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Citadel

I say one thing about WABC...IMUS hiring. It all started there and frankly had that not happened, this round of Citadel cutbacks might look at lot different. Lets look at some of the on air staff members from the IMUS show...but we all know why they'll never get fired and frankly if that isn't racist, I don't know what is!
 
If Mr. Boyce had any real integrity he would have fought for Gambling. Penny-pincher Boyce should have waged a bitter war for Gambling telling his bosses that Mr. Gambling is a New York icon and legend who has covered some of the most important national stories and interviewed some of the leading politicians in the country. You don't terminate a man with those credentials without a vicious fight. Mr. Boyce it appears quickly capitulated to his corrupt bosses in single-handedly destroying his station with one swoop. My opinion stands. Mr. Boyce is now the most incompetent programming director in the country and I hope he is the next victim of budget cuts. I would be quite pleased to read David Hinckley reporting that Mr. Boyce has been terminated.
 
Wow we got an axe to grind with Mr. Boyce??? I got booted off this board for a heck of a lot less than that. Possibly Phil will weigh in on this, unless he doesn't want to lower himself to the level of this poster. Something in the water out on long-guy-land???

As the other posters have said, you can be sure that the cuts were way over MR Boyce's control, thats one of the great things about a big company....they make the decisions and you get to get your hands dirty and fire people. I feel sorry that these folks are losing their jobs and anyone that has to do the dirty work. :'(


warm590 :)
 
As one of those behind-the-scene workers you want fired, answer me this. Would you rather have 40-50 people fired (FYI there isn't 50 people on the entire WABC staff!) have them get there 2-3 months severence pay and be out on the street or take 1 air personality off the air who will still get paid till the end of their contract.
As someone who has worked very closely with John Gambling since he started at WABC I was sickened to hear he had been fired. I can guarantee that the order came from a lot higher that Phil Boyce. Why would he fire someone he courted and brought here to make the line up better?
Ok so we fire behind-the scene people... an engineer, a board op, a production person, a salesperson.
Who then sells the commercials, who produces it, who runs the board for the air talent, who fixes whatever breaks?
 
Well, it happened faster than I thought it would, but none the less it happened. As I stated a while back in an earlier post, this Imus business has thown the whole station off balance. This Imus deal is the root of all the problems. The price of it all was just irresponsible knowing the house of cards Citadel had become. Unfortunately, his contract is probably carved in granite. It's a damned shame that stupid people have just as much right to station ownership as the intelligent among us. If I was a conspriracy theorist I could be convinced that it was a plot to silence 77. If you can't defeat it, destroy it. I know that only a madman would do this to their own property, and combined with the ridiculous financing that swung this whole deal, I'm not suprised these draconian cuts have taken place. But, where ever has someone in this biz ever blown away a successful franchise as quickly as has Citadel? It must be a new record. I really feel bad for Mr Boyce and I'm sure that he deserves none of the abuse that he has taken in earlier posts on this thread. Now, how does 77 pick up the pieces? I would take Laura live off the bird and put Curtis back on at night. It's just a shame. As for the future of Gambling on the other castaways, there isn't much in the way of other adult stations left in the city.
 
If WOR had any smarts they would admit the error of their ways in firing a legendary icon like Gambling and remove the completely incompetent Joan Hamburg who has had a horrible meaningless career, and give Gambling her slot. They were already smart enough to axe the blather of Hennican and White and give their slot to the talented Steve Malzberg. Someone down there at WOR is smart enough to recognize radio needs true talent and not second-rate incompetent hacks who don't know to do meaningful contributions to the industry like Joan Hamburg. It is a disgrace that someone like Gambling who has covered many important political events throughout his career has been banished from radio, while the inane Hamburg continues to infect the airwaves everyday with her blather about the hottest shoes to wear or what shampoos to buy.
 
Phil Boyce is a great programmer huh?

He isn't a programmer at all, he's nothing more than a scheduler of syndicated programs.
Imus, Limbaugh, Hannity, half of the broadcast day, certainly the most important day parts
are programs that Phil Boyce not only has no control over, he has no imput.

He has a ego bigger than all of the personalities on WABC.

Anyone remember the days when WABC was proudly a top 3 or 5 rated station?
New York's top talker is now in the bottom ten and like Citadel stock will be
dropping further.

Interesting how the blame for returning Imus to the airwaves falls on Citadel brass and
not Boyce. Notice KGO, WLS, KABC either don't carry Imus or in KABC's case carry's
him only in the early morning. Phil Boyce should be blamed for the Imus mistake, he
certainly didn't stand as firm against it as the other Citadel/ABC PD's did.

I'm betting Phil is on the short list of "changes" Farid Suleman is about to make
at WABC.
 
USMale said:
Phil Boyce should be blamed for the Imus mistake, he certainly didn't stand as firm against it as the other Citadel/ABC PD's did.
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Oh, yeah...they'd have really "listened" to him, too! (cough)

(News flash: local PDs often have no say. And signing Imus is unquestionably one of those cases. Welcome to the industry!)
 
How do we know that Boyce did NOT fight for Gambling? After courting him, he most likely would have wanted to keep him on board.
 
LIradiofan226 said:
If WOR had any smarts they would admit the error of their ways in firing a legendary icon like Gambling and remove the completely incompetent Joan Hamburg who has had a horrible meaningless career, and give Gambling her slot. They were already smart enough to axe the blather of Hennican and White and give their slot to the talented Steve Malzberg. Someone down there at WOR is smart enough to recognize radio needs true talent and not second-rate incompetent hacks who don't know to do meaningful contributions to the industry like Joan Hamburg. It is a disgrace that someone like Gambling who has covered many important political events throughout his career has been banished from radio, while the inane Hamburg continues to infect the airwaves everyday with her blather about the hottest shoes to wear or what shampoos to buy.
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Wow you're really on the warpath aren't you? :eek:
 
It's worth noting that this is probably the most discussion people have had about John Gambling in years...
 
I hear that Gambling was courted and hired by former GM Tim McCarthy (current WEPN GM).
 
LIradiofan226 said:
Phil Boyce is a stupid moron. He built ABC into the top talker in New York and now Boyce is destroying it.
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While I'm not a fan of Phil Boyce, I will admit that he probably couldn't do anything about instructions from "Up High". It was a CORPORATE decision to hire Imus. It's a CORPORATE decision to carry infomercials. Boyce is given a space to work with....around the Imus and infomercials.

As far as building WABC into the top talker in New York, I believe that credit goes to John Mainelli and the on-air hirings he made and the lineups he instituted. But to be honest, I don't think even the great Mainelli could have done anything to stop the infomercials creeping up on AM 77.
 
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He isn't a programmer at all, he's nothing more than a scheduler of syndicated programs.
Imus, Limbaugh, Hannity, half of the broadcast day, certainly the most important day parts
are programs that Phil Boyce not only has no control over, he has no imput.
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The word is INPUT you moron. OK let's talk about FACTS. The only show I have no control over is Limbaugh. Imus, Sliwa, Hannity, Levin, Grant...all report to me. Nice try here pal, but gets your facts straight. You could try to criticize me for allowing some of my local shows to be syndicated, but in doing so I doubled the revenue of the radio station. Last time I checked, making money for my company was a thing to be praised, not ridiculed. And let me make one more point. I did not just ALLOW my shows to be syndicated, I did it myself. Those shows still report to me. And I was not kidding. We really did double the revenue of the radio station. That means we doubled the profit too. Sorry, but explain to me how that is a bad thing? [EDIT] He forgot that a PD's most important job is creating programs that make money.

He has a ego bigger than all of the personalities on WABC.
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Why because I don't allow morons and wannabe's to attack me by name on a public message board?

Anyone remember the days when WABC was proudly a top 3 or 5 rated station?
New York's top talker is now in the bottom ten and like Citadel stock will be
dropping further.
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Yes....back in the day.....like last SPRING when we ranked #5 in NYC. Wow, long time ago. The January PPM had WABC ranked #4 in NYC, and I am paying more attention to that now since that is going to be the ratings standard of the future.

Interesting how the blame for returning Imus to the airwaves falls on Citadel brass and
not Boyce. Notice KGO, WLS, KABC either don't carry Imus or in KABC's case carry's
him only in the early morning. Phil Boyce should be blamed for the Imus mistake, he
certainly didn't stand as firm against it as the other Citadel/ABC PD's did.
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What Imus mistake? If Citadel makes more money with Imus than Curtis and Kuby then it is a success. We don't know if that will happen yet, but so far we are trending that way. As for the network, we are now on 36 stations across the country, just landing on True Oldies in Washington DC. We have another big station to announce later this week. From a network perspective, this show is already a hit. But let's get at the obvious point here. Should I have crammed Imus down the throats of those stations that already had successful morning shows? Is that what Rook is suggesting we do here? What a moron. We have placed him on Citadel stations where he made sense. That is just good business....which is something Rook knows little or nothing about.

I'm betting Phil is on the short list of "changes" Farid Suleman is about to make
at WABC.
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No you're not. You are not betting a thing. You are shooting off your mouth on a message board with no skin in the game. [EDIT] Those that can do...those that can't got out of the game a long time ago. Now you are just a sad pea-shooter, taking shots at people who are still putting their necks on the line everyday.


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[EDIT] Oh well, some people are just too old and bitter and that's why they are on the sidelines throwing potshots and giving bad analysis instead of still being in the game.

If I were sitting there freezing in a city that is windy... in my basement, calling names on message boards instead of programming the #1 NewsTalk station in New York, creating shows that earn millions of dollars for my company, and working with the best radio talent in the industry on a daily basis, I'd be bitter too...[EDIT]



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How could anyone love a guy who makes his living by encouraging only one point of view on the PUBLIC airwaves? He could have developed true debate, encouraged creative ideas, but instead he chose to build a fortune on peoples prejudices and ignorance.

Sorry, I have no respect for such a person. Contempt is too tame a word to describe such a low life. I am glad that he is gone from ABC, and to a much smaller audience in Seattle.

Maybe now the station will strive for some balance and real controversy in which more opinions are heard.

I don't know how he was tolerated in such a large market. Most of the people in the CIty are liberal. He probably did make money for them, offering air time to the unwashed dropouts like Hannity himself, an audience that might have been neglected before. This is why the level of appeal of his talent was to such a low level.

Good riddance. The word, fascist comes to mind, but has been so overused that it loses meaning. I would not wish him or anyone the misery that he bestowed on others.

I can only hope that in Seattle he will discover a different formula, but considering all the Aryan brotherhood types running around in Washington state, it might appear that he is running back to his philosophical home.
 
Phil Boyce said:
I'm betting Phil is on the short list of "changes" Farid Suleman is about to make
at WABC.
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No you're not. You are not betting a thing. You are shooting off your mouth on a message board with no skin in the game. [EDIT] Those that can do...those that can't got out of the game a long time ago. Now you are just a sad pea-shooter, taking shots at people who are still putting their necks on the line everyday.
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And that Mr. Boyce is what we call irony. ::)
 
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