I wonder if current shareholders will just hang on and hope that someday Citadel can be listed on the NYSE (or another comparably-reputable stock exchange) and then sell off to get better value than the current sub-dollar price.

Although I'd imagine that Chapter 11 is probably not far away, and that would wipe out the shareholders, wouldn't it? Regardless of whether or not the stock is delisted.

I suppose the most relevant questions are the ones Rox started addressing:
  • What costs are left to cut at the local level in Citadel, and how painful will those cuts be?
  • Will Citadel sell off more stations...either voluntarily or bankruptcy-court-ordered?

Besides kicking around Farid, I imagine those are the only two questions that really matter on this thread. Despite Citadel's corporate troubles, I have to think that many of their individual stations are still doing okay, if not "well", at the local level. Not EVERY advertiser has run for the hills just yet.
 
Good post. The first thing they have to do is ride out the current situation. That means conserving as much as they can, hold the line on spending, because no one knows how long it will be before the banks will be lending again. The second thing is to find alternative sources for money besides traditional banks. The bad news is that, right now, they all come with huge interest rates. Sirius is paying 20% interest on the half billion it got from DirecTV. But once the situation clears up, they can renegotiate that rate to something more realistic.

Farid is cut from the same cloth as Karmazan. So he's looking for a white knight. Someone with cash who he can make a partnership deal with who can help him cover his short term debt problems. Karmazan made his with DirecTV. So you have to look at who might make a good partner.

How far can they cut? Down to zero. They own ABC Radio, which owns a bunch of 24/7 music formats based in Dallas. http://www.abcradionetworks.com/article.asp?id=341457 These are the old Satellite Music Networks. They deliver radio formats to a few thousand stations already. So the structure is already in place for them to eliminate all local jocks. That's something even Clear Channel can't do.

Selling off assets is hard to do when no one has money. I heard a story that Larry Wilson (former Citadel CEO) was putting together a group of people to get back into station ownership. But let's face it. Even he will be faced with the same problems Farid has, and will have the same choices. None of them are good. Jerry Del Colliano thought that when Sam Zell got back in the game, he might bring a return to the old Jacor. He even hired back his old team. But even Zell wasn't able to save Tribune from the hole.

Back to delisting...yes their stock will be tradable OTC. But until their situation changes, it's price will stay where it is. There are lots of traders who enjoy 20% gains when a stock jumps a penny. Sirius solved their short term problem, and their stock is still at 16 cents. That's twice what it was, but they're no where near getting back on the NYSE. So this is a long term situation. But even blue chips like General Electric lost 80% of their value. Warren Buffett is apologizing to his clients. All the biggest geniuses in the world don't know what to do.

Chapter 11 wipes out everyone. And I'm not sure how the ABC/Morris Trust would be affected. Right now, that part of the package is also driving down Disney stock. He could bankrupt the subsidiary without bankrupting the parent company, thus preserving what's left of Citadel. I'd read that Mel was considering doing that with XM. I don't know what's in his contract with Disney regarding such a plan.

It's easy to run a successful company. Once everything is running, all you do is cash the checks. It's a lot harder to bring one back from the basement. Farid has the knowledge and connections to do it, once the economic environment starts to move. There aren't many other people who they could get who could do a better job at this point.
 
Michael D. Brown had Katrina; Farid Suleman has Citadel. Dubya to Farid, "Soolie, you're doin' a heckuva job!"

-Threadkiller-
 
Good post. The first thing they have to do is ride out the current situation. That means conserving as much as they can, hold the line on spending, because no one knows how long it will be before the banks will be lending again.

That could be a long time, or maybe never. Check out this week's This American Life collaboration with NPR's Planet Money podcast. There's a chilling part towards the end of the first segment where they talk about how the total amount of debt by the American people has reached (quite possibly exceeded) 100% of GDP. The only time that happened previously? The late 1920's...as in, right before the Great Depression. Eek! In other words, there may be no such thing as "the banks lending again" because that's exactly what the problem is...too much lending.

On a related note...seriously? First the incredibly good Global Pool of Money and now this exquisite gem of a show?? Let Alex Blumberg and Adam Davidson run the country...they couldn't do worse, and considering how sharp these pieces are, I'd wager they might do better. Despite my job, my wife generally hates public radio (she doesn't like talk radio in general, save for Wait, Wait Don't Tell Me) and she really hates This American Life; thinks it's too pretentious, and she's a Wesleyan grad (!!!!) ;D

But she not only enjoyed this piece immensely, she shushed me so she could keep listening to it! That NEVER happens. Seriously, check it out...it's a cracking good explanation of where the economy is and how we got into this mess.
 
The February 17th broadcast of Frontline was an equally serious dose of reality. America is in a financial quagmire and the forecast for 2009 is dire. It appears more layoffs are on the way. People are working week-to-week, if not day-to-day. It can't be easy for managers who're looking at their monthlies and getting heat from their bosses. When Warren Buffet writes that the performance of Berkshire Hathaway was down 60% last year, you know there's a problem... a big problem; except maybe iff you're a professional athlete. Free agency is here and it seems NFL owners, especially in major markets, have plenty of cash to throw around. Have you seen the salaries and signing bonuses? What fan can look at those numbers and not feel disgust. More disgust if you've just been laid off.

This brings the question of rights fees to the table. Will local radio stations will have to pay more in order to secure and retain broadcast rights to professional sports teams, especially NFL teams? Consequently, will advertisers, especially the beer and auto companies, shoulder the (higher) advertising rates?

Cities like Green Bay, New Orleans, Kansas City, Buffalo and Cleveland have been especially hard hit by the bad economy. It could be that season ticket sales will be down in many markets, including Buffalo. There could be a number of games that are not sold out. A significant number of games could fall under the television black out and be "radio only" games. As a result, a larger number of fans could be listening to the games on the radio, which might actually justify the higher advertising rates. Is this a scenario wherein the bad economy may have created a windfall for radio stations that broadcast sports? Then again, consumers may not have the money to buy the products that are being advertised. What came first, the chicken or the egg?
 
JustPastBuffalo said:
A significant number of games could fall under the television black out and be "radio only" games. As a result, a larger number of fans could be listening to the games on the radio, which might actually justify the higher advertising rates. Is this a scenario wherein the bad economy may have created a windfall for radio stations that broadcast sports?

Not if the NFL decides it wants to keep all the money for itself, and takes radio broadcasts of football in-house. So if there is a windfall, it all goes to them.
 
aaronread said:
That could be a long time, or maybe never.

The scary thing is that the federal gov't keeps dumping billions of dollars into the banking system, who simply use it to cover their own losses. None of it is going to business.

We have to realize who really drives this economy, and it isn't the government.
 
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