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Claire FM

To my ear, this doesn't have the same sound as the verified TA FM DX recorded in 2003 and 2009...but I'm not a regular user of DSP radios such as the Tecsun, and it's hard to tell very much from speaker audio recorded on a camera microphone, if that's what this is. But the fading doesn't sound like typical E-skip fading to me.

At minimum, it's probably worth checking with Clare FM to see if they were indeed broadcasting death notices and the song heard here at the time you were hearing them. In my limited experience listening to local Irish FM recently, the evening hours (and 4 PM CDT would be 10 PM Irish summer time) contain little or no local content - mostly music, liners and network news at the top of the hour. The death notices tended to air in the morning or early afternoon, at least when I was listening.

Here's the thing about E-skip: it has a certain predictability to it. You don't know exactly when it will be there, but when it is, it follows a certain path. In the days of analog TV, when I'd sit in my home office with channel 2 on the TV from May until August, it was almost a given that the first signal to pop in would be either WESH or WPBT from Florida. The openings almost always progressed to the west and then north, and if one station from an area was in, it would be almost absolutely true that the other stations below the MUF (maximum usable frequency) from that same area would be in, too. So if I was seeing channel 3 from Memphis, say, channel 5 would be in as well...and probably 2 and 4 from Little Rock, too.

Which brings us back around to Clare FM. If this path really did exist for you yesterday, then if it were me, I'd be sitting by the radio again today around the same time to see what happens. And if you *do* hear Clare on 95.9, the first thing I'd do would be to try the other frequencies known to be coming from that Woodcock Hill site. Here's a list:

http://www.rte.ie/radio/MW.html

The frequencies you're looking for are in the second row, under "Woodcock Hill." 93.8, if you can hear it, would be especially distinctive - it's the "RnaG" (Raidio na Gaeltachta) service, which is entirely in Irish Gaelic.

If you can hear the Woodcock Hill signals, you should be able to hear the more powerful FMs in the top row from the Maghera site, too.

Luck, as they say, favors the prepared...
 
radioman148 said:
It sure has the fading & drifting aspects of e skip, but who knows?

I suppose there's a possibility what he heard was a pirate -- an unlicensed U.S. station relaying Claire FM. Thing is, the most likely location for such a thing (both ethnically and technically) would be in New England -- and if you had skip to New England to 96.1, I would be 99.9% certain you'd hear more than one skip signal. In Lake Geneva, I'd expect plenty of skip DX-able channels -- I don't think the Milwaukee & Chicago stations & their IBOC would be strong enough to preclude skip loggings on quite a few frequencies.

I checked the Canadian Maritimes, thinking a community station there might possibly have relayed Claire FM, at least briefly. Can't find any though. From Quebec east, there are only three stations on 96.1: a Christian contemporary station in Saint John NB; CBC Radio One on PEI; and CBC Radio Two in Quebec City. I don't *think* any of these stations would relay an Irish station for more than a few seconds. It's also again unlikely you'd have only 96.1 and not any other frequency.

So it continues to seem most likely what you heard was a nearby pirate.
 
I refuse to believe it's trans-Atlantic DX, despite the "sound" & fading patterns. Even though it sounds & acts like sporadic E, I couldn't find any other signals on the band that suggested an Es opening to anywhere.

I also don't think it's an intentional spoof, either. I don't think anyone around here knows that I DX.

There is an apartment complex on one side of me, & the High School is across the street. Both have parking lots where someone with a car FM transmitter, could be looking for a place to park, for example.
 
But what are the odds that some pirate broadcaster or someone with some small FM transmitter would transmit that particular station on that frequency and all the way over here too?

It still sounds like sporadic e to me.
 
Sadly, if it's someone trying to play a hoax, 95.9 is exactly the frequency they'd be using...precisely because it's the frequency listed for Clare FM in several prominent online reference sources. (But, as I've noted, it's not the frequency on which Clare is actually heard by most of its listeners.)

It's also a relatively open channel in much of southern Wisconsin, so it's entirely possible that someone driving from, say, Milwaukee to Chicago might use it as an FM modulator frequency.

I'm with dxer720 on this: while it would be nice to believe that this was in fact TA FM DX, there's lots of circumstantial evidence to suggest that it wasn't, and very little that would suggest that it really was.

(And I'd reiterate that as friendly as Irish radio people are, it should be very, very easy to at least determine whether Clare FM was really broadcasting death notices at the time dxer720 was hearing it. If they weren't, then we know for certain this wasn't really TA DX, and was perhaps someone listening to or rebroadcasting an aircheck. Impossible? Nope...as it happens, I have several hours of Clare FM on my phone right now!)
 
I listened to the YouTube video again but this time with earphones because after the Claire FM fades away, there's another weak station coming in that's definitely American.

In attempting to get some clue as to which station it could be, I noticed something about 2:46 into the video.

I listened to that part many times and it seems the announcer is saying "95 9 The Ranch"?

I then Googled that and found there's a station from Dallas called '959 The Ranch'.

If that's the case, there was certainly e skip going on at that time, albeit from another direction.

I don't know, maybe there was a brief opening in the direction of Ireland? Also, the path from Wisconsin to Ireland would be different than the typical east coast to Ireland transatlantic path so that could explain why there were not other reports at that given time.

The only thing that seems to contradict that is how strong the signal was. It's a mystery for sure.
 
I'm no DX guru, but there's the chance that this was F2 layer skip, and maybe there is no relation to E-skip paths....

It's still mind-boggling to think that this was some pirate, except if it's from a city with an Irish community. There is/was a 104.5 pirate in Miami that was (I think) relaying an actual station or station's Web stream in Jamaica, obviously for the Jamaican community here. If I am not mistaken, one night a Jamaican-oriented pirate was following the Jamaican elections---it was partly local, but then an announcer said, "Now we're going to Power 102." Bizarre....

cd
 
Whatever this was, I don't think it was a pirate, per se...but may have been someone listening to the stream through an FM modulator. I'm still very interested in knowing whether Clare FM was even doing death notices at that hour of the night. If they weren't, then we can definitively rule out even the most remote possibility of any kind of direct live reception from Ireland, whether F2 or E-skip or what have you.

(And F2, if it had been happening, would still have produced 6-meter contacts between the US and Europe, no? Those 6-meter hams don't miss an opening...)
 
I'm no DX guru, but there's the chance that this was F2 layer skip, and maybe there is no relation to E-skip paths....

I thought of that too but then read up on F2 skip.

The highest F2 skip ever goes is analog TV channel 2, well below the FM band.
 
gar fla said:
I'm no DX guru, but there's the chance that this was F2 layer skip, and maybe there is no relation to E-skip paths....

I thought of that too but then read up on F2 skip.

The highest F2 skip ever goes is analog TV channel 2, well below the FM band.

I should have known that. Off to the corner.

cd
 
Actually, the person who wrote that one person faked from LA El Salvador stations, I saw the exact reverse once on the TVFM Skip Log. One person from EL SALVADOR claimed to have gotten KOST 103.5 LA and KTTV TV11 when on analog. Not right, as there was no Es that day up to TV11, wayyyy much less double hop.

-crainbebo
 
You are correct, crainbebo. I'm really off today....back to the corner....again

cd
 
Thanks gar fla. I'd been trying to ID that signal that came in late in the video.

After so many years, my DX acuity must be slipping.

UPDATE: I've emailed Clare FM to see if they indeed broadcast those specific death notices & later, the song I heard. I'm awaiting a reply. Maybe sometime Monday.

I know what I heard, but with my modest receiver/antenna/amp combination, I highly doubt that it could be a signal direct from Ireland. I'd expect that from someone with a high-mounted directional antenna.

I don't get much into Internet streaming. I still can't get into the habit of firing up the computer to listen to the radio.
 
You know the last few days when I've been checking to see if there is any e-skip, I keep seeing reports of EME (earth-moon-earth) on the 2m 144mhz band. Could it be possible that this Clare FM was picked up this way. That would explain the distance.
 
spunker88 said:
You know the last few days when I've been checking to see if there is any e-skip, I keep seeing reports of EME (earth-moon-earth) on the 2m 144mhz band. Could it be possible that this Clare FM was picked up this way. That would explain the distance.

No.

The path losses for EME are VERY VERY large. Amateurs use VERY narrow-bandwidth emission modes to improve the signal-to-noise ratio -- bandwidths measured in Hertz, not KiloHertz.

I suppose you *might* be able to receive broadcast signals via EME with the Arecibo dish. I don't see any way you could do it with an ordinary antenna & receiver.
 
I'm getting way outside my scope of technical knowledge here, so perhaps w9wi can correct me if I'm off on this one, but doesn't ham EME also depend on the use of antennas deliberately aimed upward?

That would be very much unlike an FM broadcast antenna, which concentrates its radiation outward and which is designed to minimize radiation directly upward (or downward).

(And I suppose EME must also depend on the moon being in the right position, visible to both the transmit and receive locations. It would be fairly easy to absolutely disprove the possibility of EME if the moon wasn't in the right spot at the time of dxer720's reception; I'm not sure exactly where to look to find that data.)
 
I got verification of programming email from Clare FM, today.

Here are the emails:

RE: [Technical and Transmission Team] Verifying reception of your station 1
Hide Details

FROM:

Mark Lavan

TO:

[email protected]

Monday, May 9, 2011 3:11 AM
Hi Peter

you sure did :)

Bill Withers Lovely Day - strait to your radio :)

thanks

mark

Mark Lavan
Chief Engineer
Clare FM
Francis Street
Ennis
Co Clare

065 6828888

Clare FM is now available on your iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch.
The Clare FM Free App can be downloaded now from the iTunes store
________________________________________
From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] [[email protected]]
Sent: 07 May 2011 19:03
To: Mark Lavan
Subject: [Technical and Transmission Team] Verifying reception of your station

Peter Atkinosn sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.clare.fm/contact.

Just past 10pm Ireland time on Thursday, May 5,
2011, I believe I heard your station on 95.9 MHz FM from my location..

Reception only lasted a few minutes of varying signal strength.

All I was able to make out were some death notices followed by your station's
website URL & phone number. Music started after that. I believe the song was called "Lovely Day".

A couple of the names in the death notices were: William McGrath, formerly
of ...Shannon & Flowers only, with donations to COPD research. Also Margaret
McNamara. Any other details were not received.

You can see a video of the reception at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I70XfIB_dMY


I'm just wanting to know if Clare FM broadcast these programs at that time,
so I can verify whether or not, I heard your broadcast.

Now we know what I heard, but I still wonder how it got there.
 
dxer720 said:
I got verification of programming email from Clare FM, today.

Here are the emails:

RE: [Technical and Transmission Team] Verifying reception of your station 1
Hide Details

FROM:

Mark Lavan

TO:

[email protected]

Monday, May 9, 2011 3:11 AM
Hi Peter

you sure did :)

Bill Withers Lovely Day - strait to your radio :)

thanks

mark

Mark Lavan
Chief Engineer
Clare FM
Francis Street
Ennis
Co Clare

065 6828888

Clare FM is now available on your iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch.
The Clare FM Free App can be downloaded now from the iTunes store
________________________________________
From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] [[email protected]]
Sent: 07 May 2011 19:03
To: Mark Lavan
Subject: [Technical and Transmission Team] Verifying reception of your station

Peter Atkinosn sent a message using the contact form at
http://www.clare.fm/contact.

Just past 10pm Ireland time on Thursday, May 5,
2011, I believe I heard your station on 95.9 MHz FM from my location..

Reception only lasted a few minutes of varying signal strength.

All I was able to make out were some death notices followed by your station's
website URL & phone number. Music started after that. I believe the song was called "Lovely Day".

A couple of the names in the death notices were: William McGrath, formerly
of ...Shannon & Flowers only, with donations to COPD research. Also Margaret
McNamara. Any other details were not received.

You can see a video of the reception at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I70XfIB_dMY


I'm just wanting to know if Clare FM broadcast these programs at that time,
so I can verify whether or not, I heard your broadcast.

Now we know what I heard, but I still wonder how it got there.

Hmmm,the mystery continues.
 
Well, keep in mind that if a pirate or local FM tx can relay the Web feed, it'll be pretty much "live," maybe max delay of 2-3 minutes. I really REALLY hate to burst any bubbles....I *will* say that most Web feeds aren't near as "crisp" in fidelity as the actual radio feed, FWIW.

cd
 
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